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What should the government of the DTDV do?

Listen to the citizens and outlaw the CNP if the referendum reaches the required number of signatures (70% of the population ~ 28 million)
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35%
Increase the required number of signatures from 70% to 75% (30 million)
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1%
Increase the required number of signatures from 70% to 80% (32 million)
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Increase the required number of signatures from 70% to 85% (34 million)
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1%
Increase the required number of signatures from 70% to 90% (36 million)
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Don't outlaw the CNP even if 100% of the population signs the petition
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Petition to Outlaw the Capitalism Now! Party

Postby Valgora » Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:24 pm

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Due to the increasing hatred for the Capitalism Now! Party of Valgora and the increasing number of petitions to outlaw the "party", the government of the Derpy Technocratic Democracy of Valgora has decided to let the citizens of Valgora decide.

If the petition reaches 70% of the population's signatures, which is about 28 million, then the government will outlaw the Capitalism Now! Party.

The government is awaiting international reactions.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:27 pm

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We will Condemn you for your attempt at banning capitalism in Valgora. We in Kendor, had suffered because of our communist government, and capitalism is our salvation. We know that you will say capitalism is bad, but that's because Valgora's capitalism are unregulated and misleaded. In Kendor, we regulate capitalism, and make sure that all members of the classes have better life, including the "proletariats" and the poor. In fact, you will be surprised that we hated capitalist parties that promise to oppress their people economically, politically, and in their human rights.

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Postby Lardingo » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:33 pm

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Lardingo urges Valgora to take into consideration the rights and wishes of the minority (In this case, members of the Capitalism Now! Party). Outlawing political parties that a majority of citizens disagree with is one of the first steps on the slippery path to mob rule by that majority. Lardingo hopes that the government of Valgora will, instead of egging the petitioners on, remind them that everyone's political belief should be respected.


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Postby The American Commonwealth » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:47 pm

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The American Commonwealth strongly opposes the outlawing of any non-violent political organization what so ever. It seems improbable that if 70% or more of a national population to oppose a group, such as the CNP, and the group to gain great control over any portion of the nation. If the outlawing is to continue, the State Department will impose sanctions on the Martröð Tunglið government.

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Postby Volitopia » Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:48 pm

President Alexander of Volitopia wishes to re-iterate Lardingo's words in agreement, adding -

"The point of democracy is to obtain the wishes of the majority for the good of all, while protecting the minorities. Once the minorities are gone, what's the point of the democracy? You cannot have a good debate, election, or law passed without someone to oppose, refine, and point out flaws in you/your ideas.

It's the nature of people to organize themselves into little groups, and restricting certain groups for no reason other than the satisfaction of the majority is a dangerous step towards mobs and anarchy; or mobs and a controlled populace, as when one is in a frenzy of self-righteous justice, you do not rationalize, and baseless accusations by intelligent manipulators can lead this mob into doing whatever the mob headers call for.

I understand my last statement was of a slippy-slope argument, but it is still a possibility which can occur, given time and intelligence in certain places. To Valgora and its citizens, no matter how annoying these people may be, or how stupid their ideologies, if they desire peace and are not of violent character, give them a chance to speak."
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Postby Populi-Terrae » Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:46 pm

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs has said:

"We value our friendship with Valgora. However, we cannot tolerate the outlawing of a legitimate political party. This will make Valgora look like they are crushing dissent in their country in favour of a supreme, unlimited government"
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VALGORAN PETITION TO OUTLAW THE CNP


The government of Valgora finds itself in a dilemma of both choices being undemocratic. On one hoof, there's the outlawing of the Capitalism Now! Party of Valgora and on the other there's the ignoring of the citizens.

According to opinion polls, the vast majority of Valgorans (greater than 99%) hate the CNP. This amount of hatred and the growing number of petitions to outlaw the CNP has caused the government to decide that if a petition gains 70% of the population's signatures, then the CNP will be outlawed. Within a few hours, 1 million signatures are already on the petition.

The government of the Derpy Technocratic Democracy of Valgora is not supporting any argument for or against this petition and most government officials refuse to talk about it. One official was willing to let us know that the government is unsure of what to do because both options are anti-democratic.

