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Should we include X-Men and other non MCU topics in this thread?

Yes, all Marvel films should be discussed here
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No, keep this discussion MCU exclusive
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Total votes : 158

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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 9:51 am

I don't know, I kind of hate fat Thor.
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Postby Andsed » Tue May 14, 2019 10:14 am

Valrifell wrote:I don't know, I kind of hate fat Thor.

I liked it. Sure I loved his personality and look in IW and Ragnarok. But I think the fat thor plot line was a good character arc. Thor has never dealt with the failure he suffers in IW and his whole identity was just shattered. It makes sense that he would just kinda shut down.

And I think his endgame story arc was pretty well written.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue May 14, 2019 10:25 am

Andsed wrote:
Valrifell wrote:I don't know, I kind of hate fat Thor.

I liked it. Sure I loved his personality and look in IW and Ragnarok. But I think the fat thor plot line was a good character arc. Thor has never dealt with the failure he suffers in IW and his whole identity was just shattered. It makes sense that he would just kinda shut down.

And I think his endgame story arc was pretty well written.


I took it more as a regression in character, since Thor's failings is what originally casts him to Earth in the first place. How many times do we have to see Thor prove himself?
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue May 14, 2019 12:35 pm

Valrifell wrote:I don't know, I kind of hate fat Thor.

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Postby Forsher » Tue May 14, 2019 4:21 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Andsed wrote:I liked it. Sure I loved his personality and look in IW and Ragnarok. But I think the fat thor plot line was a good character arc. Thor has never dealt with the failure he suffers in IW and his whole identity was just shattered. It makes sense that he would just kinda shut down.

And I think his endgame story arc was pretty well written.


I took it more as a regression in character, since Thor's failings is what originally casts him to Earth in the first place. How many times do we have to see Thor prove himself?


Not only this but basically everything that was meant to push him over the edge is stuff that had already happened to him prior to Infinity War.

That being said he's awesome and hilarious respectively in both movies even if the story has serious problems.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Tue May 14, 2019 4:31 pm

Tbh it doesn’t seem like any major movie can agree on a characterization for Thor.

So at this point it seems they’re throwing their hands in the air and going for whatever’s entertaining.

Hey, if it works.
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Postby Forsher » Tue May 14, 2019 6:09 pm

The first Galactic Republic wrote:Tbh it doesn’t seem like any major movie can agree on a characterization for Thor.

So at this point it seems they’re throwing their hands in the air and going for whatever’s entertaining.

Hey, if it works.


Ragnarok just turned Thor into a troll rather than giving him an entirely new story arc, which is what happened between Ragnarok and IW.

Given that Thor had been flying around in space for years with no company but Mjolnir whilst failing to find Infinity Stones and having prophetic dreams (can we just talk about that for a moment) I think it's reasonable to expect some kind of personality change. Certainly, it's better than what happened with Drax. I mean, they were both used for unintentional humour in earlier appearances but it took four months for Drax to become a joke machine.

However, it has become clearer that they really screwed up with how they depicted Thor prior to Ragnarok. Whether fans would have accepted a Thor movie that played into the absurdity of the premise or not back in (iirc) 2011 or not I don't know, but it's definitely what people want now.

That being said, I reckon maybe a quarter to a third of fans really didn't buy into Endgame Thor's characterisation. Don't get me wrong, I think we should absolutely be very disappointed with the story that the Russo's told with Thor across both films but what I'm talking about is fans who dislike the depiction regardless of the story. It reminds me of a video I watched about The Last Jedi. The point the person was making was that people might have really liked that film if Luke had crossed the salt flats or whatever it was and faced the army down by himself and died like a boss. This is what a lot of people wanted to see with Thor.

Bombadil wrote:Thor’s on a mission of vengeance. And then we were like, he was on a mission of vengeance in the last movie. This is all this guy ever does! And fails, all the time. Let’s drive him into a wall and see what happens.”


This is very disingenuous. I mean, we can probably say that Thor's got revenge motives in Ragnarok ("Revengers") and maybe even in The Dark World (because of his mum) but the key thing is "fails, all the time". If you're not going to give Thor another revenge story because he does it all the time, why do they then proceed to make his story be about complete failure... something else he also does all the time. The reason given to reject one direction is the same as the other.

