Ridiculously Light Court Rulings

[Kartofian]

I thinks it's pretty easy to think of a case in which the law was excessively harsh and unfair. But what about cases in which the person(s) on trial did not receive a punishment that even reached the level at which it could be deemed as being proportional to the crime? Have you heard of such cases? Can the Law be too "light"?

In my opinion the single most ridiculous case has to be the one of Pedro Lopez. A known serial killer who was arrested and convicted for murdering/raping 110 girls, although he confessed to 300. Despite being caught in 1980 he was classified as mentally insane and put into a psychiatric hospital; from which he was released in 1998 for "good behavior". Currently nobody knows where he is. I think he should have been sentenced to death or at least a life in prison; letting a person deemed mentally insane, and a known murderer, walk out of their respective institution is simply bs.

[Valgora]

I thinks it's pretty easy to think of a case in which the law was excessively harsh and unfair. But what about cases in which the person(s) on trial did not receive a punishment that even reached the level at which it could be deemed as being proportional to the crime? Have you heard of such cases? Can the Law be too "light"?

In my opinion the single most ridiculous case has to be the one of Pedro Lopez. A known serial killer who was arrested and convicted for murdering/raping 110 girls, although he confessed to 300. Despite being caught in 1980 he was classified as mentally insane and put into a psychiatric hospital; from which he was released in 1998 for "good behavior". Currently nobody knows where he is. I think he should have been sentenced to death or at least a life in prison; letting a person deemed mentally insane, and a known murderer, walk out of their respective institution is simply bs.

If someone is a murder or a rapist, they should be thrown into a gulag, executed by firing squad, or both.
Regardless of mental health.

[The 502nd Ghost Division]

I thinks it's pretty easy to think of a case in which the law was excessively harsh and unfair. But what about cases in which the person(s) on trial did not receive a punishment that even reached the level at which it could be deemed as being proportional to the crime? Have you heard of such cases? Can the Law be too "light"?

In my opinion the single most ridiculous case has to be the one of Pedro Lopez. A known serial killer who was arrested and convicted for murdering/raping 110 girls, although he confessed to 300. Despite being caught in 1980 he was classified as mentally insane and put into a psychiatric hospital; from which he was released in 1998 for "good behavior". Currently nobody knows where he is. I think he should have been sentenced to death or at least a life in prison; letting a person deemed mentally insane, and a known murderer, walk out of their respective institution is simply bs.

If someone is a murder or a rapist, they should be thrown into a gulag, executed by firing squad, or both.
Regardless of mental health.

They should be shot midflight when being thrown into gulag

[Valgora]

If someone is a murder or a rapist, they should be thrown into a gulag, executed by firing squad, or both.
Regardless of mental health.

They should be shot midflight when being thrown into gulag

If you throw them into gulag, you can work them to death as punishment.
If you shoot them, you rid the world of someone who didn't deserve to exist.
If you throw them into gulag, you can work them until they are useless and then have them shot.
Having them shot in midair while being thrown into gulag just shows off one guy's shooting skills.

[Camicon]

Didn't take long for this thread to turn into an ITG dick measuring contest. How quaint.

[Soyouso]

I support the death penalty for certain crimes. Messed up people like convicted rapists/child molestors should not EVER be let out. They are a danger to everyone around them whether they themself know or not. I support strict law enforcement, and no one getting lesser charges for the same level of crimes. People should not be able to get out on good behavior if what they did was something like rape or torture, that's bullshit.

[Aodh-Rhionnia]

I thinks it's pretty easy to think of a case in which the law was excessively harsh and unfair. But what about cases in which the person(s) on trial did not receive a punishment that even reached the level at which it could be deemed as being proportional to the crime? Have you heard of such cases? Can the Law be too "light"?

In my opinion the single most ridiculous case has to be the one of Pedro Lopez. A known serial killer who was arrested and convicted for murdering/raping 110 girls, although he confessed to 300. Despite being caught in 1980 he was classified as mentally insane and put into a psychiatric hospital; from which he was released in 1998 for "good behavior". Currently nobody knows where he is. I think he should have been sentenced to death or at least a life in prison; letting a person deemed mentally insane, and a known murderer, walk out of their respective institution is simply bs.

If someone is a murder or a rapist, they should be thrown into a gulag, executed by firing squad, or both.
Regardless of mental health.

