What are your opinions on conversion therapy?

[Populi-Terrae]

At this point in time, no one in the Western world seriously considers members of the LGBT community to have a mental illness. This designation was annulled by the World Health Organization on My 17th 1990 and most of the world has followed suit, encouraging homosexuals to be open about their sexuality and allowing the previously taboo topic to be widely discussed.

But before this, homosexuals were brutally tortured in practices collectively known as 'conversion therapy' in which a medical professional tries to 'convert' homosexuals from gay to straight. Some countries still practice this and some politicians, even in the US, still believe that conversion therapy works even though it does more harm than good (looking at you, Vice President Mike Pence). I, a straight supporter of the LGBT community, believes that conversion therapy is junk science and never worked in the first place.

But what do you all think? What are your opinions on conversion therapy? I especially encourage any gay members of the NS community to talk about possible experiences with conversion therapy.

[Valgora]

At this point in time, no one in the Western world seriously considers members of the LGBT community to have a mental illness.

Being transgender is actually a mental illness. The only cure is to get gender reassignment surgery.

And I believe that there are plenty of people in the "western world" who still consider any member of the LGBTQ community to have a mental illness.

[The Federation of Kendor]

At this point in time, no one in the Western world seriously considers members of the LGBT community to have a mental illness.

Being transgender is actually a mental illness. The only cure is to get gender reassignment surgery.

And I believe that there are plenty of people in the "western world" who still consider any member of the LGBTQ community to have a mental illness.

I think you will get warned for calling transgenderism a "mental illness"

Anyway, my opinion is I don't like LGBT's because it's not a common occurence, and thus not normal. In addition, it's unnatural. However, given any attempts at suppressing something will inevitable failed, and it's a bad action, and i'm a kind person, I think i'll let them do as they want.

Also, do you hate "western world", Valgora?

[Valgora]

Being transgender is actually a mental illness. The only cure is to get gender reassignment surgery.

And I believe that there are plenty of people in the "western world" who still consider any member of the LGBTQ community to have a mental illness.

I think you will get warned for calling transgenderism a "mental illness"

Anyway, my opinion is I don't like LGBT's because it's not a common occurence, and thus not normal. In addition, it's unnatural. However, given any attempts at suppressing something will inevitable failed, and it's a bad action, and i'm a kind person, I think i'll let them do as they want.

Also, do you hate "western world", Valgora?

The DSM lists transgenderism as a mental illness and the only cure is gender reassignment surgery so that the person can be the gender they feel like.

What do you mean do I hate "western world?"

Also, conversion therapy is idiotic and oppressive in my opinion.

[The Federation of Kendor]

I think you will get warned for calling transgenderism a "mental illness"

Anyway, my opinion is I don't like LGBT's because it's not a common occurence, and thus not normal. In addition, it's unnatural. However, given any attempts at suppressing something will inevitable failed, and it's a bad action, and i'm a kind person, I think i'll let them do as they want.

Also, do you hate "western world", Valgora?

The DSM lists transgenderism as a mental illness and the only cure is gender reassignment surgery so that the person can be the gender they feel like.

What do you mean do I hate "western world?"

Also, conversion therapy is idiotic and oppressive in my opinion.

Did you mean transgenderism is the "condition" and it's before the person change gender, while transgender is a term used if the person already change their sex.

You add the "" in Western World, which implies something not good about Western World

[Thermodolia]

At this point in time, no one in the Western world seriously considers members of the LGBT community to have a mental illness.

Being transgender is actually a mental illness. The only cure is to get gender reassignment surgery.

And I believe that there are plenty of people in the "western world" who still consider any member of the LGBTQ community to have a mental illness.

Mental disorder is what it's listed as not illness.

And OP conversion therapy is fucking stupid

[Valgora]

The DSM lists transgenderism as a mental illness and the only cure is gender reassignment surgery so that the person can be the gender they feel like.

What do you mean do I hate "western world?"

Also, conversion therapy is idiotic and oppressive in my opinion.

Did you mean transgenderism is the "condition" and it's before the person change gender, while transgender is a term used if the person already change their sex.

You add the "" in Western World, which implies something not good about Western World

Yes, I was using it to mean before the person changes their gender. I just didn't state it well enough.

And the "" in Western World is there because many people use Western World to describe developed countries.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It doesn't work. There's no cure to homosexuality or transsexuality in existence, as of yet, so, for now, those of us who reject the LGBT movement, we will have to settle for promoting self-control.

[Thermodolia]

It doesn't work. There's no cure to homosexuality or transsexuality in existence, as of yet, so, for now, those of us who reject the LGBT movement, we will have to settle for promoting self-control.

I have plenty more of self control thank you for asking.

[United Muscovite Nations]

It doesn't work. There's no cure to homosexuality or transsexuality in existence, as of yet, so, for now, those of us who reject the LGBT movement, we will have to settle for promoting self-control.

I have plenty more of self control thank you for asking.

I meant among LGBT people who don't wish to engage in such behavior, because of their beliefs. We should provide support to people in that position.

[Khasinkonia]

I think the use of conversion therapy to 'cure' non-straight sexualities and/or non-cis genders is comparable to the usage of shock therapy to cure depression. It doesn't really change the person's brain; it just causes them to hide their true selves to avoid being what can only be described as tortured. It may provide the illusion of being effective to people on the outside looking in, but it's nothing more than a façade at best, and at worst, punishment for something that an individual has little to no control over and isn't harmful in any way.

[Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire]

It does not work and its' usage should be discouraged or even outlawed.

[San Marlindo]

I disagree that any form of unorthodox (i.e. outside the norm of most people) sexuality or gender perception is a mental illness. That's a very lazy and over-simplified, over-dismissive explanation.

