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NeW lIbErAlIsTaN
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Democratic Socialists

draft: religion act

Postby NeW lIbErAlIsTaN » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:01 am

This is my first.

Beleiving that atheists are evil,

I decided to write this law of god, Because god wants me 2 do this important thing.

Athiests are blaspheming, and must be put to changning jail to change to god believing good people.

This cannot be repealed once passed, and if you want to go to heven, vote for it!!

How do you join the assembely?

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Twilight Sparkle
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Postby Twilight Sparkle » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:05 am

I fully support this proposal. Atheists are the scourge of this world and must be removed by any means necessary. Anypony who doesn't believe in the divinity of Alicorns must be punished.

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Gurori
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Postby Gurori » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:08 am

Now I'm not much of a World Assembly person but your resolution is illegal.

From the GA Proposals Compendium.

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Ideological Ban: Proposals cannot wholly outlaw, whether through direct or indirect language, religious, political or economic ideologies. However, proposals can target specific practices, such as slavery.

Blockers:: Proposals cannot be "repeal-proof" or prohibit legislation on broad and specific issues. However, 'Blockers' themselves are not illegal provided there is additional action (eg. GAR#10: Nuclear Arms Possession Act).


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Higher Japan
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Postby Higher Japan » Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:10 am

I would recommend referring to this link to write a proposal: https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=159348
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Postby Grays Harbor » Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:50 am

This cannot be repealed once passed, and if you want to go to heven, vote for it!!

Also, it is impossible to make something repeal proof. That goes against the game coding, and you cannot change game coding with resolutions. Period.

(You spelled "Heaven" wrong, too.)
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby The New European Order » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:39 am

Hi there! Welcome to the GA!


I suggest you take some time to read over the ‪Rules‬ and use the ‪Passed Resolutions‬ database to do some research so you can check if any future ideas have been covered.

The best advice I can give you is to put drafting on hold for a while and participate in other discussions to get a feel for how the General Assembly works. Its a lot harder to learn the ropes of the game while also learning the unique pitfalls of drafting. Join a thread and debate an issue for a while, and when you've got a stronger grasp on the Rules and the GA as a whole, come back to drafting a resolution.
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Postby UKCS » Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:41 am

Oh joy, yet another "errand boy of god" who believes they will be fine with trying to outlaw atheism.
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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:27 pm

New Liberalistan wrote:This is my first.

Beleiving that atheists are evil,

I decided to write this law of god, Because god wants me 2 do this important thing.

Athiests are blaspheming, and must be put to changning jail to change to god believing good people.

This cannot be repealed once passed, and if you want to go to heven, vote for it!!

How do you join the assembely?


which god? i believe in my goddess, but i do not think my goddess is your god. But because I believe does that mean I am excluded from your jail?
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Wealthatonia
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Postby Wealthatonia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:02 pm

Your god is a nut ambassador and i recommend you stop drinking the cool aid.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:53 pm

Wealthatonia wrote:Your god is a nut ambassador and i recommend you stop drinking the cool aid.

ANd I recommend that youse knock it off with the OOC personal digs, m'kay?
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Wealthatonia
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Postby Wealthatonia » Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Wealthatonia wrote:Your god is a nut ambassador and i recommend you stop drinking the cool aid.

ANd I recommend that youse knock it off with the OOC personal digs, m'kay?


OOC: That wasn't out of character.
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The Greater Siriusian Domain
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:44 pm

Teran Saber: "What is a god, but a miserable little pile of lies created to control the masses? What is heaven, but a mere empty promise to make people accept their suffering instead of trying to make things better for themselves and others? Personal thoughts aside, the Greater Siriusian Domain finds this proposal disgusting."

"The Greater Siriusian Domain opposes this proposal on principle, and further more motions to CONDEMN New Liberalistan."

Wealthatonia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:ANd I recommend that youse knock it off with the OOC personal digs, m'kay?


OOC: That wasn't out of character.


OOC: You're probably going to lose that debate simply because it's you against a mod. I'd suggest going ahead and marking your posts specifically as being in-character from now on.
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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:30 pm

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "What is a god, but a miserable little pile of lies created to control the masses? What is heaven, but a mere empty promise to make people accept their suffering instead of trying to make things better for themselves and others? Personal thoughts aside, the Greater Siriusian Domain finds this proposal disgusting."

"The Greater Siriusian Domain opposes this proposal on principle, and further more motions to CONDEMN New Liberalistan."


I support the idea to oppose the proposal, but since it was their first and so far only post, I think condemning them might be a little bit of overkill.
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The Greater Siriusian Domain
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:39 pm

Covenstone wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:Teran Saber: "What is a god, but a miserable little pile of lies created to control the masses? What is heaven, but a mere empty promise to make people accept their suffering instead of trying to make things better for themselves and others? Personal thoughts aside, the Greater Siriusian Domain finds this proposal disgusting."

"The Greater Siriusian Domain opposes this proposal on principle, and further more motions to CONDEMN New Liberalistan."


I support the idea to oppose the proposal, but since it was their first and so far only post, I think condemning them might be a little bit of overkill.


OOC: Teran Saber isn't supposed to be very forgiving. Or to use his words, he "doesn't suffer fools".
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Postby Gurori » Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:22 pm

On an IC note:

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Araraukar
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:30 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:OOC: You're probably going to lose that debate simply because it's you against a mod. I'd suggest going ahead and marking your posts specifically as being in-character from now on.