And it's a problem because Ronin is not a character I can get behind and support. Not just because it's another case of lifting a look from the comics and then doing nothing with it, but because they put Clint
in a position where I don't want to see him survive the film. And then they take the opportunity to kill off another basically sidelined female character instead? And then to say that the reason this happened is actually because they didn't know how to write a third character?


When it comes down to it I just don't believe them when they say that. The Russos are terrible at handling characters who are a lot more powerful than the other ones. We've seen it in all of their post Winter Soldier MCU projects and it's manifested in a bunch of different ways. I really cannot defend how contrived Infinity War is as a film. And this is a problem because, strictly speaking, nothing Thor experienced in IW is new to him. The logical step for the character is complete denial and the solution that IW says Thor turns to is to try and power up. I mean, maybe they'd never do something like Rune King Thor in the MCU (they certainly won't now) but then you look at the pool in Ultron. If Thor was going to continue along the vengeance path all it would have created is a more powerful Thor and, hence, a bigger headache than he already was. After all, at least with Carol they can just leave her in space without raising questions but Thor is a main character.

(Of course, the obvious solution in this case would have been to make Thor the villain of Endgame. That is they do something like Rune King Thor and realise Thor is going to destroy the timestream/universe just to have a chance to stop the Snap/get his revenge. So they do the time heist as per the actual movie because the Stones are the only thing the Avengers can think of that might help. The end of the film then plays out in basically the same way except instead of fighting past Thanos they fight Thor... Hulk gets nerfed via the first Snap, which they hoped would make Thor see sense and obviously it doesn't. Eventually it gets to such a point that Tony realises there's no other way and is forced to Snap Thor.)
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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed May 15, 2019 6:44 pm

Past 2.5 billion globally, only ~280 million more needed globally to beat Avatar.
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Postby Panthera Leo » Wed May 15, 2019 10:28 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:Past 2.5 billion globally, only ~280 million more needed globally to beat Avatar.

Will it make it?

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed May 15, 2019 10:38 pm

Panthera Leo wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Past 2.5 billion globally, only ~280 million more needed globally to beat Avatar.

Will it make it?

Ask me in a month or two
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri May 17, 2019 2:54 pm

Lord Dominator wrote:
Panthera Leo wrote:Will it make it?

Ask me in a month or two

you don't need a month or two well a month at the most a better question would be could it be the first Superhero movie to reach 3 billion also with inflation counted as well as dvd's, and other products like toys, games and digital copies could Endgame dethrone Gone with the wind?
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Fri May 17, 2019 3:02 pm

Sorry, I received a TG almost a week ago to update the poll. The TG had a suggestion on which MCU character is likely to be gay atm? Or something like that?

Anyways I have some time to update the poll to whatever is currently being discussed. I'll be honest. I had forgotten I had even started this discussion thread until I got that TG. I apologize for the late response on this but been busy.

So, I have about a half hour left at the library before I need to leave so what are some suggestions for a new poll?

EDIT: About to have to leave so I'll check back here tomorrow after work and see what poll suggestions pop up in the meantime.
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Postby Fedel » Fri May 17, 2019 4:00 pm

Possible Poll Options

Marvel movie with the best soundtrack.
Best show set within the MCU ( or best show starring a Marvel character if you like, if you do, be sure to include Legion ).
Favorite phase of the MCU.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri May 17, 2019 9:56 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Ask me in a month or two

you don't need a month or two well a month at the most a better question would be could it be the first Superhero movie to reach 3 billion also with inflation counted as well as dvd's, and other products like toys, games and digital copies could Endgame dethrone Gone with the wind?

Hyperbole for effect.

Qualifiers on first movie to reach 3 Billion are unnecessary (as no movie has yet to do it unadjusted, and Endgame is already the largest superhero movie ever), and I'm fairly sure Endgame will not be the movie to dethrone Gone With the Wind, and it seems fairly unlikely there ever will be one. Nor are sales of stuff not box office related usually counted in box office figures, kinda by definition.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Fri May 17, 2019 9:57 pm

An Endgame related poll could also be favorite Avenger of the original 6.
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Postby Xandarnia » Sat May 18, 2019 11:26 pm

Valrifell wrote:I don't know, I kind of hate fat Thor.


i didn't like it that much either, but i do have to say that
at the end when he fought thanos with iron man and captain america and he had his beard tied up like that, he looked all norse god and it was pretty epic
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