Much of the international community has voiced their opinions on the petition, with the most outspoken being against the outlawing of the CNP despite what the citizens say. A poll shows that the majority support the petition with a few of that majority supporting raising the required 70% to something higher.
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Postby Vanadrene » Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:11 pm

The Communist Party of Vanadrene hereby officially endorses the outlawing of the "Capitalism Now!" Political Party in Valgora, in line with the views of the masses of proletarians in the nation proper. We implore the leadership of Valgora to consider protecting the gains they have made in the name of their people, for justice and socialism, and to remember that the Trojan horse of "political freedom" will inevitably lead to a gross counterrevolution by capitalist and fascistic forces who wish to crush international socialism. The savage forces of reaction will surely see their entry point should the Valgoran socialist leadership falter in the face of this challenge.
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Postby New Hyannis » Tue Mar 28, 2017 2:18 am

The day a single party is outlawed is the day freedom and true representation dies in Valgora.
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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:43 am

New Hyannis wrote:The day a single party is outlawed is the day freedom and true representation dies in Valgora.


A party has already been outlawed.
The Make Valgora Great Again Party was outlawed because it was a fascist party.
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Valgora wrote:The Make Valgora Great Again Party was outlawed because it was a fascist party.


Then the real fascists have already won. The blocking of factions opposed to them from public discourse is straight from the fascist playbook.

As is the use of "the greater good" as an excuse, before you try that route.
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Postby Pherdistan » Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:39 pm

At any rate, shouldn't this be a referendum instead of a petition? Usually, petitions are used to kickstart referendums, which then have their own quotas. Or did things develop differently in Valgora? Also, what's the cutoff date for signatures?

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Postby Valgora » Tue Mar 28, 2017 1:43 pm

Pherdistan wrote:
At any rate, shouldn't this be a referendum instead of a petition? Usually, petitions are used to kickstart referendums, which then have their own quotas. Or did things develop differently in Valgora? Also, what's the cutoff date for signatures?


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It's basically a referendum that's being called a petition. Think of it as more or less both a petition and a referendum. The reason why it's being called a petition is because the Valgoran government said if the next petition gets 70% of the population's signatures on it, then the CNP will be outlawed. There have been about 20 petitions, each with 1 million to 2 million votes, before this.

It would be referendum if Parliament decided to outlaw the CNP; however, since the government hasn't decided to outlaw the CNP, it counts as a petition.

And the cutoff date for signatures is 1 month (not IRL time).

Also, the reason for the poll is to get some ideas from the international community. The government doesn't really know what to do because both choices are undemocratic.
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Postby Kirislavia » Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:07 pm

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Respected Comrades,

On behalf of the People's Republic of Kirislavia, I must beseech you to do the right thing and outlaw the Capitalism Now! party. Capitalist views are a dangerous cancer to society. To continue to give these anti-revolutionaries a platform in government on which they can spread these dangerous ideals, would be to endorse and legitimise their treachery.

Your citizens have the right idea here; it would be only right of you to listen to them.

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VALGORAN PETITION UPDATE


The petition to outlaw the Capitalism Now! Party is one day old and it has generated many responses from other world leaders. The largest group says that the government should choose the undemocratic option of not listening to the citizens; the second largest groups says that the Valgoran government should choose the undemocratic option of outlawing the CNP.

The one-day old petition has already acquired 6.4 million signatures.

LEADER OF VALGORA AGREES TO ANSWER QUESTIONS


The Leader of Valgora, Dr. Timotei Lininsson, has agreed to a quick press conference to answer some questions.

Question 1: What are your personal feelings about the idea of outlawing the CNP?

"I will not voice my opinions in order to keep from affecting the will of the citizens."

Question 2: How do you feel about all the negative feedback from other nations?

"No opinion."

Question 3: How do you feel about the fact that the nation of the American Commonwealth is threatening sanctions on the Valgoran government?

"I couldn't give less of a shit."
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Postby Devernia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:34 am

Hello,

We have not decided on our vote yet regarding the outlawing of the Capitalism Now! party, due to the fact that we currently have no information regarding this party, its policies, or any possible controversies that involved or still involving it. We request such data, so that we can make a more thought-out decision.

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The Advisory of Foreign Affairs, in response to the question of whether the "Capitalism Now!" Party should be outlawed if certain vote thresholds are reached, would like to note to the Valgoran government, and commentators that if 100% of all citizens sign the petition to outlaw the party, then the actual action of outlawing the party is redundant, given that it every member of the populace stands in opposition to it, and it thus lacks membership entirely, and thus questions the utility of any discussion as to whether or not the party ought to be banned if such a threshold is reached.

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Postby Valgora » Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:45 am

Devernia wrote:
Hello,

We have not decided on our vote yet regarding the outlawing of the Capitalism Now! party, due to the fact that we currently have no information regarding this party, its policies, or any possible controversies that involved or still involving it. We request such data, so that we can make a more thought-out decision.