Oh so tough, internet guy. Clearly this one has well formed opinions.

[Valgora]

If someone is a murder or a rapist, they should be thrown into a gulag, executed by firing squad, or both.
Regardless of mental health.

Oh so tough, internet guy. Clearly this one has well formed opinions.

So I can't be for the death penalty for certain crimes and express it in a simple way?

[Camicon]

Oh so tough, internet guy. Clearly this one has well formed opinions.

So I can't be for the death penalty for certain crimes and express it in a simple way?

Advocating the execution of people who are mentally unable of understanding what they were doing is an opinion that is generally frowned upon, because to be held responsible for the things you've done you have to be able to understand them.

This is why a young child who accidentally kills someone when playing with Daddy's unlocked and loaded handgun isn't put on death row. This is why people who are the mental age of young children, and are similarly unable to understand cause and effect, aren't put on death row.

[Hyggemata]

We don't legislate for singular circumstances; we don't make a law just to punish one person. That is called ad hoc law, and it's far more pernicious than you imagine.

And also this is why you can only commute the sentence, not aggravate it. When the law errs, it is always on the side of caution and leniency. This is an internationally accepted principle, and for good reason too.

[Aodh-Rhionnia]

Oh so tough, internet guy. Clearly this one has well formed opinions.

So I can't be for the death penalty for certain crimes and express it in a simple way?

Calling for the death and forced labor of anyone that kills someone else regardless of circumstance, intent, and especially mental health, is not a well informed opinion. Sorry. Should Johnny who manages to get ahold of a parents gun and isnt mentally capable of understanding that it is a deadly weapon, accidently shoots his mother be thrown in a prison with convicted killers and left to rot?

[Infected Mushroom]

Despite having studied law and practiced a bit after as a lackey, I struggle to think of a single example.

[Valgora]

Despite having studied law and practiced a bit after as a lackey, I struggle to think of a single example.

The OP has an example.

I would count O.J. Simpson as an example.
Of course he wasn't ruled as guilty.

[Camicon]

Despite having studied law and practiced a bit after as a lackey, I struggle to think of a single example.

The OP has an example.

I would count O.J. Simpson as an example.
Of course he wasn't ruled as guilty.

So not just executions for anyone convicted of a serious crime, but also extrajudicial killings for anyone you think committed a serious crime.

You'd get right along with Duterte, I'm sure.

[San Marlindo]

Didn't take long for this thread to turn into an ITG dick measuring contest. How quaint.

Edgy.

[Camicon]

Didn't take long for this thread to turn into an ITG dick measuring contest. How quaint.

Edgy.

In a thread where the second poster declares that mentally disabled murderers and rapists should be worked to death or outright executed.

Son, the edge was at 11 before I even got here.

[Arumbia67]

Molly Shattuck got 48 weekends for stalking, harassing, and raping a 14 year old boy. And one of our local cops got no jail time for selling booze to underage students. Just probation and kicked off the force.

[Luziyca]

Personally, I feel that the most ridiculously light court ruling (from where I am from in living memory) was having a drunk driver who killed a young family of four get ten years in prison. While that by itself may seem fair, less than a month into her sentence, she gets moved into a healing lodge.

Honestly, I'd probably prefer having her moved to a healing lodge after completing at least 2/3rds of her sentence. But she should not have been put in a healing lodge less than a month into her sentence.

[Valgora]

Edgy.

In a thread where the second poster declares that mentally disabled murderers and rapists should be worked to death or outright executed.

Son, the edge was at 11 before I even got here.

What about the mentally disabled murder mentioned in the OP?

Insanity is defined as being unable to determine between right and wrong.

The number of pleas of insanity is very low (equal to about 10% or less) and the number of those pleas that are accepted is extremely low (Maybe 1% of the 10% that plead insanity). Insanity is not a clinical/medical term, it's a legal term. That mentally disabled murder in the OP most likely suffered from antisocial personality disorder to the extent of being a true psychopath. There is no treatment for psychopaths due to the lack of an actual/effective treatment for ASPD. Therefore, a murder with ASPD and is a psychopath can't be actually treated; therefore, even a murder with that mental illness shouldn't be given a light sentence.

