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[SUBMITTED] Can garbage cans?

Postby Singapore no2 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:02 am

[desc] Last night, cleaners working in @@CAPITAL@@ Central Train Station discovered a bomb hidden in one of its many dustbins. Following this shocking discovery, a sweep of the capital was conducted, and illegal weapons and explosive devices were found to be concealed in a large number of trash cans. @@NAME@@'s citizens are starting to panic in light of the revelation that terrorists could have successfully launched a massive coordinated attack if not for the chance discovery of the items.

[validity] Only valid for nations where terrorism is illegal

[option] "We can't let this happen again," states @@RANDOMNAME@@, the Police Commissioner, while methodically combing through your waste basket for dangerous objects. "Imagine the chaos that would have ensued, had the terrorists actually carried out their plans! We must ban the use of garbage cans and step up police patrols in densely populated areas."
[effect] terrorists stash their firearms in the growing piles of trash littering the streets
[stats] safety increases, safety from crime increases, law and order funding increases, environmental funding decreases, environmental beauty decreases, authoritarianism increases, retail industry contracts slightly, insurance industry contracts slightly, deaths by murder decrease, political apathy decreases

[option] "That's preposterous!" blusters @@RANDOMNAME@@, a cleaner, whilst emptying your wastebasket. "That would inconvenience the public, and most importantly, having to clear all the litter on the streets would make our jobs ten times harder! A simpler solution would be to hire more cleaners, so that dustbins can be cleared more often. All opaque dustbins should also be replaced with transparent ones, making them easier to examine."
[effect] cleaners armed with brooms and mops are @@NAME@@'s first line of defense against terrorism
[stats] safety increases, safety from crime increases, environmental funding increases, environmental beauty increases, retail industry expands slightly, manufacturing industry expands slightly, deaths by murder decrease, employment increases, insurance industry contracts slightly, happiness increases

[option] "Did you ever stop to wonder where all of those contraband munitions came from in the first place?" questions @@RANDOMNAME@@, a military analyst, handing you a stack of case files. "I did, and considering the fact that the majority of those weapons are standard-issue Blackacre Military Assault Rifles, it's pretty obvious who the culprits are. I say that we return the favour by blowing up their trash cans. Covertly, of course."
[effect] garbage collection is the most dangerous occupation in both Blackacre and @@NAME@@
[stats] safety decreases, environmental beauty decreases, deaths by murder increase, retail industry contracts, arms manufacturing industry expands, defense funding increases, pacifism decreases, compassion decreases, niceness decreases, employment decreases, insurance industry expands, ideological radicality increases, political apathy increases

[option] "What in the blue blazes would that solve?" lampoons General @@RANDOMNAME@@, shoving the analyst aside and hastily saluting. "And besides, the more important lesson to draw from this is that the security of our nation has been severely compromised. Thus, we should enact martial law until we figure things out. Since terrorists and the like seem keen to use our waste receptacles for their nefarious schemes, it is necessary for us to station troops at every bin in @@NAME@@ to monitor suspicious activity."
[effect] taking out the trash usually involves a strip search and multiple guns pointed at one's head
[stats] martial law enacted, civil rights decreases, safety increases very slightly, safety from crime increases, political apathy decreases, happiness decreases, ideological radicality increases, defense funding increases, law and order funding increases, employment increases, environmental beauty decreases slightly, insurance industry expands
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:27 pm

Singapore no2 wrote:[desc] Last night, cleaners working in @@CAPITAL@@ Central Train Station discovered a bomb hidden in one of its many dustbins. Following this shocking discovery, a sweep of the capital was conducted, and illegal weapons and explosive devices were found to be concealed in a large number of trash cans.
Would the terrorists really plant that many bombs without ever detonating any?

Trash cans get emptied once a week or so, so you're only going to hide a bomb in them if you want to blow something up soon.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:30 pm

I like this issue, A LOT. IT could prbably lead to an issue of the consequeces of having no bins. But option 2, wjy would cleaners be put out of the job? They would still need to clean. Toilets, benches, floors etc. don't clean themselves. Also, wouldn't someone need to pick up all the litter created by taking away garbage bins? If anything, it will make their lives a lot more difficult
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Postby A Humanist Prognostication » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:47 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Singapore no2 wrote:[desc] Last night, cleaners working in @@CAPITAL@@ Central Train Station discovered a bomb hidden in one of its many dustbins. Following this shocking discovery, a sweep of the capital was conducted, and illegal weapons and explosive devices were found to be concealed in a large number of trash cans.
Would the terrorists really plant that many bombs without ever detonating any?

