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AntiFA: Protestors or terrorists

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Terrorists
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Rioters
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AntiFA: Protesters or Terrorists?

Postby Chinevion » Mon May 15, 2017 8:43 am

I want to hear your opinion residents of NSG, I think they are a borderline terrorist group, but i can see why other people think differently, So what do you guys think.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 15, 2017 8:46 am

Chinevion wrote:I want to hear your opinion residents of NSG, I think they are a borderline terrorist group, but i can see why other people think differently, So what do you guys think.


What makes them a terrorist group then?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 15, 2017 8:49 am

What if they're terrorists that are protesting?
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Postby Community Values » Mon May 15, 2017 8:51 am

When they protest, they're protesters. When they riot, they're rioters and should be arrested. When things get violent, all sides who engaged in violence, should be arrested.

I don't think they're a terrorist group yet, but if they get more violent, do more terrorist acts etc, then sure.
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Postby Ryock » Mon May 15, 2017 8:51 am

I wouldn't call them terrorists, but they're still a very dangerous group of people.

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Postby Chinevion » Mon May 15, 2017 8:51 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chinevion wrote:I want to hear your opinion residents of NSG, I think they are a borderline terrorist group, but i can see why other people think differently, So what do you guys think.


What makes them a terrorist group then?

THere use of violence to silence: see the forth battle of burkly. They start violence and attempt to use fear to silence others with different beliefs: see the Milo burkly incident.

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Postby Delmonte » Mon May 15, 2017 8:52 am

Well, they're not really a united, governed group. So they can't "be terrorists". But if parts of them engage in terrorist activity and organize it then yes, they are terrorists.

But Antifa doesn't have membership requirements (i.e. I could be Antifa just by saying I am) so you can't say they're all terrorists.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Mon May 15, 2017 8:53 am

According to some, they're literally ISIS.

More seriously, no, they're not terrorists.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon May 15, 2017 8:55 am

In the Netherlands it is getting quite noticeable that it is always Antifa causing trouble and destruction during protests and almost never their opponents like e.g. Pegida....

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Postby Chinevion » Mon May 15, 2017 8:56 am

Delmonte wrote:Well, they're not really a united, governed group. So they can't "be terrorists". But if parts of them engage in terrorist activity and organize it then yes, they are terrorists.

But Antifa doesn't have membership requirements (i.e. I could be Antifa just by saying I am) so you can't say they're all terrorists.

True, I would defiantly say not all of them are violent.

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Postby Tekeristan » Mon May 15, 2017 8:56 am

Too broad and vague to call a terror group.
I'm viewing it as protesters or rioters. The latter should be arrested, the former's rights protected.

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Postby Delmonte » Mon May 15, 2017 8:59 am

Chinevion wrote:
Delmonte wrote:Well, they're not really a united, governed group. So they can't "be terrorists". But if parts of them engage in terrorist activity and organize it then yes, they are terrorists.

But Antifa doesn't have membership requirements (i.e. I could be Antifa just by saying I am) so you can't say they're all terrorists.

True, I would defiantly say not all of them are violent.


Even if they were, it's an issue of self-selection. If all that is required to be a part of a group is to say "I am part of the group." you can't really paint them at all. If there was a wing of ANTIFA's movement that had membership requirements, screened people, had rigid rules, leadership, etc. They could potentially be terrorists/a terrorist group. Because it's more than just self selection.
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Postby Chinevion » Mon May 15, 2017 9:02 am

Delmonte wrote:
Chinevion wrote:True, I would defiantly say not all of them are violent.


Even if they were, it's an issue of self-selection. If all that is required to be a part of a group is to say "I am part of the group." you can't really paint them at all. If there was a wing of ANTIFA's movement that had membership requirements, screened people, had rigid rules, leadership, etc. They could potentially be terrorists/a terrorist group. Because it's more than just self selection.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Mon May 15, 2017 9:07 am

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Postby Crockerland » Mon May 15, 2017 9:23 am

They are terrorists.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon May 15, 2017 9:26 am

Terrorists and wannabe terrorists.

The fact that they have historically fought other terrorists does not excuse them.
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Postby Jovian Socialist Republic » Mon May 15, 2017 9:26 am

Protesters, but if they go around beating up people and being violent, then yes, terrorists.

Technically, terrorism is defined as an act of violence perpetrated because of some agenda, be it political, religious, or something along those lines.
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Postby Edding » Mon May 15, 2017 9:33 am

They probably consider themselves revolutionaries, which would overlap with terrorism a good bit, but they're so hilariously bad at it that we get spectacles like Berkeley.

Eventually, between them A)graduating, B)Getting a job, or C) "Nazis" punching back, their revolutionary operations will come to an end and they will be a footnote in history.

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Postby Sanctissima » Mon May 15, 2017 9:40 am

They're Communists, Anarchists and other radicals.

Be they terrorists or not, they should under no circumstances be tolerated.

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Postby Edding » Mon May 15, 2017 9:47 am

Sanctissima wrote:They're Communists, Anarchists and other radicals.

Be they terrorists or not, they should under no circumstances be tolerated.

Be careful, if we clamp down too hard, we might legitimize their rich white male patriarchal capitalist oligarchy conspiracy theories.

Withhold police action until they become violent and get the local populace well and pissed off, so as to always establish Antifa as the "bad guys".

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Postby Chinevion » Mon May 15, 2017 9:58 am

Edding wrote:They probably consider themselves revolutionaries, which would overlap with terrorism a good bit, but they're so hilariously bad at it that we get spectacles like Berkeley.

Eventually, between them A)graduating, B)Getting a job, or C) "Nazis" punching back, their revolutionary operations will come to an end and they will be a footnote in history.

Agreed, I'm just worried somthing worsewill take their place, meaning less incompetent revolutionaries. I wounded if they will ever realize they are the facists. But nether the less they are not organized per say so I would say they are not terrorists, just general violent jerks.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon May 15, 2017 9:59 am

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Mon May 15, 2017 10:02 am

Conserative Morality wrote:Rioters.


Rioter implies disorganization.

Antifa is barely organized​. But they are organized.
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Postby Republic of China Pacific States » Mon May 15, 2017 10:04 am

Neither.

Just angry, ill informed rioters who like attacking people.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Mon May 15, 2017 10:06 am

It's kinda noticeable how no one has actually mentioned any, you know, terrorist activity they are supposed to have engaged in.
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