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There should be some form of punishment related to pornography?

Fines for producers only
7
2%
Fines for all people involved in production (even actors)
9
2%
Fines even for the users
3
1%
Criminalization of producers
12
3%
Criminalization for all people involved in production (even actors)
15
4%
Criminalization for all people involved + fines for the users
10
2%
Criminalization even for the users
8
2%
Awareness campaigns only
37
9%
Pornography is free speech
325
76%
 
Total votes : 426

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Postby Hashirajima » Wed May 03, 2017 2:45 pm

Khornatenreich wrote:
Hashirajima wrote:... kinda is when you're derailing the thread. Which, last I checked, isn't about racial demographics. Can we get back to talking about porn, thanks?



Porn does effect racial demographics. Look at Japans horrifyingly vanishing birth-rates.

I'm... pretty sure that's not due to porn.

Edit: Let me add on-
The Economist wrote:The chief reason for the dearth of births is the decline of marriage. Fewer people are opting to wed, and those who do are getting married later in life. At least a third of young women aim to become full-time housewives, yet they struggle to find men who can support a traditional family. In better economic times potential suitors had permanent jobs as part of Japan’s “lifetime employment” system. Now many of them have to rely on temporary or part-time work. Other women shun marriage and children because Japan’s old-fashioned corporate culture, together with a dire shortage of child care, forces them to give up their careers if they have children. Finally, young people are bound by strict social codes. Only around 2% of babies are born outside marriage (compared with 30–50% in most of the rich world), which means that as weddings plummet, so do births. And even for those who do start families, the rising cost of child-rearing often imposes a de facto one-child policy.

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Postby Khornatenreich » Wed May 03, 2017 2:45 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Khornatenreich wrote:

Porn does effect racial demographics. Look at Japans horrifyingly vanishing birth-rates.

I don't think that's cuz of porn



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Postby Aelex » Wed May 03, 2017 2:46 pm

Khornatenreich wrote:Porn does effect racial demographics. Look at Japans horrifyingly vanishing birth-rates.

Oh, if you think it's bad now, just wait until they invent sex-robots and perfection V.R technologies, it will only take a couple more years and when they do so, their birthrates will go in the negatives.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 03, 2017 2:46 pm

Khornatenreich wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I don't think that's cuz of porn



Sshhhh, shhhhh, don't bring facts into this.

Wait so you're contradicting yourself?
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Postby Imperialisium » Wed May 03, 2017 2:48 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Khornatenreich wrote:

Sshhhh, shhhhh, don't bring facts into this.

Wait so you're contradicting yourself?


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Postby Aelex » Wed May 03, 2017 2:48 pm

Hashirajima wrote:I'm... pretty sure that's not due to porn.

I mean, let's not kid ourselves, to some point it is. The otaku culture clearly plays a lot into Japan's birthrate being so low.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 03, 2017 2:49 pm

Aelex wrote:
Khornatenreich wrote:Porn does effect racial demographics. Look at Japans horrifyingly vanishing birth-rates.

Oh, if you think it's bad now, just wait until they invent sex-robots and perfection V.R technologies, it will only take a couple more years and when they do so, their birthrates will go in the negatives.

Until people start desiring children or decide to have sex because great porn doesn't remove desire in mot people
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 03, 2017 2:54 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Apparently not.

According to Gloria Steinem gay porn still hurts women


to be honest, steinem should have been committed to a facility.

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Postby Chessmistress » Wed May 03, 2017 2:55 pm

Aelex wrote:
Khornatenreich wrote:Porn does effect racial demographics. Look at Japans horrifyingly vanishing birth-rates.

Oh, if you think it's bad now, just wait until they invent sex-robots and perfection V.R technologies, it will only take a couple more years and when they do so, their birthrates will go in the negatives.


What have to to V.R. with that?

Japan can even sink but in the west Feminists are taking action against that
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... s-sexuels/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -objectify

https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... e-culture/
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed May 03, 2017 2:57 pm

Khornatenreich wrote:
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Lol so you're a fake/discount German? Must be a fad over there again. I bet you try to speak German too? I bet it sounds hilarious. I always found it funny when American guys try to woo me with their terrible linguistic skills.

So yeah, I'll reiterate since I know the education system is struggling over there. I'm more Caucasian than you'll ever be.

So cheers!


To be on point with the thread I will say: I don't think punishing pornographers is right, unless they break a law or do something unethical.


Actually, it's not a "fad", there is a pretty massive movement to reconnect with the Urheimat. And why would anyone try to woo you anyway? Seems like a poor life choice.
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Postby Aelex » Wed May 03, 2017 2:59 pm

Chessmistress wrote:What have to to V.R. with that?

Japan can even sink but in the west Feminists are taking action against that
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... s-sexuels/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -objectify

https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... e-culture/

Is there really a need for me to picture you the possibility V.R offer when it comes to porn? :p

Anyway, I doubt they will get much done because it's still not a mainstream issue today and isn't likely to be one before a couple of years at least.
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Postby Philjia » Wed May 03, 2017 2:59 pm

Aelex wrote:
Hashirajima wrote:I'm... pretty sure that's not due to porn.

I mean, let's not kid ourselves, to some point it is. The otaku culture clearly plays a lot into Japan's birthrate being so low.

Not really. The insane work environment will affect a much larger number of people.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed May 03, 2017 3:00 pm

Virtual Reality is overrated. Assuming that someone doesn't have 20/20 or better vision, it flat out doesn't work. It is the same reason for why I can't appreciate 3D movies. With just one good eye, only 2D looks good to me.
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Postby Aelex » Wed May 03, 2017 3:01 pm

Philjia wrote:Not really. The insane work environment will affect a much larger number of people.

