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The Emerald Legion
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu May 25, 2017 5:07 am

Gallia- wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:As the United States determines what is legal, they would be hard pressed to break the law, now wouldn't they?


Not at all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison

When "the government" "breaks the law", it gets that power amended through a process called "judicial review".


The Judicial Branch is a part of the government. So properly stated, your sentence should be "when the employees and officials of the government break the law it gets that power amended through a process called judicial review."

Charnea wrote:So...have you ever heard of this thing called...other countries? International law?


International law exists only when it is in the USA's interests for it to exist. No other country can realistically punish us for any transgressions against it.
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Yortium Allanstan
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Postby Yortium Allanstan » Mon May 29, 2017 6:32 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gallia- wrote:
Not at all?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Morrison

When "the government" "breaks the law", it gets that power amended through a process called "judicial review".


The Judicial Branch is a part of the government. So properly stated, your sentence should be "when the employees and officials of the government break the law it gets that power amended through a process called judicial review."

Charnea wrote:So...have you ever heard of this thing called...other countries? International law?


International law exists only when it is in the USA's interests for it to exist. No other country can realistically punish us for any transgressions against it.


How very Orwellian.

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Postby Arkinesia » Mon May 29, 2017 7:41 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Esternial wrote:I guess such an idea sounds foreign to you.

Why would foreigners have the same rights as an american citizen?

Makes no goddamn sense.

SCOTUS has held, over and over again, that constitutional rights apply to anyone on US soil, regardless of nationality.
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 29, 2017 7:43 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:Why would foreigners have the same rights as an american citizen?

Makes no goddamn sense.

SCOTUS has held, over and over again, that constitutional rights apply to anyone on US soil, regardless of nationality.


Not all of them do if I'm not mistaken. The 2A for example I don't think does.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Mon May 29, 2017 8:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:SCOTUS has held, over and over again, that constitutional rights apply to anyone on US soil, regardless of nationality.


Not all of them do if I'm not mistaken. The 2A for example I don't think does.

I actually think it does, but there are restrictions, which I assume do differ from those that apply to U.S. citizens.

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Postby Napkiraly » Mon May 29, 2017 8:18 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:SCOTUS has held, over and over again, that constitutional rights apply to anyone on US soil, regardless of nationality.


Not all of them do if I'm not mistaken. The 2A for example I don't think does.

Not to mention the big ones like being able to vote in federal elections and stand for certain public offices.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon May 29, 2017 2:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Not all of them do if I'm not mistaken. The 2A for example I don't think does.

Not to mention the big ones like being able to vote in federal elections and stand for certain public offices.

True certain specific rights are different between citizens and non-citizens, there are though those that apply to any who are within US jurisdiction, like the right to a trial, the first amendment stuff, etc.

As a side thing, if a president was elected using fraud, or some other illegal method where the election was close does that mean the vice president, who was also elected using fraud illegal methods becomes the president if the president is impeached?
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