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So what should those in charge in Ven. do

Do nothing and go bust
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Austerity plan no matter the public backlash
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Break-up Ven. into 3 or 4 nations
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Not Sure
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Rio Cana
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Venezuela 2017

Postby Rio Cana » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:34 pm

I have not been really paying attention to our neighbor to our South. But lately, they have been printing in newspapers and showing on tv the latest street protests against the government of Maduro. Also, they have showed Maduros supporters having rallies in support of the government. So I decided to catch up on news on Venezuela. In March, the Ven. Supreme Court dissolved the Ven. Congress which has been controlled by the opposition since early 2016. So Maduro now has most of the power. This explains why the supporters of the opposition are protesting in the streets since the balance of power has tilted toward the Pres..

Going back, before the oil price collapse, Ven. was chugging along with its social programs which were effective when it came to the have nots. They are still giving people who cannot afford a new home, free homes. However, with oil down, the government cannot continue to afford these gran social projects. When it comes to imports. Ven. relies on imports for many things. But there monetary mess, devaluation and running out of money means they cannot afford to import most basic items.

Found an article from Colombian writer Mauricio Cabrera Galvis. He seems to have hit it on the nose what is Ven. main problem. He says its economical. That without solutions to the economy that the political problems cannot be solved. He points out that in Ven. neithier the government or the opposition which controlled the congress ever came up with a plan to deal with the economy which explains why the congress got forcibly dissolved by the supreme court. The writer concludes that neithier Maduro, the dissolved Congress or the 28 opposition political parties (which agree on tossing Maduro out) want to declare any austerity plan since it will mean instant political destruction.

So I think he is right. None of the political parties including the government wants to touch this hot potato which would mean angry voters getting really angry because of tough austerity plans. In the meantime, there foreign reserves keep going down and down. So what do you think NS.

This will take you to Mauricio Cabrera Galvis article but its in Spanish - http://www.portafolio.co/opinion/mauric ... 017-504885
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:38 pm

Their government has been collecting civilian guns to arm pro-government militias.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:39 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Been collecting civilian guns to arm pro-government militias.


Yeah I've been following that, pretty scary.

Venezuela needs some change ASAP.

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Postby Herskerstad » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Been collecting civilian guns to arm pro-government militias.


Yeah I've been following that, pretty scary.

Venezuela needs some change ASAP.


Yeah, there used to be a lot of Venezuelan optimists on NS. Guess that went out of style.
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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:42 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Their government has been collecting civilian guns to arm pro-government militias.


If Ven. does go into civil war mode, chances are the US and OAS might get involved.
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Postby Neo Balka » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:42 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Their government has been collecting civilian guns to arm pro-government militias.


But socialistic gun controllllllll

wait you mean that these idiots are now arming pro Asshat militias?

welp, time to get a carrier group down there to bomb the fuck out of that shithole and maybe shit in HUGO CHAVEZ's!!!!!! Mouth.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:44 pm

The people of Venezuela might as well overthrow their government or force through a regime change, the population in that country has lost an average of 18 pounds for every person living there and the tolerance for famine or continued economic poverty just isn't there anymore. Take this as a lesson learned and don't go down this road again. No more socialism.
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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:45 pm

The Ven. govt. is saying these protest are US supported. So today they nationalized a GM Venezuelan Auto manufacturing plant. GM is taking them to court.
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Postby Valgora » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:45 pm

Saiwania wrote:The people of Venezuela might as well overthrow their government or force through a regime change, the population in that country has lost an average of 18 pounds for every person living there and the tolerance for famine or continued economic poverty just isn't there anymore. Take this as a lesson learned and don't go down this road again. No more socialism.


Venezuela isn't socialist.
About 2/3 of the economy is private.
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Postby Korica » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:46 pm

They need to seize the means of production and kick out all private and American businesses.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:46 pm

Rio Cana wrote:The Ven. govt. is saying these protest are US supported. So today they nationalized a GM Venezuelan Auto manufacturing plant. GM is taking them to court.


Unreal, their government needs overthrown ASAP.

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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:49 pm

Saiwania wrote:The people of Venezuela might as well overthrow their government or force through a regime change, the population in that country has lost an average of 18 pounds for every person living there and the tolerance for famine or continued economic poverty just isn't there anymore. Take this as a lesson learned and don't go down this road again. No more socialism.


