[PASSED] Commend Candlewhisper Archive

[Yohannes]

or because I'm a game reformer rather than a preserver of the status quo, or because I riled them up with some nasty comment at some stage.

The result of activity is that you acquire supporters and detractors. I'd rather be divisive and an agent of change, then beloved and ineffectual.

Voted for! I especially love the status quo and divisive and agent of change part. You speak from the heart and you don't try to beat around the bush. You stand up for what you believe in although you know others will condemn you for it. Hope to see more amazing work from you (and possibly argue with you) in future!

I don't believe in cults of personality, I believe in minimising power distance, and I believe in challenging the status quo and challenging authority, even when I am in that position of authority.

Hear, hear!

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

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We are astonished and impressed that the WA is entertaining a good resolution!

Upon reviewing Candlewhisper's achievements, we are impressed that it has one of the lowest rates of taxation in the world, as well as high levels of secularism and scientific achievement. This member clearly deserves praise for its efforts.

Based on our limited information, we will provisionally vote for this commendation, with the hope that there is nothing to tarnish this record, and with the expectation that Candlewhisper will strive to eradicate all forms of taxes.

[Oakrugia]

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We are astonished and impressed that the WA is entertaining a good resolution!

Upon reviewing Candlewhisper's achievements, we are impressed that it has one of the lowest rates of taxation in the world, as well as high levels of secularism and scientific achievement. This member clearly deserves praise for its efforts.

Based on our limited information, we will provisionally vote for this commendation, with the hope that there is nothing to tarnish this record, and with the expectation that Candlewhisper will strive to eradicate all forms of taxes.

Why are you bringing up his NS stats? What matters is about his contribution within the NationStates community. NS stats don't really matter.

[Willania Imperium]

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We are astonished and impressed that the WA is entertaining a good resolution!

Upon reviewing Candlewhisper's achievements, we are impressed that it has one of the lowest rates of taxation in the world, as well as high levels of secularism and scientific achievement. This member clearly deserves praise for its efforts.

Based on our limited information, we will provisionally vote for this commendation, with the hope that there is nothing to tarnish this record, and with the expectation that Candlewhisper will strive to eradicate all forms of taxes.

Why are you bringing up NS stats? It's not the main reason for this commendation. Barely anyone brings up NS stats! Why should we care for that? It has literally no value by the NS community!

Plus, I feel that just 3 issues isn't a good requirement. Perhaps more issues and involvement in RP is impressive. A leader in raiding is worthy of one on the other side. But just 3 issues? That's just too little! Not only that, but the author and nominee have voted against it! Really think about that! If something that targets a nominee has its creator and nominee against it, it's most likely not good!

In summary, we are against it.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

This message was delayed due to malicious censorship by so-called moderation.

We are astonished and impressed that the WA is entertaining a good resolution!

Upon reviewing Candlewhisper's achievements, we are impressed that it has one of the lowest rates of taxation in the world, as well as high levels of secularism and scientific achievement. This member clearly deserves praise for its efforts.

Based on our limited information, we will provisionally vote for this commendation, with the hope that there is nothing to tarnish this record, and with the expectation that Candlewhisper will strive to eradicate all forms of taxes.

Why are you bringing up his NS stats? What matters is about his contribution within the NationStates community. NS stats don't really matter.

The only contribution that DOES matter is being committed to the right principles. Stats provide one easily accessible measure of that commitment.

If members DON'T consider commitment to the right principles, it is THOSE MEMBERS who don't matter.

[Eldrahar]

My issue with this is both that it seems like a rather useless proposal, and that we are taking about a member of the staff. Not sure if this legal anyways, and haven't seen any good reason to actually approve this.

[Willania Imperium]

Why are you bringing up his NS stats? What matters is about his contribution within the NationStates community. NS stats don't really matter.

The only contribution that DOES matter is being committed to the right principles. Stats provide one easily accessible measure of that commitment.

If members DON'T consider commitment to the right principles, it is THOSE MEMBERS who don't matter.

Not true. NS stats can be easily warped to be NOT what the player believes in. What’s preventing a liberal player for choosing a conservative option? There’s very little stopping it. Plus, just because YOU think something is right DOESN’T mean it’s right. A totalitarian racist person can think genocide is right, but that DOESN’T make him right. Why should your ideals be right just because you thought of that?

