Anarchy, they got it wrong?

[Aetheras]

iv just read a discription of a nation in a state of Anarchy, based on what this site says, and to be frank it offends me!

"Citizens live in a state of perpetual fear, as a complete breakdown of social order has led to the rise of order through biker gangs."

being an anarchist communist i gotta say thats incorrect, thats chaos!, anarchism is the beleif government is harmful, unjustified, and that capitalism brings about inequality and is wrong, and should be replaced by what the game defines as a left wing utopia, asides from the elelctions bit

anyone agree? could something like this be made an issue? im not sure since its not a role playing problem but rather a problem with the game of itself

[Lizardiar]

Anarchy means absolutely no government doesn't it?

Left-Wing Utopia is a government.

No government, means no police, hospitals, or anyone that must legally help you. Your on you own in anarchy.

[Chaos Butterflies]

So people turn into happy hippies suddenly when Anarchy becomes a reality? Check out Sudan.

It is no different for any other great government idea. It works well on paper when people are just numbers and statistics.

[Aetheras]

head these words

anarchy does mean no government, but it doesnt mean lack of order or laws, anarchists arnt against police or organisation

[New Ziedrich]

The game's supposed to be all satirical and stuff.

[The Romulan Republic]

So you want the game to redefine anarchy to pander to your specific agenda? Or is there something I'm missing here?

[Lizardiar]

head these words

anarchy does mean no government, but it doesnt mean lack of order or laws, anarchists arnt against police or organisation

But they are part of the government.

[Conserative Morality]

head these words

anarchy does mean no government, but it doesnt mean lack of order or laws, anarchists arnt against police or organisation

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Laws have to be enforced. Who enforces them? Who chooses these people? As soon as you begin to enforce thee law, no matter how loosely, you have created a government.

[Aetheras]

head these words

anarchy does mean no government, but it doesnt mean lack of order or laws, anarchists arnt against police or organisation

But they are part of the government.

they dont have to be, not in an anarchist society

im not saying the game should change for me, i was simply sondering if anyone noticed it, but yes i understand now, its suppost to be satirical i never thought of that, thank

[Aetheras]

head these words

anarchy does mean no government, but it doesnt mean lack of order or laws, anarchists arnt against police or organisation

...

Laws have to be enforced. Who enforces them? Who chooses these people? As soon as you begin to enforce thee law, no matter how loosely, you have created a government.

again no, the police can easily be independent of government, but government, or governors, by the simplist definiton, are law makers, police are law inforcers, in an anarchost society, the people make the laws and vote on them, depending on the need

[The Romulan Republic]

head these words

anarchy does mean no government, but it doesnt mean lack of order or laws, anarchists arnt against police or organisation

So don't mind police and organization, you just don't want it to be called a government?

Government is simply a term applied to any of various systems of social organization and control. You appear to be talking about cosmetic changes only, like changing the name of the system, which simply reinforces my suspicion that fundamentally removing the presence of a system of control is impossible.

[Conserative Morality]

again no, the police can easily be independent of government, but government, or governors, by the simplist definiton, are law makers, police are law inforcers, in an anarchost society, the people make the laws and vote on them, depending on the need

Than that is a pure democracy. Any body that enforces laws is, by it's very definition, a government.

[Aetheras]

again no, the police can easily be independent of government, but government, or governors, by the simplist definiton, are law makers, police are law inforcers, in an anarchost society, the people make the laws and vote on them, depending on the need

Than that is a pure democracy. Any body that enforces laws is, by it's very definition, a government.

the definiton of government is ''The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.''

basically control of laws/policy, not enforcing them, police are not government and would not become the government in an anarchist society, so there a hole in your argument

[The Romulan Republic]

again no, the police can easily be independent of government,

The who oversees the police? Who regulates them, pays their salary, trains and equips them?

but government, or governors, by the simplist definiton, are law makers, police are law inforcers, in an anarchost society, the people make the laws and vote on them, depending on the need

Government by the people is still government.

In any society above a very small number of people, you'll still need people who's job it is to oversee certain aspects of carrying out the laws the people pass. You'll still need regulators, inspectors, trained professionals. In short, even if the people are the Legislative branch, you still need an Executive and a Judicial branch.

[Jenrak]

they dont have to be, not in an anarchist society

The police are managed by an organisation that selects a group of people who are charged with safeguarding the public, managing the well being and production of resources and ensuring the stability and safety of the nation from opposing political ideologies and outward threats. These people, whether not called the government in the anarchist society, is the government, for they now manage the means of controlling the monopoly of violence.

[The Romulan Republic]

the definiton of government is ''The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.''

basically control of laws/policy, not enforcing them, police are not government and would not become the government in an anarchist society, so there a hole in your argument

You're using a definition of government tailored or interpreted to exclude your personal philosophy. Why the semantics? Just say what you believe in, and stop worrying about what label it fits under.

[Conserative Morality]

the definiton of government is ''The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.''

basically control of laws/policy, not enforcing them, police are not government and would not become the government in an anarchist society, so there a hole in your argument

No, a government is:

"A government is the body within an organization that has authority to make and the power to enforce laws, regulations, or rules."

So the police would be part of the government, executive (Enforcing laws), and the people would be the other part, Legislative (making laws)

[Aetheras]

who regulates the police? there not idiots they can organise themselves, as for payment, in an anarchist society there would be no curency, to those according to need, from those according to ability

[Pantera]

the definiton of government is ''The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.''

basically control of laws/policy, not enforcing them, police are not government and would not become the government in an anarchist society, so there a hole in your argument

...what?!

If there is no government to lend legitimacy to law enforcement, they have no power other than their own ability to project violence. You're sinking yourself man.

[Lizardiar]

who regulates the police? there not idiots they can organise themselves, as for payment, in an anarchist society there would be no curency, to those according to need, from those according to ability

So they would do it out of the kindness in their hearts?

[Aetheras]

the definiton of government is ''The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.''

basically control of laws/policy, not enforcing them, police are not government and would not become the government in an anarchist society, so there a hole in your argument

No, a government is:

"A government is the body within an organization that has authority to make and the power to enforce laws, regulations, or rules."

So the police would be part of the government, executive (Enforcing laws), and the people would be the other part, Legislative (making laws)

what im saying is that the people should take over the duties of government, they should make the laws, then the police would inforce them, govern ourselves you see

[Free Soviets]

being an anarchist communist...

what, another one? is there like a big flashing sign that says "yo, anarchos - come play this game where you can pretend to be a dictator!" somewhere?

[Lizardiar]

what im saying is that the people should take over the duties of government, they should make the laws, then the police would inforce them, govern ourselves you see

But that is a kind of government.

[Aetheras]

who regulates the police? there not idiots they can organise themselves, as for payment, in an anarchist society there would be no curency, to those according to need, from those according to ability

So they would do it out of the kindness in their hearts?

if they didnt then they should not expect the people to trade with them, assist them in times of trouble, not if they dont contribute

[Aetheras]

what im saying is that the people should take over the duties of government, they should make the laws, then the police would inforce them, govern ourselves you see

But that is a kind of government.

hm, i suppose you could call it that, me ruling myself is me *governing* myself, but im not ruling anyone else, i have no right to, thats the idea of anarchism