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Creationism vs. Evolution

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Which do you believe?

Young Earth Creationism
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5%
Old Earth Creationism
6
3%
Theistic Evolution
36
16%
Intelligent Design
16
7%
Darwinian Evolution
141
61%
Other (please explain)
20
9%
 
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Creationism vs. Evolution

Postby New Clearland » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:29 pm

So what do you think about the origin of life? Was it the result of a series of random mutations? Were we created? Or was it a series of mutations with divine guidance? Lots of arguments are made for all sides of the debate.

Personally, I believe in evolution (fossils anyone?) but I also believe that it was likely guided (not sure by what). Therefore I guess my belief falls more into the intelligent design category. Just a single cell alone is far more complex than any super computer and I doubt that something so complex came about by pure chance.

What do you think and why?
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Postby Valgora » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:04 pm

Evolution.

In my opinion, what it says in the bible is completely wrong.

Even though I (more or less) believe in a god, I don't think it was guided.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:05 pm

Evolution has nothing to do with the origin of life.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:06 pm

I'm pretty open to intelligent design nowadays.

Though evolution doesn't have much to do with the actual origin of life, I think that's abiogenesis or however it's spelled.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm pretty open to intelligent design nowadays.

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Postby Volkmacht » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:11 pm

Evolution.

I was never a religious person to begin with and I don't care what religious nuts say (Some say the seven days is merely a metaphor). The universe did not create itself in a week.
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Postby The of Japan » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:12 pm

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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:13 pm

The Neanderthal God made us in his image.
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Postby Iceland-Greenland Union » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:15 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:The Neanderthal God made us in his image.


It was obviously the Homo Erectus god, Neanderthal heathen.
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Postby New Clearland » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:15 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I'm pretty open to intelligent design nowadays.

Gods preserve us.


What I like about ID is that it is pretty open. It doesn't necessarily deny evolution nor does it say that the origin of life or evolution for that matter had divine influence. Some proponents of ID actually argue that extraterrestrials may have played a role in human evolution.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:17 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:The Neanderthal God made us in his image.


Then the human gods created a better image and you went extinct, GG no re.

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Ifreann wrote:Gods preserve us.


What I like about ID is that it is pretty open. It doesn't necessarily deny evolution nor does it say that the origin of life or evolution for that matter had divine influence. Some proponents of ID actually argue that extraterrestrials may have played a role in human evolution.


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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:17 pm

New Clearland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gods preserve us.


What I like about ID is that it is pretty open. It doesn't necessarily deny evolution nor does it say that the origin of life or evolution for that matter had divine influence. Some proponents of ID actually argue that extraterrestrials may have played a role in human evolution.

You are correct that ID is not a clear or coherent proposal.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:19 pm

New Clearland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gods preserve us.


What I like about ID is that it is pretty open. It doesn't necessarily deny evolution nor does it say that the origin of life or evolution for that matter had divine influence. Some proponents of ID actually argue that extraterrestrials may have played a role in human evolution.

What I liked about intelligent design was that it had no evidence whatsoever, only misunderstandings and nonsense building on each other, thus leading to great entertainment when people argued it. That got boring after a few years, though.
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Postby Romanum Dominium » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:27 pm

I lean more towards the Intelligent Design side of things, in that I definitely think that God that guided evolution. However, ID is more of a religious thought and has no place in a classroom or being taught as science.

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Postby Cetacea » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:29 pm

Volkmacht wrote:Evolution.

I was never a religious person to begin with and I don't care what religious nuts say (Some say the seven days is merely a metaphor). The universe did not create itself in a week.


No it created itself in a expansive moment 13.8 billion years ago
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Postby Montchevre » Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:32 pm

Oh boy. This "debate" again. I don't have so much time to waste; Darwinian evolution is scientific fact. It is proven beyond reasonable doubt not only based on Darwin and Wallace's original observations, but now as well by genetics and paleontology. That's all. Someone doubting it can either provide real scientific evidence that contradicts it from a peer-reviewed journal or acknowledge the fact that their belief is not based in fact. This is hard modern science vs wishy washy mythology thousands of years old. It's not even a competition.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:39 pm

New Clearland wrote:So what do you think about the origin of life?

Abiogenesis sounds about right.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:47 pm

New Clearland wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gods preserve us.


What I like about ID is that it is pretty open. It doesn't necessarily deny evolution nor does it say that the origin of life or evolution for that matter had divine influence. Some proponents of ID actually argue that extraterrestrials may have played a role in human evolution.


What I like about ID is how its main advocates did not know the research done at their own institutions and were unable to properly use the find&replace function of microsoft word.
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Postby Unempathetic Dictators » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:51 pm

Montchevre wrote:Oh boy. This "debate" again. I don't have so much time to waste; Darwinian evolution is scientific fact. It is proven beyond reasonable doubt not only based on Darwin and Wallace's original observations, but now as well by genetics and paleontology. That's all. Someone doubting it can either provide real scientific evidence that contradicts it from a peer-reviewed journal or acknowledge the fact that their belief is not based in fact. This is hard modern science vs wishy washy mythology thousands of years old. It's not even a competition.

It is said that the simplest protein, when simplified could not form itself within this side of 6 Septillion years

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Postby The Imperium Empires » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:54 pm

Evolution has evidence behind it, thats what makes me believe no know it's real.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:56 pm

Unempathetic Dictators wrote:
Montchevre wrote:Oh boy. This "debate" again. I don't have so much time to waste; Darwinian evolution is scientific fact. It is proven beyond reasonable doubt not only based on Darwin and Wallace's original observations, but now as well by genetics and paleontology. That's all. Someone doubting it can either provide real scientific evidence that contradicts it from a peer-reviewed journal or acknowledge the fact that their belief is not based in fact. This is hard modern science vs wishy washy mythology thousands of years old. It's not even a competition.

It is said that the simplest protein, when simplified could not form itself within this side of 6 Septillion years

It is also said that all life was caused by the wizzard Rincewind dropping a sandwich while timetravelling.

Things being said means very little ;)
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:56 pm

Evolution is fact. The religious among us (myself included) just believe that there's a god behind this evolution.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:57 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Unempathetic Dictators wrote:It is said that the simplest protein, when simplified could not form itself within this side of 6 Septillion years

It is also said that all life was caused by the wizzard Rincewind dropping a sandwich while timetravelling.

Things being said means very little ;)

It is known *nod*
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:04 pm

Evolution as described in Linnaean Taxonomies is undoubtedly true and observable fact

unfortunately Darwinian Evolution as described in Phylogenetic Clades is not undisputed fact. In particular there is no evidence of all species developing from a single common ancestor nor is there evidence of transitions between different Orders or Families.

In other words Evolution has shown that Cats (Felidae) will evolve into Different types of Cat, there is no evidence that Cats evolved from the same ancestor as Bears and so certainly no evidence of sharing common descent with Blue-green Algae.

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Postby Khalisako » Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:16 pm

The world was created by the sky woman and everything else just sorta happened by itselfs, i guess.
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