[Wrapper]

My issue with this is both that it seems like a rather useless proposal, and that we are taking about a member of the staff. Not sure if this legal anyways, and haven't seen any good reason to actually approve this.

Emphasis added. For the record....

[The Atlae Isles]

Why are you bringing up NS stats? It's not the main reason for this commendation. Barely anyone brings up NS stats! Why should we care for that? It has literally no value by the NS community!

Plus, I feel that just 3 issues isn't a good requirement. Perhaps more issues and involvement in RP is impressive. A leader in raiding is worthy of one on the other side. But just 3 issues? That's just too little! Not only that, but the author and nominee have voted against it! Really think about that! If something that targets a nominee has its creator and nominee against it, it's most likely not good!

In summary, we are against it.

Many in the Got Issues? Discord server are laughing at people whose logic seems to be “ERMAGERD CWA AND THE AUTHOR VOTED AGAINST.” It’s even more funny/frustrating since CWA even posted why he voted against.

Furthermore, CWA is a senior issues editor. Of course he’s edited and authored more than THREE. However, mod interpretation of R1 prevents the coverage of most of his issues. You have to read the context.

For the record, NS stats are a bad reason to commend and should ideally be mentioned in passing, if at all.

[Fauxia]

Why are you bringing up NS stats? It's not the main reason for this commendation. Barely anyone brings up NS stats! Why should we care for that? It has literally no value by the NS community!

Plus, I feel that just 3 issues isn't a good requirement. Perhaps more issues and involvement in RP is impressive. A leader in raiding is worthy of one on the other side. But just 3 issues? That's just too little! Not only that, but the author and nominee have voted against it! Really think about that! If something that targets a nominee has its creator and nominee against it, it's most likely not good!

In summary, we are against it.

Many in the Got Issues? Discord server are laughing at people whose logic seems to be “ERMAGERD CWA AND THE AUTHOR VOTED AGAINST.” It’s even more funny/frustrating since CWA even posted why he voted against.

Furthermore, CWA is a senior issues editor. Of course he’s edited and authored more than THREE. However, mod interpretation of R1 prevents the coverage of most of his issues. You have to read the context.

For the record, NS stats are a bad reason to commend and should ideally be mentioned in passing, if at all.

32 issues technically. Less only than Nation of Quebec and Max himself

[Aclion]

I've seen this brought up repeatedly. It's not the number of issue authored by CWA that is the problem, it's that the proposal is suggesting authoring three issues is sufficient for a commendation when really the reason has gotten any traction at all is CWA work as an editor. Remember that the security council is not supposed to commend people for being staff. If we go around passing commendations of editors for staff actions; just skirting around the rules not mentioning those actions in the commendations then that will justify the reasoning for the initial ban on these sorts of proposals.

[Chan Island]

One of the most well deserved commendations in history. Gladly voting FOR.

[Helaw]

I've seen this brought up repeatedly. It's not the number of issue authored by CWA that is the problem, it's that the proposal is suggesting authoring three issues is sufficient for a commendation when really the reason has gotten any traction at all is CWA work as an editor. Remember that the security council is not supposed to commend people for being staff. If we go around passing commendations of editors for staff actions; just skirting around the rules not mentioning those actions in the commendations then that will justify the reasoning for the initial ban on these sorts of proposals.

There are a few possibilities, when you look at it logically.

Either:

a. The voterbase thinks 3 Issues is absolutely worthy of a Commendation, and you should start drafting your countless author Commendations right now. (The Commendation apocalypse is nigh, go home to your families.)
b. The voterbase doesn't think 3 Issues are enough, but believes that CWA's unmentioned contributions make the award worth it.
c. Lemmings have invaded NationStates, and are following each other into clicking the 'Vote For' button. (This would arise after one of the ones above.)
d. All of the above.