Elections are due Oct. 2018.
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Postby USCGC James » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:50 pm

Nick Maduro is a tyrant and should go to prison. Horribly mismanaging the nation's resources (heck, they've got more oil than Norway) and ruthlessly shutting down opposition. Vote Maduro for prison 2018!

With regards to what the government should do, take it down and build it from the ground up, modelled after a working nation's government.
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Postby USCGC James » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:53 pm

Korica wrote:They need to seize the means of production and kick out all private and American businesses.

They tried that under Chavez, and now Maduro. It's not working.
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Postby United Eurasian Socialist States » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:54 pm

USCGC James wrote:
Korica wrote:They need to seize the means of production and kick out all private and American businesses.

They tried that under Chavez, and now Maduro. It's not working.


but they didn't, considering that a majority of Venezuela's economy is in private hands.
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Postby Valgora » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:54 pm

USCGC James wrote:
Korica wrote:They need to seize the means of production and kick out all private and American businesses.

They tried that under Chavez, and now Maduro. It's not working.


They haven't seized the means of production.
Chavez's ideology involved having some private ownership of the economy.
With 2/3 of their economy private, they aren't socialist.
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Postby Erutenia » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Venezuelan here. With honesty, i don't see Venezuela with a good future. The opposition is falling into the Government's play, making everything worse. The capable people in the opposition is being changed by 'tards. And because the CNN thing, i don't know what is going on.

I'm so fucking dead.
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Postby The Wolfiad » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:05 pm

The best thing that can happen is oil prices rise again. Won't solve many problems, but would help. And even that won't happen.

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Postby Korica » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:22 pm

Valgora wrote:
USCGC James wrote:They tried that under Chavez, and now Maduro. It's not working.


They haven't seized the means of production.
Chavez's ideology involved having some private ownership of the economy.
With 2/3 of their economy private, they aren't socialist.

But they have the chance to be, Maudro needs to do stop with these social democrat polices and seize the means of production.
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Postby The Wolfiad » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:22 pm

Korica wrote:
Valgora wrote:
They haven't seized the means of production.
Chavez's ideology involved having some private ownership of the economy.
With 2/3 of their economy private, they aren't socialist.

But they have the chance to be, Maudro needs to do stop with these social democrat polices and seize the means of production.

lollol. Maduro is not a supporter of social democracy. There is no 'democracy'.
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Postby Valgora » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:23 pm

Korica wrote:
Valgora wrote:
They haven't seized the means of production.
Chavez's ideology involved having some private ownership of the economy.
With 2/3 of their economy private, they aren't socialist.

But they have the chance to be, Maudro needs to do stop with these social democrat polices and seize the means of production.


How libertarian is Maudro when it comes to personal freedoms?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:23 pm

Valgora wrote:
Korica wrote:But they have the chance to be, Maudro needs to do stop with these social democrat polices and seize the means of production.


How libertarian is Maudro when it comes to personal freedoms?


Not very from what I know.

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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:25 pm

Found out that on March 30 2017, Peru's ambassador to Venezuela was officially recalled for good. This was taken because of the Ven. Supreme court decision to disolve the congress. Peru's government had recalled there ambassador in mid-March after a big contraversy. In mid-mMarch the Pres. of Peru Kuczynski was in Princeton NJ. Seems while at Princeton, he visited Pres. Trump who asked him about Latin America. Pres. Kuczynski then supposedly said to Pres. Trump that the US treated Latin America like the dog people have at home but pay little attention too. Seems he wanted to make it clear that the US should get more involved in the region. He then mentioned the problems in Venezuela. The Venezuelan government found out and got very angry. The Ven. chancellor came back with the comment that "the only was dog was he" (referring to Peruvian Pres. Kuczynski) "who spends his time wagging his tail to the empire" (empire meaning the US)"and asking for an intervention in Venezuela." He then called him a coward. A coward for talking badly about Chavez. That he was not much of a man." :o Fighting words. In Ven. talking badly about Chavez can get you into trouble.

In the meantime in Peru - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdm0kKsEA30
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Postby Valgora » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valgora wrote:
How libertarian is Maudro when it comes to personal freedoms?


Not very from what I know.


Then a socialist who is libertarian when it comes to personal freedoms should seize the means of production.
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Postby Korica » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:28 pm

Valgora wrote:
Korica wrote:But they have the chance to be, Maudro needs to do stop with these social democrat polices and seize the means of production.


How libertarian is Maudro when it comes to personal freedoms?

He lets the media demonize him, so pretty good.
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