1943: The Prae vs. The Leaders of the World (WWII RP)

[The Prae]

August 1st, 1943.
The population of the Prae is 56 billion.
Secret development of nuclear, chemical, and biological
weapons of mass destruction (under slow development)
starts to worry even big-show leaders like Hitler, Stalin,
Mussolini, Tojo, and Zedong. The Prae government has
recently boasted these military programs, threatening
to drop such bombs and shells on the nation's capitals,
lest they don't clear the way to letting them do their
work. The program started in 1939, and because of isolation,
new industrial development, and a quest to learn
more about world domination, an incredible 597
thousand weapons have been manufactured for Prae
war use.

A conference has been called to grab the attention
of the Prae government. Treaties will be signed to
try and defeat the Prae and get them to end their
programs. But, will they ever stop?

[TURTLESHROOM II]

{ OOC: Is this a story of our NS nations in the 1940s AD? If it is, I want in. If it's not, that goes in Portal to the Multi-verse. }

{ OOC: Also, your numbers make no sense. In RL, the earth's carrying capacity is somewhere like twenty billion, and the Antarctic Circle is far less. If your nation has fifty six billion souls and is on the same planet as every other nation in RL (given that you mentioned Hitler and friends), then you would already have united the earth, and there would be no Axis Powers, and no need to seek world domination. Now, in Nationstates, the "planet" we're all on would be the size of Jupiter but with the earth's gravity if it held all the nations of the world. }

{ OOC: I suggest that you set your population to that of China. In 1950 AD, China had five hundred million people. }

[The Prae]

I also sent that to the Portal, realizing a made a mistake a few hours after I made the post here.

[TURTLESHROOM II]

{ OOC: DARN! Why doesn't anyone do historical roleplaying WITH THEIR ACTUAL NS NATIONS?! }

[The Prae]

{ OOC: Is this a story of our NS nations in the 1940s AD? If it is, I want in. If it's not, that goes in Portal to the Multi-verse. }

{ OOC: Also, your numbers make no sense. In RL, the earth's carrying capacity is somewhere like twenty billion, and the Antarctic Circle is far less. If your nation has fifty six billion souls and is on the same planet as every other nation in RL (given that you mentioned Hitler and friends), then you would already have united the earth, and there would be no Axis Powers, and no need to seek world domination. Now, in Nationstates, the "planet" we're all on would be the size of Jupiter but with the earth's gravity if it held all the nations of the world. }

{ OOC: I suggest that you set your population to that of China. In 1950 AD, China had five hundred million people. }

So I'm guessing you didn't read my factbook. Prae's population in 2017 is 42 Trillion, a quarter living in each quad zone. It means, the total population is divided into 4, and there are four quad zones (underground, sky-zone -- over 2,000 feet, ground level, and the man-made islands). The same principle with the 1943 population. 56 billion divided by 4). That is 13.5 billion, a lot less and just 1.357 billion
12 billion more than the via 2013 population of China -- being 1.357 billion, which, let me point out, most of the population density is concentrated on the east side of China, and hardly any density on the west side. Also, the Prae are the ancestors of the Romans and Greeks, so guess what? They're creative, innovative, and strategical. They were sure to figure out of ways to make space for the entire population without endangering their safety.

[Hadri Nekoi]

-(OOC)-

Perhaps I have no reason to pop in, but perhaps there is a way to help here? I'd very much like to become engaged with this new nation of mine (My main is old and [questionably] better developed, but doesn't interest me), and WWI-WWII are my favorite periods. Perhaps there can be a way to work this out that pleases both sides?

I'm active primarily in P2TM, although I have engaged in Nationstates and International Incidents threads before. I'm not the best, but I hope that this way we could all have our fun, yes? Assuming that you would approve of my joining or collaborating. Anyways...

[The Prae]

-(OOC)-

Perhaps I have no reason to pop in, but perhaps there is a way to help here? I'd very much like to become engaged with this new nation of mine (My main is old and [questionably] better developed, but doesn't interest me), and WWI-WWII are my favorite periods. Perhaps there can be a way to work this out that pleases both sides?

I'm active primarily in P2TM, although I have engaged in Nationstates and International Incidents threads before. I'm not the best, but I hope that this way we could all have our fun, yes? Assuming that you would approve of my joining or collaborating. Anyways...

Help is always wanted. This is all I ever wanted.

[Democratic East-Asia]

-snip-

So based off the land area of China, you have ~14933 people per square mile. That's like saying city covers your entire country, which makes no sense whatsoever. They'd all die of famine before anything else happened. I doubt you have the technology to make sure they all live.

Also, 597,000 WMDs in 1944? BS there. America didn't even make two nukes towards 45.

[Secundus Imperium Romanum]

The idea is pretty good, but it's very GMOD

The total population of Earth in 1943 was only 2 billion people, that is, counting on the armed forces only great powers had more than 100/300 thousand men (and look there) in the military, so technically it would be impossible for someone to beat you

It is quite cloying for anyone to just lose and lose for a country with 43 billion people, which causes abandonment and the RPG is closed

[Hadri Nekoi]

-(OOC)-

Perhaps I have no reason to pop in, but perhaps there is a way to help here? I'd very much like to become engaged with this new nation of mine (My main is old and [questionably] better developed, but doesn't interest me), and WWI-WWII are my favorite periods. Perhaps there can be a way to work this out that pleases both sides?