I will be honest, I didn't elaborate that I was really thinking about psychopaths when typing that. And to be honest I managed to fall into the trap of thinking that the number of psychopaths is larger than reality. The number of psychopaths is overrepresented in prison populations.
The lifetime prevalence (what percent of a given population will manifest the mental illness at some point during their lives) for ASPD is 5% in males and about 1% in females; being a psychopath is about 1% of the population.
(Numbers used in the context of the U.S.)

[Valgora]

The OP has an example.

I would count O.J. Simpson as an example.
Of course he wasn't ruled as guilty.

So not just executions for anyone convicted of a serious crime, but also extrajudicial killings for anyone you think committed a serious crime.

You'd get right along with Duterte, I'm sure.

O. J. Simpson was found not guilty simply because he was rich and had enough money to buy amazing lawyers to get him off the hook.

[Aodh-Rhionnia]

So not just executions for anyone convicted of a serious crime, but also extrajudicial killings for anyone you think committed a serious crime.

You'd get right along with Duterte, I'm sure.

O. J. Simpson was found not guilty simply because he was rich and had enough money to buy amazing lawyers to get him off the hook.

So as Camicon said, you want to execute him based solely on your opinion and whim.

[Kartofian]

He spent 19 years in a mental hospital. If he got cured, I don't see any reason not to let him go.

López said that after his jail term, he started murdering young girls in Peru. He claimed that, by 1978, he had killed over 100 of them and that he had been caught by a native tribe, who were preparing to execute him, when an American missionary intervened and persuaded them to hand him over to the state police. The police soon released him. He said he moved to Colombia and later Ecuador, killing about three girls a week. López said: "I like the girls in Ecuador, they are more gentle and trusting, more innocent."

López was arrested when an attempted abduction failed and he was trapped by market traders. He confessed to over three hundred murders. The police only believed him when a flash flood uncovered a mass grave containing many of his victims. According to the BBC: "He was arrested in 1980 but was freed by the government in Ecuador at the end of [1998]." In an interview from his prison cell, López described himself as "the man of the century" and said he was being released for "good behaviour".

An A&E Biography documentary reports that he was released by Ecuadorian prison on 31 August 1994, rearrested an hour later as an illegal immigrant, and handed over to Colombian authorities who charged him with a 20-year-old murder. He was found to be insane and held in a psychiatric wing of a Bogotá hospital. In 1998, he was declared sane and released on $50 bail, subject to certain conditions. He later absconded. The same documentary says that Interpol released an advisory for his rearrest by Colombian authorities over a fresh murder in 2002.
Yeah, i don't think he got "cured"

[Big Jim P]

Executing the offender in the OP is an excellent example of putting down dangerous animals, not to punish,but to eliminate a proven threat.

[Donut section]

People who get off light for their crimes?

Their called women.

[Calladan]

I thinks it's pretty easy to think of a case in which the law was excessively harsh and unfair. But what about cases in which the person(s) on trial did not receive a punishment that even reached the level at which it could be deemed as being proportional to the crime? Have you heard of such cases? Can the Law be too "light"?

In my opinion the single most ridiculous case has to be the one of Pedro Lopez. A known serial killer who was arrested and convicted for murdering/raping 110 girls, although he confessed to 300. Despite being caught in 1980 he was classified as mentally insane and put into a psychiatric hospital; from which he was released in 1998 for "good behavior". Currently nobody knows where he is. I think he should have been sentenced to death or at least a life in prison; letting a person deemed mentally insane, and a known murderer, walk out of their respective institution is simply bs.

Firstly - be white. Secondly - be rich. If you are white and rich, jackpot.

But most recently a guy beat his wife with a cricket bat, forced her to drink bleach, take pills and confessed to all of this, but then said "Hey - I am going to play professional cricket" so the judge let him go (and because the judge felt the wife was educated and smart, so clearly should have been capable of defending herself and/or leaving her husband so she must have wanted to be beaten and poisoned otherwise why would she stay? Silly bitch clearly had it coming, apparently.....).

And the reason that we know it was because this man was going to play professional cricket was because a few weeks later, when it turned out he was lying about being a professional cricket player, the judge sent him to jail. There were LITERALLY no other changes in circumstance - just the fact he didn't have a well paid job waiting for him. That was it - the only reason he didn't go to prison was because he had a chance to be rich and famous, which is clearly a justified reason for not sending a wife beater to jail.

(I have been giving this a lot of thought and I STILL can not wrap my head around the reasoning behind this).