Thank you.


To whom it may concern,

The Capitalism Now! Party is a "political party" that advocates for the restoration of capitalism. It is the right-libertarian party that wants to bring back capitalism - the other party that wants capitalism is the Independence Party which is a neoliberal party. The arguments to outlaw it are: it's a useless party with less than 1% support; it is willing to use violence to bring back capitalism; it wants to restore the very thing that many Valgorans risked their lives to get rid of.
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:01 am

Greetings and to whom it may concern,

HM Vægnnjr Ðispoina I, Praise Be Upon Her, has stated that the Valgoran government should listen to its people and outlaw the CNP should the referendum reach a minimum of 80%, or 32 million signatures. Her Majesty had taken into account the utter disdain for the party held by over 90% of the population. Valgora will suffer consequences for this, no doubt, but Her Majesty wishes the Valgorans peace and good luck.

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Postby Socialist Shamsiya » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:39 am

Greetings to whomever it may concern,

As we have taken notice of the discord you have ended up in, we decided to take up our position. Fully aware that you might get into conflict with non-socialist states, which you obviously, to quote from your last national newspaper, «couldn't give less of a shit» on, we recommend you to listen to your people's will. The sense of a referendum, in our opinion, is to have a clear view on what the people wants, and to obey this will, regardless of how dumb it might be.

Alternatively we suggest you to reform your system (on a long term of course), and establish a democratically elected organ getting by without political parties. In our nation we have practiced such a system for some decades with great success: Socialist Shamsiya's legislature is the so-called Supreme Council, a democratically elected Soviet-style council that has no political parties. You might consider switching to such a system on the long run -- of course only if your people appreciates this idea.

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Postby Valgora » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:48 am

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Greetings to whomever it may concern,

As we have taken notice of the discord you have ended up in, we decided to take up our position. Fully aware that you might get into conflict with non-socialist states, which you obviously, to quote from your last national newspaper, «couldn't give less of a shit» on, we recommend you to listen to your people's will. The sense of a referendum, in our opinion, is to have a clear view on what the people wants, and to obey this will, regardless of how dumb it might be.

Alternatively we suggest you to reform your system (on a long term of course), and establish a democratically elected organ getting by without political parties. In our nation we have practiced such a system for some decades with great success: Socialist Shamsiya's legislature is the so-called Supreme Council, a democratically elected Soviet-style council that has no political parties. You might consider switching to such a system on the long run -- of course only if your people appreciates this idea.

Yours sincerely,
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Dear Abdallah,

We thank you for giving your opinion on the current going ons in Valgora regarding the CNP.

I also wanted to give some information regarding how "political parties" work in Valgora. The political parties don't function like parties in other nations. A "party" is just a way to (more or less) organization government officials/politicians based on ideology. Political parties can't nominate anyone. Also, government officials/politicians can be in multiple parties; for example: I'm in the Libertarian Party, the Valgoran Marxist Party, and the Tree Huggers of Valgora - Valgora's version of a green party.

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The Valgorite government has a right to be stupid: it is a sovereign nation and, unfortunately, has the authority to shut down hostile ideologies.

While TurtleShroom condemns the outlawing of a rightist political party that lawfully engages in peaceful political action, we cannot issue any sanctions or penalties, because TurtleShroom itself outlaws National Socialist and Ponyist parties in the basis of ideology. We are not hypocrites and take no action.

However, we do suggest raising the threshold beyond seventy percent. If you are going to have tyranny of a majority, then one should definitely extend that majority to an overwhelming percentage.
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Postby TURTLESHROOM II » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:44 am

Valgora wrote:It is willing to use violence to bring back capitalism.


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Faced with this allegation, should it so prove true, then the TurtleShroomian government therefore supports the outlawing of the party by the Valgorite state. The use of violence to attain political goals is not acceptable, and all rioters and terrorists should be rapidly exterminated without mercy.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:44 am

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The Valgorite government has a right to be stupid: it is a sovereign nation and, unfortunately, has the authority to shut down hostile ideologies.

While TurtleShroom condemns the outlawing of a rightist political party that lawfully engages in peaceful political action, we cannot issue any sanctions or penalties, because TurtleShroom itself outlaws National Socialist and Ponyist parties in the basis of ideology. We are not hypocrites and take no action.

However, we do suggest raising the threshold beyond seventy percent. If you are going to have tyranny of a majority, then one should definitely extend that majority to an overwhelming percentage.

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