I'm active primarily in P2TM, although I have engaged in Nationstates and International Incidents threads before. I'm not the best, but I hope that this way we could all have our fun, yes? Assuming that you would approve of my joining or collaborating. Anyways...

Help is always wanted. This is all I ever wanted.

excellente

-snip-

Is there, perhaps, a way to reach some agreement on numbers and/or tech here? Assuming that this isn't /completely/ following the logic of 1940's roleplay? Any suggestions?

I personally do intend to play my nation as having around 420,000-450,000.

[Democratic East-Asia]

590,000 WMDs. I have no clue how that's possible in the 40s, unless your definition of a WMD is a rock. Also, France had 41.7 million people in 1939.

[Hadri Nekoi]

590,000 WMDs. I have no clue how that's possible in the 40s, unless your definition of a WMD is a rock. Also, France had 41.7 million people in 1939.

I get hundreds of thousands and millions confused way too easily.

Fucking public school math.

[The Prae]

We're not talking about France or China. We're talking about a huge continent-country (such as Australia), that is the second largest country in the world (land mass wise), next to Russia. We are also talking about underground cities, underground cities, man-made islands in development since the early 20th century. Because these guys never let anything stop them. They were like their Roman, Greek, and Italian ancestors -- they were innovative, creative, and artistic.

[Democratic East-Asia]

There's a reason no one's interested. The numbers frankly don't make any sense. "Anything is possible". Lol, so Asia could hold 50 billion people living in first world conditions while somehow feeding and housing all of them?

[Ashkera]

{ Well, supposing it isn't really about being an unbeatable empire that can never be defeated politically, technologically, or in conventional or nuclear warfare, and it's really core to the narrative purpose...

...then you should be fine with a nation with 112,000,000,001 citizens joining, right? }

[Nations United for Conquest]

There's a reason no one's interested. The numbers frankly don't make any sense. "Anything is possible". Lol, so Asia could hold 50 billion people living in first world conditions while somehow feeding and housing all of them?

There's not enough space or resources to support something like that, nor the technology in 1945

[Hadri Nekoi]

I'm not too picky about numbers. Besides, gotta order more machine guns for the Army anyways. Trench Warfare is a pain.

Though I'm hardly an authority here, so...carry on.

[The Prae]

There's a reason no one's interested. The numbers frankly don't make any sense. "Anything is possible". Lol, so Asia could hold 50 billion people living in first world conditions while somehow feeding and housing all of them?

There's not enough space or resources to support something like that, nor the technology in 1945

Apparently someone's nation never heard of greenhouse gases and sunlight.

Someone's scientists also couldn't be able to figure out that Antarctica has earth underneath all that ice and snow, and that their fire units can easily melt all the snow and ice, irrigate the soil, plant the seeds, and simply build a giant stone-supported green house.

But it's not any of my business what Democratic East-Asia deals with. Judging by their flag, they're Communists; I'd like to think that many of their people died from the starvation of not being able to plant shitloads of crops, and being controlled by a balding Revolutionist leader who turns children against their elders.

[The Prae]

There's a reason no one's interested. The numbers frankly don't make any sense. "Anything is possible". Lol, so Asia could hold 50 billion people living in first world conditions while somehow feeding and housing all of them?

The majority of China's population, by the way, lives on the east side. But not many live on the west. People are bitching and moaning bout overpopulation, but you got all that space in Tibet that are the least populated. Like, are they stupid?

[Nations United for Conquest]

There's not enough space or resources to support something like that, nor the technology in 1945

Apparently someone's nation never heard of greenhouse gases and sunlight.

Someone's scientists also couldn't be able to figure out that Antarctica has earth underneath all that ice and snow, and that their fire units can easily melt all the snow and ice, irrigate the soil, plant the seeds, and simply build a giant stone-supported green house.

But it's not any of my business what Democratic East-Asia deals with. Judging by their flag, they're Communists; I'd like to think that many of their people died from the starvation of not being able to plant shitloads of crops, and being controlled by a balding Revolutionist leader who turns children against their elders.

You would need a huge plot of land to support 56 Billion people. Just because you "build" a giant green house doesn't mean anything. You'd have to dig incredible deep to house 56 billion people. How would you cloth them? The amount of factories and resources you'd have to have access to. You'd easily need to control the world to have access to that resources. And just because you melt snow doesn't mean it gets anyless cold. Also did I mention for half the year there is no sunlight?

[Peta Kozarska Brigada]

There's a reason no one's interested. The numbers frankly don't make any sense. "Anything is possible". Lol, so Asia could hold 50 billion people living in first world conditions while somehow feeding and housing all of them?

