Will the EU survive?

[Shrilland]

In light of the surge in anti-EU sentiment withnin Europe I have come to question whether the EU will survive in the future. With Brexit, Le Pen, and anti-EU parties making large gains in nearly every election it seems as if the days of the EU are numbered. What do you think NSG?

I believe that the EU will not survive the next ten years. With the EU staunchly opposing reform at any major event and attempting to play hardball with Britain and Greece I don't see other options besides unsastified countries simply leaving. If the EU were to change it's tone on major reforms in order to become more democratic then countries may choose to stay but I personally cannot see such a supranational government continuing in the current climate

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

Surely it will survive, but we will not know how, it can become an organization that matters little or else it will continue at its current level. It's only a matter of time.

[Alvecia]

Probably. Worst case scenario it goes all League of Nations and gets reformed later.

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

Probably. Worst case scenario it goes all League of Nations and gets reformed later.

Has not the UN replaced LoN as useless on planet earth?

[Alvecia]

Probably. Worst case scenario it goes all League of Nations and gets reformed later.

Has not the UN replaced LoN as useless on planet earth?

The UN does a lot of good internationally, but unfortunately people seem to only measure its success by how hard it cracks down on rogue nations.

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

Has not the UN replaced LoN as useless on planet earth?

The UN does a lot of good internationally, but unfortunately people seem to only measure its success by how hard it cracks down on rogue nations.

Dishonest nations? Does not intervening in Syria where 600 thousand people a year die is extremely honest? Is the refugee crisis in Europe honest?

[Alvecia]

The UN does a lot of good internationally, but unfortunately people seem to only measure its success by how hard it cracks down on rogue nations.

Dishonest nations? Does not intervening in Syria where 600 thousand people a year die is extremely honest? Is the refugee crisis in Europe honest?

Erm....what? What's honesty got to do with anything?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The EU probably survives the perfidy of the Eternal Anglo, no matter how attractive I may find the image of Britain walking out of the door, laughing an aristocrat's laugh and sipping tea while the building slowly collapses into rubble in the background.

[Alvecia]

The EU probably survives the perfidy of the Eternal Anglo, no matter how attractive I may find the image of Britain walking out of the door, laughing an aristocrat's laugh and sipping tea while the building slowly collapses into rubble in the background.

Reminds me of that Yes, Minister skit.

[Gim]

It will disingrate after Germany leaves the EU.

[Ethel mermania]

Yes it will survive. Hopefully it becomes a less political organization, but I see little chance of that happenijg. Too many entrenched interests support the continuing federalization of Europe into one superstate.

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

Dishonest nations? Does not intervening in Syria where 600 thousand people a year die is extremely honest? Is the refugee crisis in Europe honest?

Erm....what? What's honesty got to do with anything?

You said that the UN only does not intervene in dishonest countries, so Syria, Somalia, Libya, etc. are disjointed countries

[Alvecia]

Erm....what? What's honesty got to do with anything?

You said that the UN only does not intervene in dishonest countries, so Syria, Somalia, Libya, etc. are disjointed countries

I said "rogue" countries. Dishonestly is a bit of a broad brush. Most all countries are dishonest in negotiations, for example, if it'll net them an advantage. That's diplomacy.

I was thinking more countries that refuse to abide by international treaties and the like.

[Socialist Nordia]

It will disingrate after Germany leaves the EU.

This is delusional. Germany will never leave the EU, not until it ceases to exist.

[Purpelia]

I don't know if the EU will collapse completely, but what I do know is that the idea of a federal European superstate will. At least one involving the entirety of the continent. The people of Europe have newer in our many diverging histories liked being ruled by a foreign intrusive government that we have no say in. And that is exactly what the EU is shaping up to be. Basically, my predictions are these, in order of likelihood.

1. The EU reverts to an economic and trade union with a significant rollback of the whole federalization process as more and more countries get sick of it and threaten to leave. However it still remains an intrusive Europe only UN substitute with a common market.

2. The EU splits into two blocks, one being centered around germany and belgium and becoming a federal Euro-state and the remainder being #1.

3. The EU collapses completely as hardliners refuse to accept #1 or #2 forcing the others to either leave or accept full federalization. Europe does not completely return to a pre-EU state though as the various nations start forging alternate free trade agreements but it all becomes bilateral and far more sensible overall.

Either way Germany is going to have to learn the hard way that the more they squeeze the more countries slip through their fingers.

[Vassenor]

I haven't actually seen anyone explain how the EU is a bad thing aside from vague scaremongering about health tourism and stuff.

[Australian rePublic]

The EU is an interesting situation where those who are in (Greece, UK, France, etc.)want out, and those who can't get in (Turkey, etc.). Nevertheless, I can't see the EU continuing to exist

[Gyrenaica]

Unfortunately yes it will continue to exist. In the future it may no be as powerful with some more countries potentially leaving, such as France if Le Pen wins

[Shrilland]

I haven't actually seen anyone explain how the EU is a bad thing aside from vague scaremongering about health tourism and stuff.

For me the biggest issue is that most issues are decided entirely by the European Commission, who are unelected, and not the European Parliament, who are elected. This makes federalism seem really awful as an unelected body would be in charge of a federal Europe at this point and time and that is just...nope

[Alvecia]

I haven't actually seen anyone explain how the EU is a bad thing aside from vague scaremongering about health tourism and stuff.

For me the biggest issue is that most issues are decided entirely by the European Commission, who are unelected, and not the European Parliament, who are elected. This makes federalism seem really awful as an unelected body would be in charge of a federal Europe at this point and time and that is just...nope

Both the Commission President, and the other 27 members are elected by the Parliment.

[Shrilland]

For me the biggest issue is that most issues are decided entirely by the European Commission, who are unelected, and not the European Parliament, who are elected. This makes federalism seem really awful as an unelected body would be in charge of a federal Europe at this point and time and that is just...nope

Both the Commission President, and the other 27 members are elected by the Parliment.

Doesn't matter. They're the equivalent or Lords and need to be abolished if they want a federal state.

[Alvecia]

Both the Commission President, and the other 27 members are elected by the Parliment.

Doesn't matter. They're the equivalent or Lords and need to be abolished if they want a federal state.

Lords aren't elected, so they are not equivalent.
Your issue was that they were not elected. They are elected. Objection removed.

[Great Nepal]

I haven't actually seen anyone explain how the EU is a bad thing aside from vague scaremongering about health tourism and stuff.

For me the biggest issue is that most issues are decided entirely by the European Commission, who are unelected, and not the European Parliament, who are elected. This makes federalism seem really awful as an unelected body would be in charge of a federal Europe at this point and time and that is just...nope

Only in the sense that British government isn't elected. Or really government of any country that isn't a presidential system.

[Shrilland]

Doesn't matter. They're the equivalent or Lords and need to be abolished if they want a federal state.

Lords aren't elected, so they are not equivalent.
Your issue was that they were not elected. They are elected. Objection removed.

They are elected by parliment. Lords are generally put in place by parliment. They are identical.

[Shrilland]

For me the biggest issue is that most issues are decided entirely by the European Commission, who are unelected, and not the European Parliament, who are elected. This makes federalism seem really awful as an unelected body would be in charge of a federal Europe at this point and time and that is just...nope

Only in the sense that British government isn't elected. Or really government of any country that isn't a presidential system.

Exactly. Without the Lords the British system is totally acceptable. Currently, it isn't as Lords are appointed by the elected government usually. The Commission is identical and both need to be abolished.