Science vs Religion: Friends not Enemies

[Washington Resistance Army]

There aren't really any inherent conflicts between science and religion unless you're a literalist when it comes to creation stories and whatnot. So yes I have no problem accepting both.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I've never liked the whole "science can't tell us why" thing. Science tells us why all the time.

[Genivaria]

I've never liked the whole "science can't tell us why" thing. Science tells us why all the time.

Yeah I agree, and the 'science will never know x'.
How can you possibly know this?

[Anollasia]

Religious and science aren't mutually exclusive. Many scientists such as Isaac Newton, for example, saw science as a way to explain God's creations.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Good, just let people believe what they want

[Neo Balka]

Huh, trump sounded smart in that one.

[Genivaria]

Huh, trump sounded smart in that one.

I actually had to read that again because that sounded like someone smarter.

[The Imperium Empires]

I've never liked the whole "science can't tell us why" thing. Science tells us why all the time.

While I follow science technically science can only theorise why most things happen.

[Cetacea]

I've never liked the whole "science can't tell us why" thing. Science tells us why all the time.

Nah, science tells us How and What but it categorically does not go into to explaining first causes nor the underlying reason for the process of Causation.
Those things are unknowable and must thus rely on belief

[Lord Dominator]

Huh, trump sounded smart in that one.

I actually had to read that again because that sounded like someone smarter.

Same here
Of course science and religion can work together just fine. They teach/study two completely different parts of nature/the world.

I've never liked the whole "science can't tell us why" thing. Science tells us why all the time.

I think the OP might have meant 'why' as in: Why am I here,? Why does the universe exist instead of not exist,? those kinds of things and not: Why does a ball fall to the ground when I drop it?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

I've never liked the whole "science can't tell us why" thing. Science tells us why all the time.

While I follow science technically science can only theorise why most things happen.

Science "theorises" in that it creates theories, which are explanations for why things happen, yes.

[Malaguenia]

Some religions are anti-science such as Islam.

[Anollasia]

Some religions are anti-science such as Islam.

Let me direct you to this. The Quran encourages Muslims to study nature and investigate the truth. Many Muslims and their governments today may be anti-science, but the religion itself is not. It mostly comes down to culture and education (or lack thereof).

[Philjia]

Religion demands an unflinching devotion to a particular view of the universe. The scientific method encourages one to analyse and pick apart your surroundings in order to understand them more. Religion decrees that it is. Science asks why it is.

[New Luckyland]

Some religions are anti-science such as Islam.

No religion as old as Islam could be anti science. Some modern cults were formed recently enough that it is referred to in the founding texts. Scientology directly refers to itself as scientific, even though they make a mockery of it. Maybe some religious groups have adopted an antiscience stance. I came accross a book mocking the theory of evolution in an Islamic bookshop. If you have some more pointed examples I would like to hear them. I know more about antiscience Christians than antiscience Muslims, but then my first language is English.

This sort of thing is not going to be addressed in any holy book written before the scientific method was established. Seeing as it was scholars in medieval Islamic countries that could arguably be called the first empirists, I would not expect to find this to be in conflict with their doctrine.

[Philjia]

Some religions are anti-science such as Islam.

This is why medieval middle eastern scholars were far in advance of their European counterparts, particularly in the disciplines of medicine and mathematics.

[Anollasia]

I blame the bible, specifically the New Testament, for making mentally ill people sound "demonic". It has put a strain on a lot of our relationships and has caused people to think were violent when we are not. It has caused more mentally ill people to be locked up in jail then hospitals.

No one is going to touch this ? My specific argument that the New Testament treats people who were obviously mentally ill as "demonic". I hold that some Christians believe this to this day. Would anyone want to challenge my point of view ?

I'm mostly confused as to why you quoted me.

[Napkiraly]

I blame the bible, specifically the New Testament, for making mentally ill people sound "demonic". It has put a strain on a lot of our relationships and has caused people to think were violent when we are not. It has caused more mentally ill people to be locked up in jail then hospitals.

No one is going to touch this ? My specific argument that the New Testament treats people who were obviously mentally ill as "demonic". I hold that some Christians believe this to this day. Would anyone want to challenge my point of view ?

It's hardly just Christians that treat the mentally ill poorly, so I don't see why you are specifically going after Christianity.

[Avaritia-Luxuria]

just be deist.

[Neanderthaland]

They might be "Acquaintances not Enemies."

They're not friends.

Adding science to religion contributes little to religion. Adding religion to science breaks science.

[Napkiraly]

It's hardly just Christians that treat the mentally ill poorly, so I don't see why you are specifically going after Christianity.

Excuse me...? Aren't you supposed to treat the sick with compassion ? Isn't the one of the CHACTERISTICS of a Christian ? Do you treat heart attack victims, stroke victims and others compassionately ? All we have had happened is our brain went crazy because it lacked the proper neurotransmitters to connect a thinking brain. If I did the same thing to you, YOU would be "demonic" .

First of all I am not a Christian; in fact I am an atheist. Secondly, it's hardly only Christians that think mental illness (or certain ones rather) are a result of demonic possession.

[Napkiraly]

just be deist.

I am. I can be religious but not hang onto any doctrine. Besides, our country was founded by Deists.

It was founded by a mix of deists and Christians. Even Jefferson was a Christian in the sense that he tried to live by the teachings of Jesus, although he was against organized religion and quite anticlerical.

[North Yemen-]

Not enemies no. But not friends. They don't complement one another for sure, and they're only tenuously neutral.

[Napkiraly]

Buddhism. Anyway, I don't know why you randomly went off on this rant. It's hardly only Christians capable of treating the mentally ill poorly.

[Napkiraly]

Buddhism. Anyway, I don't know why you randomly went off on this rant. It's hardly only Christians capable of treating the mentally ill poorly.

That's true. But in the united States, other religions are in the minority. So...I have a deep and wandering eye over what they do. Don't call yourself a Christian if you beat up on the mentally ill. Just don't. Claim atheism or nothing, but don't claim to be a follower of Christ.

No True Scotsman.

Also no, if they are theists who treat the mentally ill terribly that does not make them atheists. Thank you for that dig towards the atheist community however.