The majority of China's population, by the way, lives on the east side. But not many live on the west. People are bitching and moaning bout overpopulation, but you got all that space in Tibet that are the least populated. Like, are they stupid?

you try and make tibet able to sustain a large population what with the mountains

sorry but we're not the mediterranean ubermensch that you are

[Nations United for Conquest]

There's a reason no one's interested. The numbers frankly don't make any sense. "Anything is possible". Lol, so Asia could hold 50 billion people living in first world conditions while somehow feeding and housing all of them?

The majority of China's population, by the way, lives on the east side. But not many live on the west. People are bitching and moaning bout overpopulation, but you got all that space in Tibet that are the least populated. Like, are they stupid?

Yeah, because people naturally build cities near water and ports are known to be areas of large amounts of people. It also helps China sits on basically one of the most important trade routes in the South Pacific and is a trade empire. There also the small problem that much of the West is mountains and valleys which, I don't know if you can tell, are hard to build on

[Nations United for Conquest]

starts to worry even big-show leaders like Hitler, Stalin,
Mussolini, Tojo, and Zedong

Excuse the double post, but this needs to be adressed. Why would leaders like Hitler and Stalin be just starting to worry that a nation with a population of 56 Billion has developed nuclear weapons[which on itself doesn't even make anysense, getting to that] when said nation could just throw more soldiers than the populations of every nation on earth at that time combined. These nations should have easily ctumbled beneith your impossible country. Even if they did and you somehow ignored the whole period of imperialism, they'd be worried the minute they found out such a country existed.

While we're on the topic of your military you have some explianing it do. Do you have ships? if so how? Most of any place you'd have to build a port is frozen for the entire year. Lets not even get into how such a country could even begin to form in a place like Antartica. It would be literally impossible to get that many people down there at once with the tech and resources to build this so called "underground city" with technology pre-dating 1939 at the earliest. Now, someone already brought up the issue of nukes, since 500,000+ is way to many for any country at this time. The bigger problem is why the hell does an isoslationist country even need such a thing. You've said yourself that you were just beginning to look to expand. Why are you building a weapon designed to end a war that hasn't even begun as of yet? Next what do you plan on using for tactics? Based on your nation it would seem you'd have quite outdated tactics making the need to aquire such weapons even more useless.

My Advice No one is going to want to par take in this RP at it's current state. It's basically a free excuse for you steamroll all the other nations involved. If the OP is anything to go off it'd likely just dissolve into you continuing to GMOD the hell out of the other players. If you want this current RP to work, drop your population much lower, like really low and claim an area like the Expanded Soviet Union and make up some crap about being more industrialized and prepared for a war. Or make a new RP in an Alternate History with a War of the Worlds type theme and act as the aliens sending in a smaller amount of soldiers, with a weakness of course, to try and take over the world, forcing the others to attempt to put away their differences to fight you, even then people will likely be resistant to such an idea

[The Prae]

Apparently someone's nation never heard of greenhouse gases and sunlight.

Someone's scientists also couldn't be able to figure out that Antarctica has earth underneath all that ice and snow, and that their fire units can easily melt all the snow and ice, irrigate the soil, plant the seeds, and simply build a giant stone-supported green house.

But it's not any of my business what Democratic East-Asia deals with. Judging by their flag, they're Communists; I'd like to think that many of their people died from the starvation of not being able to plant shitloads of crops, and being controlled by a balding Revolutionist leader who turns children against their elders.

You would need a huge plot of land to support 56 Billion people. Just because you "build" a giant green house doesn't mean anything. You'd have to dig incredible deep to house 56 billion people. How would you cloth them? The amount of factories and resources you'd have to have access to. You'd easily need to control the world to have access to that resources. And just because you melt snow doesn't mean it gets anyless cold. Also did I mention for half the year there is no sunlight?

Not just a giant greenhouse. But as many as you can build throughout the whole continent to sustain the population. And a 'huge plot of land'. What the actual fuck did I put the map in my factbook for? So you can scroll right past it?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_area

Antarctica is number 1(and 1/2) on the list, just below Russia. Looking at any map, especially a Mercator, do you know how massive that country would be. That's a huge plot of land.

[Nations United for Conquest]

You would need a huge plot of land to support 56 Billion people. Just because you "build" a giant green house doesn't mean anything. You'd have to dig incredible deep to house 56 billion people. How would you cloth them? The amount of factories and resources you'd have to have access to. You'd easily need to control the world to have access to that resources. And just because you melt snow doesn't mean it gets anyless cold. Also did I mention for half the year there is no sunlight?

Not just a giant greenhouse. But as many as you can build throughout the whole continent to sustain the population. And a 'huge plot of land'. What the actual fuck did I put the map in my factbook for? So you can scroll right past it?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_area

Antarctica is number 1(and 1/2) on the list, just below Russia. Looking at any map, especially a Mercator, do you know how massive that country would be. That's a huge plot of land.

You'd have to basically turn the entire surface of Antartica into farm to even begin thinking of providing enough food for 56 billion people. Not to mention all the water required. The enite earth in a modern era with modern tech can barely support the entire 7 Billion population we have. Most of your people must be starving or living in poverty at this time. There's also the problem that the tech required to do such a thing doesn't exist in 1940, you have to realize that. Also, you can melt the snow in antartica but that doesn't mean it magically becomes a tropical paradise