OOC: Or adding OOC disclaimers in spoilers. That's what I tend to try and remember to do when it's something that could be taken as OOCly offensive.
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Harbertia
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Postby Harbertia » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:35 am

Even as a Theist I find this proposal abhorrent. This isn't going to generate a greater belief in a god or the god. It will serve only to create false faith; a guise. The epitome of, for example, 'Christian in Name Only'.

One who does not believe can utter praise as convincingly as an actor on stage.
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Covenstone
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Postby Covenstone » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:15 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
Covenstone wrote:
I support the idea to oppose the proposal, but since it was their first and so far only post, I think condemning them might be a little bit of overkill.


OOC: Teran Saber isn't supposed to be very forgiving. Or to use his words, he "doesn't suffer fools".


I am not a big fan of fools either, however I think condemning someone after one post (and only one) post does seem overly mean. And it has been brought to my attention that I am not the best typist at times, and people have been patient with me thus far, so I have a lot of love and forgiveness to go around right now!
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The Greater Siriusian Domain
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:58 am

Covenstone wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
OOC: Teran Saber isn't supposed to be very forgiving. Or to use his words, he "doesn't suffer fools".


I am not a big fan of fools either, however I think condemning someone after one post (and only one) post does seem overly mean. And it has been brought to my attention that I am not the best typist at times, and people have been patient with me thus far, so I have a lot of love and forgiveness to go around right now!


OOC: You do realize you're responding IC to an OOC post, right? Well, either that or you're not even minding the IC/OOC divide that's required in the general assembly.
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This nation's factbook supersedes NS stats and issues, but does not completely replace them. If there is a conflict, the Factbook is correct.

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The Greater Siriusian Domain is a borderline Class Z9 Civilization according to this scale

Primary Ambassador: Teran Saber, Male Siriusian. Snarky, slightly arrogant.
Substitute Ambassador: Ra'lingth, Male En'gari. Speaks with emphasized "s" sounds.

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Postby Araraukar » Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:38 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:OOC: You do realize you're responding IC to an OOC post, right?

OOC: She's new as well, give her some slack. :)
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Postby Covenstone » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:07 am

The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
Covenstone wrote:
I am not a big fan of fools either, however I think condemning someone after one post (and only one) post does seem overly mean. And it has been brought to my attention that I am not the best typist at times, and people have been patient with me thus far, so I have a lot of love and forgiveness to go around right now!


OOC: You do realize you're responding IC to an OOC post, right? Well, either that or you're not even minding the IC/OOC divide that's required in the general assembly.


<ooc> I do apologise. But although there are rules for proposals, there are no real guidelines for posting in the General Assembly. There is a Q&A thread, but it has over 2,000 replies and who is going to read through that unless they are insanely bored?

Araraukar sent me some guidelines, and I will try to stick to the general way things are done, but if I do slip up, I apologise in advance.
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Postby The Greater Siriusian Domain » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:19 am

Covenstone wrote:
The Greater Siriusian Domain wrote:
OOC: You do realize you're responding IC to an OOC post, right? Well, either that or you're not even minding the IC/OOC divide that's required in the general assembly.


<ooc> I do apologise. But although there are rules for proposals, there are no real guidelines for posting in the General Assembly. There is a Q&A thread, but it has over 2,000 replies and who is going to read through that unless they are insanely bored?

Araraukar sent me some guidelines, and I will try to stick to the general way things are done, but if I do slip up, I apologise in advance.


OOC: It's fine. It's really more out of concern honestly, there's an example of the problems not paying close attention to the IC/OOC divide earlier in this very thread.
"For a mind so determined to reach the sky, on the wings of a dream!" - Sanctity, Zeppo
This nation's factbook supersedes NS stats and issues, but does not completely replace them. If there is a conflict, the Factbook is correct.

Island of Govia has been DENOUNCED for their inability to accept the fact that the World Assembly doesn't work that way.
The Greater Siriusian Domain is a borderline Class Z9 Civilization according to this scale

Primary Ambassador: Teran Saber, Male Siriusian. Snarky, slightly arrogant.
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Postby Draconae » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:44 pm

Harbertia wrote:Even as a Theist I find this proposal abhorrent. This isn't going to generate a greater belief in a god or the god. It will serve only to create false faith; a guise. The epitome of, for example, 'Christian in Name Only'.

One who does not believe can utter praise as convincingly as an actor on stage.

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Postby The Republic of Avesta » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:17 pm

New Liberalistan wrote:This is my first.

Beleiving that atheists are evil,

I decided to write this law of god, Because god wants me 2 do this important thing.

Athiests are blaspheming, and must be put to changning jail to change to god believing good people.

This cannot be repealed once passed, and if you want to go to heven, vote for it!!

How do you join the assembely?


Can you please offer a coherent definition of 'god' in this context?

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Postby Vigilante justice » Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:20 pm

New Liberalistan wrote:This is my first.

Beleiving that atheists are evil,

I decided to write this law of god, Because god wants me 2 do this important thing.

Athiests are blaspheming, and must be put to changning jail to change to god believing good people.

This cannot be repealed once passed, and if you want to go to heven, vote for it!!

How do you join the assembely?


A- It's not Blasphemy.

B- You're trying to goad people by saying they will go to hell if they don't vote.

C- God did not say he wanted you to try to literally ban the right to not follow him.
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