Conversion therapy is thus an unhelpful hoax.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I disagree that any form of unorthodox (i.e. outside the norm of most people) sexuality or gender perception is a mental illness. That's a very lazy and over-simplified, over-dismissive explanation.

Conversion therapy is thus an unhelpful hoax.

Well, to be fair, mental illness is an entirely invented category, so it's not like you look at a set of behaviors, and declare, yes, science tells us this is a mental illness. We usually define what is a mental illness based on undesirable behaviors being present.

[UKCS]

Being transgender is actually a mental illness. The only cure is to get gender reassignment surgery.

And I believe that there are plenty of people in the "western world" who still consider any member of the LGBTQ community to have a mental illness.

I think you will get warned for calling transgenderism a "mental illness"

Anyway, my opinion is I don't like LGBT's because it's not a common occurence, and thus not normal. In addition, it's unnatural. However, given any attempts at suppressing something will inevitable failed, and it's a bad action, and i'm a kind person, I think i'll let them do as they want.

Also, do you hate "western world", Valgora?

"Not a common occurence". I...i.... K then.....
No, no ,no. Not ignoring it.
So because it is uncommon (comparatively), would that mean...say, Native Americans, the Maori people and other such groups are also worthy of being hated?

As for my own opinions on conversion therapy, there is a special corner of hell for those so called "therapists".

[San Marlindo]

I disagree that any form of unorthodox (i.e. outside the norm of most people) sexuality or gender perception is a mental illness. That's a very lazy and over-simplified, over-dismissive explanation.

Conversion therapy is thus an unhelpful hoax.

Well, to be fair, mental illness is an entirely invented category, so it's not like you look at a set of behaviors, and declare, yes, science tells us this is a mental illness. We usually define what is a mental illness based on undesirable behaviors being present.

Yeah, I believe that too.

No one is truly normal. Every individual has their own set of what somebody else would perceive to be eccentricities and peculiarities.

As long as they're harmless, and not impeding one's basic ability to function as an otherwise peaceable human being, I see no reason to consider them symptoms of a disorder.

[Arcturus Novus]

It's some bullshit, 's what it is.

Being transgender is actually a mental illness. The only cure is to get gender reassignment surgery.

That is where you're wrong, my friend. The APA:
1) calls it gender dysphoria, not transgenderism. The latter is outdated and often offensive.
2) doesn't refer to it as mental illness because they acknowledge the issues associated with that.

Anyway, my opinion is I don't like LGBT's because it's not a common occurence, and thus not normal.

So is having green eyes, but people don't judge them.

In addition, it's unnatural.

Er, wrong.

However, given any attempts at suppressing something will inevitable failed, and it's a bad action, and i'm a kind person, I think i'll let them do as they want.

Thank you ever so much for "letting us" lowly LGBT people continue our lives. How shall we repay you?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Well, to be fair, mental illness is an entirely invented category, so it's not like you look at a set of behaviors, and declare, yes, science tells us this is a mental illness. We usually define what is a mental illness based on undesirable behaviors being present.

Yeah, I believe that too.

No one is truly normal. Every individual has their own set of what somebody else would perceive to be eccentricities and peculiarities.

As long as they're harmless, and not impeding one's basic ability to function as an otherwise peaceable human being, I see no reason to consider them symptoms of a disorder.

Then you have to define what is harm, and different societies have different opinions on that. Up until relatively recently, homosexuality was considered a mental illness (and, in many parts of the world, still is considered one), because it was looked down on by society. It was mainly social, rather than psychological, reasons that got it taken off. None of the sexual orientations (heterosexuality, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc) are fundamentally different, it's just that some are considered undesirable (and for good reason). I worry that, as societies ideas of what is undesirable change, we will become even more libertarian, and far worse things than homosexuality will be legalized and considered normal.

[Antoura]

A barbaric practice rooted in ignorance and fear.

[Silveles]

Well gee, it doesn't work, like objectively speaking...

[Antoura]

Then you have to define what is harm, and different societies have different opinions on that. Up until relatively recently, homosexuality was considered a mental illness (and, in many parts of the world, still is considered one), because it was looked down on by society.

That depends entirely on the society you are talking about. In many parts of the world homosexual relationships were considered normal. In most parts of the world where it is still looked down upon, this is because of vestigial remnants of a Victorian morality that was imposed by colonial regimes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Then you have to define what is harm, and different societies have different opinions on that. Up until relatively recently, homosexuality was considered a mental illness (and, in many parts of the world, still is considered one), because it was looked down on by society. It was mainly social, rather than psychological, reasons that got it taken off. None of the sexual orientations (heterosexuality, homosexuality, pedophilia, etc) are fundamentally different, it's just that some are considered undesirable (and for good reason). I worry that, as societies ideas of what is undesirable change, we will become even more libertarian, and far worse things than homosexuality will be legalized and considered normal.

Jesus, not the "accepting homosexuality is a slippery slope that leads to accepting pedophilia" argument again. You're smarter than that, UMN.

I'm not saying it will, I'm saying that the precedent exists now for such a thing. The only reason it isn't allowed is social custom, and we've now proven that social acceptability is malleable.

[Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire]

Jesus, not the "accepting homosexuality is a slippery slope that leads to accepting pedophilia" argument again. You're smarter than that, UMN.

I'm not saying it will, I'm saying that the precedent exists now for such a thing. The only reason it isn't allowed is social custom, and we've now proven that social acceptability is malleable.

I was under the impression that social acceptability was long ago proven malleable.

[Donut section]

Let people do what they want.

[Antoura]

I'm not saying it will, I'm saying that the precedent exists now for such a thing. The only reason it isn't allowed is social custom, and we've now proven that social acceptability is malleable.

I was under the impression that social acceptability was long ago proven malleable.

Yes, anything based on social conventions is by definition malleable.