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Do Men and Boys Need Re-education?

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Is masculinity toxic?

No. Men have worked at trying to be better husbands, fathers and friends. Masculinity is good.
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No. Traditional masculinity is good in many ways.
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No. However masculinity is a wide ranging rainbow of possibilities
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Yes. Masculinity as traditionally conceived causes violence and towards both women and men
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Yes. However masculinity is a complex subject. (please explain in post)
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Other. (pleae explain in post)
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New Edom
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Do Men and Boys Need Re-education?

Postby New Edom » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:29 pm

Well, the University of Wisconsin-Madison thinks so! A Men's Project course being offered proposes stuff like this:

Johnson said one goal for the Men’s Project is to ultimately prevent future violence by teaching participants to recognize warning signs of unhealthy interactions. The program will also give insights to facilitators and staff about perceptions of masculinity and how they impact the student experience, including gender-based violence on campus, alcohol, vulnerability, media sexuality, and relationships.


By 'gender based violence' I take it that this program means men and men alone cause violence. Even if I agreed with that, I'm doubtful that this is the way to deal with it.

Anyway I'm curious: do people here think this is a good idea? Personally I don't think so. I have found in teaching children and teens that it's far more important to have a clear set of teachings about ethics than it is to teach stuff like this which I find vague and confusing. Establishing values about how people ought to treat one another and expect to be treated has to be clear and succinct. Most human beings are going to turn out to be masculine and feminine; it's simply biology. That is what I believe.

I'm listing a couple more articles on the subject as well.

Male college students to undergo ‘critical self-reflection’ of masculinity
Male students told "be a man" represents toxic masculinity"

Be advised: while I have definite opinions on this, I'm quite open to discussing others. However I'm going to ignore posts that are just attacks on my character or suspect me of putting this thread up for no good reason. If you're not interested in the subject I recommend finding somewhere else to post.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:32 pm

Radical feminism strikes again!
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Postby Hesse Darmstadt » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:32 pm

No we need to restore the Patriarchy.
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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:33 pm

no.
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
in this day and age it's both.
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Postby Linux and the X » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:34 pm

Yes.
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Postby Hesse Darmstadt » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:35 pm

Linux and the X wrote:Yes.

No
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Hesse Darmstadt wrote:
Linux and the X wrote:Yes.

No


^ Yes
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Postby Euphisia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Yet another 'higher learning' institution let's a program drag it from a respectable status to a sub-par PC stench with the tinges of extreme feminism and underlying gender stereotyping or outright lying necessary to completely swat all signs of intelligence out the ballpark.

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Postby Euphisia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:36 pm

Linux and the X wrote:Yes.

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Postby Hesse Darmstadt » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:37 pm

Women should learn their place.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:37 pm

Euphisia wrote:Yet another 'higher learning' institution let's a program drag it from a respectable status to a sub-par PC stench with the tinges of extreme feminism and underlying gender stereotyping or outright lying necessary to completely swat all signs of intelligence out the ballpark.


[College liberals approaching]
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:37 pm

I'm gonna go with no.
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Postby Euphisia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:37 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Hesse Darmstadt wrote:No


^ Yes

I find this amusing as your signature says you're fully against the PC movement, even though something like this fits the bill to some extent.

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Postby Amuaplye » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:38 pm

I don't think they need re-education.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:38 pm

Euphisia wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
^ Yes

I find this amusing as your signature says you're fully against the PC movement, even though something like this fits the bill to some extent.


?
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Postby Hesse Darmstadt » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:39 pm

Amuaplye wrote:I don't think they need re-education.

No shit they don't.
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Postby Gurori » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:39 pm

If it's not done in an extreme manner I don't really care.

But it's not just males who cause violence.
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Postby Euphisia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:41 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Euphisia wrote:I find this amusing as your signature says you're fully against the PC movement, even though something like this fits the bill to some extent.


?

I misread-understood, beat me with your club, I deserve it.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:41 pm

Let's settle ourselves here until someone comes to defend this crap. It's Murphy Law on its finest.
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Postby Gurori » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:43 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:Let's settle ourselves here until someone comes to defend this crap. It's Murphy Law on its finest.


Unless Godwin's Law comes first, which is unlikely but still possible.
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Re-education?!

Postby Estilir » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:44 pm

TBH the majority of women need a bit of re-education. useless, inhospitable, homely blue haired losers in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a female studies major. no society ever survived with women such as these, it simply cannot survive. Women need to resume their place in the home and men in the workplace, where the majority of both are happiest. the family unit is KEY to a free, functional society and woman not doing their jobs as housewives and mothers and men not doing their jobs as providers and protectors are sapping the west of its freedom and functionality.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:45 pm

Gurori wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Let's settle ourselves here until someone comes to defend this crap. It's Murphy Law on its finest.


Unless Godwin's Law comes first, which is unlikely but still possible.


This re-education proposal is hitlerist in my opinion.

Well shit, it already happened.
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Postby Somewherica » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:47 pm

Gurori wrote:If it's not done in an extreme manner I don't really care.

But it's not just males who cause violence.

Indeed.
In my experience a woman will kill a man twice as fast, and for half the provocation a man normally kills other men. However, for consolation she will feel at least twice as guilty for doing it.
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Postby Euphisia » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:48 pm

Estilir wrote:TBH the majority of women need a bit of re-education. useless, inhospitable, homely blue haired losers in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a female studies major. no society ever survived with women such as these, it simply cannot survive. Women need to resume their place in the home and men in the workplace, where the majority of both are happiest. the family unit is KEY to a free, functional society and woman not doing their jobs as housewives and mothers and men not doing their jobs as providers and protectors are sapping the west of its freedom and functionality.

What is really sapping the west of its freedom and functionality is this cancerous growth of PC culture that deems everyone is special, freedom of speech is overrated, and if you offend anyone you need to be burned at the stake.

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Postby Kazarogkai » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:55 pm

Estilir wrote:TBH the majority of women need a bit of re-education. useless, inhospitable, homely blue haired losers in hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt for a female studies major. no society ever survived with women such as these, it simply cannot survive. Women need to resume their place in the home and men in the workplace, where the majority of both are happiest. the family unit is KEY to a free, functional society and woman not doing their jobs as housewives and mothers and men not doing their jobs as providers and protectors are sapping the west of its freedom and functionality.


That doesn't seem to be the word that goes with your overall statement. I'm thinking "moral fabric" or something along those lines but I digress. You do you bruh.
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