Trash cans get emptied once a week or so, do you're only going to hide a bomb in them if you want to blow something up soon.


I can see how planting a bunch of bombs around town to be intentionally discovered and disarmed, as a sorts of "see what I could have done if I really wanted to," might be even more terrorizing than an actual explosion.

Of course, the [desc] should be suitably updated if this was the intended set-up.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:14 pm

Trotterdam wrote:
Singapore no2 wrote:[desc] Last night, cleaners working in @@CAPITAL@@ Central Train Station discovered a bomb hidden in one of its many dustbins. Following this shocking discovery, a sweep of the capital was conducted, and illegal weapons and explosive devices were found to be concealed in a large number of trash cans.
Would the terrorists really plant that many bombs without ever detonating any?

Trash cans get emptied once a week or so, do you're only going to hide a bomb in them if you want to blow something up soon


But garbage bins have SUCCESFULLY been used to hide bombs atleast once, so it's a very real possibility/

ACTUALLY: After a quick Google search of "trash can bombings" it happens often enough fto actually warrant governments to fear it and take away garbage bins. This is actually happening now in real life. It's not even a case of "in the unlikely event of", it actually happens. Garbage bins have been used as place to detonate bombs frequently enough to warrant concern (seriously, Google trash can bombings)
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For this reason, Sydney's underground train stations have clear garbage bins, which, is an obvious solution, but you know, obvious solutions and govenments don't mix (Except in the situation, where the railways are govt. owned). Which probably is why they're taking more and more bins away.
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Postby Singapore no2 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:51 pm

Progress update 1:

*Added line about panicking citizens in [desc]
*Edited some effects
*Cleaner is now a bin cleaner
*Corrected some spelling errors
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:58 pm

Singapore no2 wrote:Progress update 1:

*Added line about panicking citizens in [desc]
*Edited some effects
*Cleaner is now a bin cleaner
*Corrected some spelling errors

Ha? Who hires someone to clean just bins but nothing else. Also, like I said, either way, they would be used to clean litter. But clear garbage bins are the OBVIOUS solution, why WOULDN'T you pick it?
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Postby Singapore no2 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:06 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Singapore no2 wrote:Progress update 1:

*Added line about panicking citizens in [desc]
*Edited some effects
*Cleaner is now a bin cleaner
*Corrected some spelling errors

Ha? Who hires someone to clean just bins but nothing else. Also, like I said, either way, they would be used to clean litter. But clear garbage bins are the OBVIOUS solution, why WOULDN'T you pick it?

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Option 1 is a LKY-style policy. And nations really do this.
Option 2 is completely sensible, but doesn't provide citizens with the impression of security they desire. (some citizens would like to see patrolling officers, not cleaners armed with brooms and dustpans)
Option 3 is rather ridiculous, and all issues need one of those.
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Postby Trotterdam » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:45 pm

Australian Republic, please respond to what I actually said.
Australian Republic wrote:Trash cans get emptied once a week or so, so you're only going to hide a bomb in them if you want to blow something up soon.
I am fairly sure my one-letter typo was not the source of confusion.

Yes, terrorists do hide bombs in trash cans. They do so when they want to actually blow up something near that trash can in the very near future, not just as a way to stash their equipment for later retrieval like some kind of buried pirate treasure.

The draft's premise, of there being a large number of explosives hidden all over many trash cans in @@CAPITAL@@, would only make sense if the terrorists were planning a massive, superbly-organized coordinated multiple attack today, which only barely failed due to being detected in the nick of time.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:56 pm

Trotterdam wrote:Australian Republic, please respond to what I actually said.
Australian Republic wrote:Trash cans get emptied once a week or so, so you're only going to hide a bomb in them if you want to blow something up soon.
I am fairly sure my one-letter typo was not the source of confusion.