On b: If this is the case, which it does seem to largely be, why have the rule that restricted this resolution in the first place? If people commonly make judgements based on outside factors anyway, then why not let those factors be mentioned within the boundaries of R4? It's a problem of explicitly Commending someone for staff actions, and implicitly doing so. I'm not sure there's any practical difference. Either way, you're giving them an award for it, and down the line people will have to figure out why this resolution passed somehow, eventually reaching the obvious conclusion: This resolution passed because of CWA's staff activities, and the non-staff activities that he performed whilst being a member of staff. The rule just demands faff now, and everyone's clued in on what's actually going on here.

A counter-argument might be, "most of the userbase doesn't do extra research and thus will vote according to the resolution's independent merits", which I don't believe is true. Even if it was, you have to consider the lemming effect; Delegates are much more likely to do research and make a decision based on unmentioned activity, and many voters will just follow them, meaning that these votes absolutely came as a result of outside research though not always directly. We will have no way of knowing whether or not this counter-argument applies in this case anyway though, unless someone wants to send out a survey to voters or something.

[Imperium Anglorum]

b. The voterbase doesn't think 3 Issues are enough, but believes that CWA's unmentioned contributions make the award worth it.

On a personal basis, I would support this commendation. CWA's efforts are so large to warrant recognition. I think most informed voters also voted with this being the presumption.

And given that is the case, the prohibition on commendations for editing issues seems very much a fiction. However that is, it is very much in line with legislation of all sorts. When laws are passed, there generally aren't long preambles explaining why they are necessary. All that is done outside of the legal text in hearings, floor debates, etc. Given Rule 1 is now so obviously a legal fiction, I concur in that it should be removed or loosened.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

So happy that this resolution is about to be passed. Even more happy that it is annoying the members who are more concerned with pointless rules and policies of elitist programs than they are about human rights and progress

Congratulations, Candlewhisper!

[The Atlae Isles]

So happy that this resolution is about to be passed. Even more happy that it is annoying the members who are more concerned with pointless rules and policies of elitist programs than they are about human rights and progress

Congratulations, Candlewhisper!

I’m glad that the commendation passed too, but the SC isn’t really focused on human rights. The GA is more focused on that.

[Fauxia]

So happy that this resolution is about to be passed. Even more happy that it is annoying the members who are more concerned with pointless rules and policies of elitist programs than they are about human rights and progress

Congratulations, Candlewhisper!

This commendation has nothing to do with human rights

[Drasnia]

So happy that this resolution is about to be passed. Even more happy that it is annoying the members who are more concerned with pointless rules and policies of elitist programs than they are about human rights and progress

Congratulations, Candlewhisper!

This commendation has nothing to do with human rights

Now transhumanist ones on the other hand . . .

[Oakrugia]

So happy that this resolution is about to be passed. Even more happy that it is annoying the members who are more concerned with pointless rules and policies of elitist programs than they are about human rights and progress

Congratulations, Candlewhisper!

You know, not everything is about us if you're more concerned than the person being commended. And I believe that "the human rights" thing belongs in the GA. Not here.

[FreethinkingAnarchists ResidingWherever]

"This isn't about human rights!!! You don't understand our silly political games! We don't HAVE to care about basic right and wrong - this is just about game play and blah blah blah"

Meanwhile I'm still right and the commendation is all but secured and there's nothing you can do about it

[Oakrugia]

"This isn't about human rights!!! You don't understand our silly political games! We don't HAVE to care about basic right and wrong - this is just about game play and blah blah blah"

Meanwhile I'm still right and the commendation is all but secured and there's nothing you can do about it

Of course we want this proposal to be passed. This isn't all about you, and btw:

"...are more concerned with pointless rules and policies of elitist programs than they are about human rights and progress."

I'm sorry, but you're pretty ignorant at what I'm trying to say, and I never said this is about gameplay and anything else. You're not wrong nor right, nor this isn't funny.

[Abhichandra]

Commend Candlewhisper Archive was passed 11,063 votes to 3,983.

[Fauxia]

"This isn't about human rights!!! You don't understand our silly political games! We don't HAVE to care about basic right and wrong - this is just about game play and blah blah blah"

Meanwhile I'm still right and the commendation is all but secured and there's nothing you can do about it

“Glad to see the nation of Candlewhisper Archive commended. Now where in the resolution are human rights mentioned?”

[Unibot III]

Congratulations!