Who will still have kids, eventually, even if less than someone in a less crazy work situation.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 03, 2017 3:02 pm

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Philjia wrote:Not really. The insane work environment will affect a much larger number of people.

Who will still have kids, eventually, even if less than someone in a less crazy work situation.

But nerds won't get laid? Is this your logic?
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Postby Philjia » Wed May 03, 2017 3:05 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Aelex wrote:Oh, if you think it's bad now, just wait until they invent sex-robots and perfection V.R technologies, it will only take a couple more years and when they do so, their birthrates will go in the negatives.


What have to to V.R. with that?

It's easier to fuck a lump of plastic and metal if you're seeing something else.
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Postby Imperialisium » Wed May 03, 2017 3:05 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Aelex wrote:Who will still have kids, eventually, even if less than someone in a less crazy work situation.

But nerds won't get laid? Is this your logic?


It'd be bad logic. I myself and several of my friends agree that nerds are cute. Actually, we pretty much prefer them over other men.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 03, 2017 3:07 pm

Imperialisium wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:But nerds won't get laid? Is this your logic?


It'd be bad logic. I myself and several of my friends agree that nerds are cute. Actually, we pretty much prefer them over other men.

I've certainly never had a problem. Hell one of best friends who you could easily call an otaku just had a kid. Granted he named her after a Fire Emblem character, but still, a child was had from his loins
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Postby Gauthier » Wed May 03, 2017 3:11 pm

Philjia wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
What have to to V.R. with that?

It's easier to fuck a lump of plastic and metal if you're seeing something else.

Silly, it still oppresses women because the lump of plastic and metal simulates a woman! In fact all sexual arousal oppresses women! Castrate men now!
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Postby New haven america » Wed May 03, 2017 3:11 pm

Philjia wrote:
Aelex wrote:I mean, let's not kid ourselves, to some point it is. The otaku culture clearly plays a lot into Japan's birthrate being so low.

Not really. The insane work environment will affect a much larger number of people.

And high incentive to keep traditional gender roles (Guy works, lady keeps house) causes people to not want to kids. Most women in Japan like having careers, and having kids will completely destroy that for most of them.

Otaku culture isn't just anime fans, btw, Otaku means "Hobbyist" or "Fanatic" in Japanese, so there are a lot of things otaku can apply to (Sports otaku, train otaku, fishing otaku, etc...).
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Postby Saiwania » Wed May 03, 2017 3:12 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I've certainly never had a problem. Hell one of best friends who you could easily call an otaku just had a kid. Granted he named her after a Fire Emblem character, but still, a child was had from his loins


Did he get a paternity test to be sure? It might be almost inevitable that it is really somebody else's child. Cheating is extremely common among men but even more so among women.
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Postby Oneracon » Wed May 03, 2017 3:12 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Aelex wrote:Oh, if you think it's bad now, just wait until they invent sex-robots and perfection V.R technologies, it will only take a couple more years and when they do so, their birthrates will go in the negatives.


What have to to V.R. with that?

Japan can even sink but in the west Feminists are taking action against that
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... s-sexuels/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -objectify

https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... e-culture/

"Campaign Against Sex Robots" ...I literally cannot believe I read those words with my own eyes. Though reading through the policy documents it's yet another not-explicitly-SWERF group that is wholesale embraced by SWERFs. Particularly telling is their rather dismissive aside to third wave feminism in their policy paper.


Saiwania wrote:Virtual Reality is overrated. Assuming that someone doesn't have 20/20 or better vision, it flat out doesn't work. It is the same reason for why I can't appreciate 3D movies. With just one good eye, only 2D looks good to me.

Well true virtual reality (i.e. with simulated sensations) would likely be a direct brain-to-computer interface, bypassing any physical limitations to the senses. You don't need 20/20 vision or even eyes when the visuals are being sent directly to your cerebral cortex.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed May 03, 2017 3:13 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I've certainly never had a problem. Hell one of best friends who you could easily call an otaku just had a kid. Granted he named her after a Fire Emblem character, but still, a child was had from his loins


Did he get a paternity test to be sure? It might be almost inevitable that it is really somebody else's child. Cheating is extremely common among men but even more so among women.

What the...no jeez. They're married. The hell is wrong with you?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed May 03, 2017 3:14 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
What have to to V.R. with that?

Japan can even sink but in the west Feminists are taking action against that
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... s-sexuels/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... -objectify

https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... e-culture/

"Campaign Against Sex Robots" ...I literally cannot believe I read those words with my own eyes. Though reading through the policy documents it's yet another not-explicitly-SWERF group that is wholesale embraced by SWERFs. Particularly telling is their rather dismissive aside to third wave feminism in their policy paper.


Saiwania wrote:Virtual Reality is overrated. Assuming that someone doesn't have 20/20 or better vision, it flat out doesn't work. It is the same reason for why I can't appreciate 3D movies. With just one good eye, only 2D looks good to me.

Well true virtual reality (i.e. with simulated sensations) would likely be a direct brain-to-computer interface, bypassing any physical limitations to the senses. You don't need 20/20 vision or even eyes when the visuals are being sent directly to your cerebral cortex.

The moment direct brain interface is developed civilization will either go full cyberpunk, or full Matrix if mankind done fuck up.
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Postby Philjia » Wed May 03, 2017 3:16 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I've certainly never had a problem. Hell one of best friends who you could easily call an otaku just had a kid. Granted he named her after a Fire Emblem character, but still, a child was had from his loins


Did he get a paternity test to be sure? It might be almost inevitable that it is really somebody else's child. Cheating is extremely common among men but even more so among women.

What is it with right wingers and their cuckolding obsession?
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