Yes, terrorists do hide bombs in trash cans. They do so when they want to actually blow up something near that trash can in the very near future, not just as a way to stash their equipment for later retrieval like some kind of buried pirate treasure.

The draft's premise, of there being a large number of explosives hidden all over many trash cans in @@CAPITAL@@, would only make sense if the terrorists were planning a massive, superbly-organized coordinated multiple attack today, which only barely failed due to being detected in the nick of time.

This was in the city's biggest train station, which is a big deal if a single bomb went off. But they could be bombing some big government or corporate meeting
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Postby Singapore no2 » Sat Apr 08, 2017 12:12 am

Progress update 2:

*Further changes to the description were made to clarify the severity of the current situation at hand
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Apr 08, 2017 2:42 am

A Humanist Prognostication wrote:
Trotterdam wrote:Would the terrorists really plant that many bombs without ever detonating any?

Trash cans get emptied once a week or so, do you're only going to hide a bomb in them if you want to blow something up soon.


I can see how planting a bunch of bombs around town to be intentionally discovered and disarmed, as a sorts of "see what I could have done if I really wanted to," might be even more terrorizing than an actual explosion.

Of course, the [desc] should be suitably updated if this was the intended set-up.

Or it could just be a really idiotic terrorist/s
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Postby Singapore no2 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:40 am

Can I submit this?
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Postby Katalaysia » Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:27 am

I'd wait another week. I consider 2 weeks minimum to be a rule of thumb for how long to wait before submission.
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Postby Singapore no2 » Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:21 pm

Katalaysia wrote:I'd wait another week. I consider 2 weeks minimum to be a rule of thumb for how long to wait before submission.

Alright.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Fri Apr 14, 2017 8:33 pm

Bin cleaners wouldn't be put out of the job, they would just become litter cleaners, which would make their job a lot harder
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Postby Singapore no2 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:10 am

Update 3:

*Binned the bin cleaner idea. It's now just the cleaner complaining about all the extra work that has to be done.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:46 am

EPA=/= Cleaners
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Postby Singapore no2 » Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:38 pm

Australian Republic wrote:EPA=/= Cleaners

But the cleaners are hired under the EPA... ...

Well, alright, I'll change the effects for that option.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:18 pm

Singapore no2 wrote:
Australian Republic wrote:EPA=/= Cleaners

But the cleaners are hired under the EPA... ...

Well, alright, I'll change the effects for that option.

No, cleaners are hired by the company
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Postby Belinos » Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:20 am

What's EPA?

Anyway, this issue seems too Americentric. In my country, only stores tend to have trash bins. And they're usually kept locked.

Public trash cans are of the type that makes it impossible to get anything out of them without proper tools. Because they're metal, and the receptacle is so small that you couldn't fit your hand in them. Even if you managed to cram in a pistol somehow..
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Postby Singapore no2 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:04 am

Belinos wrote:What's EPA?

Anyway, this issue seems too Americentric. In my country, only stores tend to have trash bins. And they're usually kept locked.

Public trash cans are of the type that makes it impossible to get anything out of them without proper tools. Because they're metal, and the receptacle is so small that you couldn't fit your hand in them. Even if you managed to cram in a pistol somehow..

This is based on a debate in Singapore a long while back, but... ... okay.

And besides, it's set in your capital, which should be sufficiently built up to have public dustbins.

Not all of them are entirely metal, and the bins that are in ulu places wouldn't be searched frequently, and the holes of the average dumpster, wastebin or trash can should be large enough to fit your whole arm through. (While admittedly looking a bit suspicious).
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Postby Australian rePublic » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:11 am

Belinos wrote:What's EPA?

Anyway, this issue seems too Americentric. .

.

You do know that Singapore no. 2 is actually from Singapore right? I don't even know whether or not he/she has even been toAmerica
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Postby Singapore no2 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:16 pm

Australian Republic wrote:
Belinos wrote:What's EPA?

Anyway, this issue seems too Americentric. .

.

You do know that Singapore no. 2 is actually from Singapore right? I don't even know whether or not he/she has even been toAmerica

Yeah, I've never left Asia at any point in time.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:28 am

Option 3. Wait? Are they bombs or guns?
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