by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:28 am
by The Interstellar Federation » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:32 am
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:36 am
by San Marlindo » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:44 am
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:47 am
San Marlindo wrote:If I liked this YouTube guy's content, then I'd keep watching it regardless of what else he did.
Same reason I would keep watching the World Cup and supporting my preferred national team even if they're involved in a major corruption scandal.
Same reason I still watched Tonya Harding back in the day - because I could appreciate her talent - regardless of her horrific sportsmanship and complicity in assaulting her #1 rival.
Judging from the man's popularity, I would hazard a guess that the majority of his fan base isn't going to drop him because he made a few racist comments. If they once found him entertaining for other reasons, they'll continue to do so.
Very few people get turned off to their favorite comedians, athletes, and actors for making the occasional, perfectly human mistake.
by San Marlindo » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:50 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:San Marlindo wrote:If I liked this YouTube guy's content, then I'd keep watching it regardless of what else he did.
Same reason I would keep watching the World Cup and supporting my preferred national team even if they're involved in a major corruption scandal.
Same reason I still watched Tonya Harding back in the day - because I could appreciate her talent - regardless of her horrific sportsmanship and complicity in assaulting her #1 rival.
Judging from the man's popularity, I would hazard a guess that the majority of his fan base isn't going to drop him because he made a few racist comments. If they once found him entertaining for other reasons, they'll continue to do so.
Very few people get turned off to their favorite comedians, athletes, and actors for making the occasional, perfectly human mistake.
I don't think the racist jokes are what's important about any of this tbh.
They seem a moot point.
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:52 am
San Marlindo wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
I don't think the racist jokes are what's important about any of this tbh.
They seem a moot point.
I understand that your OP focuses explicitly on the angle of media over-sensationalism, and what is perceived as an unjust crusade against one individual due to that.
However: none of this would've happened if it wasn't for the jokes in question being made.
by Bulgar Rouge » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:53 am
by The Interstellar Federation » Sat Feb 25, 2017 1:56 am
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:01 am
by Herskerstad » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:18 am
by Agadar » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:18 am
San Marlindo wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
I don't think the racist jokes are what's important about any of this tbh.
They seem a moot point.
I understand that your OP focuses explicitly on the angle of media over-sensationalism, and what is perceived as an unjust crusade against one individual due to that.
However: none of this would've happened if it wasn't for the jokes in question being made.
by San Marlindo » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:24 am
Agadar wrote:San Marlindo wrote:
I understand that your OP focuses explicitly on the angle of media over-sensationalism, and what is perceived as an unjust crusade against one individual due to that.
However: none of this would've happened if it wasn't for the jokes in question being made.
"He wouldn't have been robbed and murdered if he hadn't been seen having a wallet on him."
"She wouldn't have been dragged off and raped if she hadn't worn that dress."
The blame is not on the victim, but on those who unjustly targeted him.
"Cold, analytical, materialistic thinking tends to throttle the urge to imagination." - Michael Chekhov
by Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:29 am
Agadar wrote:San Marlindo wrote:
I understand that your OP focuses explicitly on the angle of media over-sensationalism, and what is perceived as an unjust crusade against one individual due to that.
However: none of this would've happened if it wasn't for the jokes in question being made.
"He wouldn't have been robbed and murdered if he hadn't been seen having a wallet on him."
"She wouldn't have been dragged off and raped if she hadn't worn that dress."
The blame is not on the victim, but on those who unjustly targeted him.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:34 am
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Agadar wrote:
"He wouldn't have been robbed and murdered if he hadn't been seen having a wallet on him."
"She wouldn't have been dragged off and raped if she hadn't worn that dress."
The blame is not on the victim, but on those who unjustly targeted him.
Sure, although Felix knew those jokes were of bad taste after he made them and he apologized for them once before. He actually understood that those jokes went a bit too far even for his channel, but he acknowledge it on his own and he admitted that when the anti-Semite spiel about the Fiverr video came out and managed to boot out a bunch of people who were selling services on Fiverr for delivering anti-Semite messaging.
So the problem is not "none of this would've happened", as people disagree with the content of the jokes being made, including some of his close associates, as innocent and stupid as they were. The problem was that the media did not focus on that, and rather went out of their way to paint him as an anti-Semite.
However, Marlindo is correct in pointing out that if he hadn't make those jokes, or at least kept up the videos after the Fiverr incident, none of this would have happened, considering even he thought the joke went too far. I understand why he kept it, because it wasn't a divisive video and it was generally agreed upon within his community that the video was hilarious, but he understood the joke went too far. None of his subs have dropped him, by the way. Instead, he gained subs following the incident, so he got free publicity. Now, you might think the media was nasty at him, and I agree, but he won revenue from it, even when these three guys hounded YouTube to also demonetize his channel (and failed at it).
by Agadar » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:35 am
San Marlindo wrote:Agadar wrote:
"He wouldn't have been robbed and murdered if he hadn't been seen having a wallet on him."
"She wouldn't have been dragged off and raped if she hadn't worn that dress."
The blame is not on the victim, but on those who unjustly targeted him.
Not the point I was trying to make. Read my post previous to that one.
I was not blaming the YouTube commentator for what happened, merely explaining to Ostro why I chose to focus on that aspect of the case rather than his.
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:36 am
Agadar wrote:San Marlindo wrote:
Not the point I was trying to make. Read my post previous to that one.
I was not blaming the YouTube commentator for what happened, merely explaining to Ostro why I chose to focus on that aspect of the case rather than his.
I'm on my phone, so flags/names are teeny tiny on my screen. Didn't recognize you as the author of that other post.
Anyhow, is there anyone here that is now a WSJ shill that finds their actions justified and wants.to argue for their case? Without opposing voices, this thread is really just
by Agadar » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:38 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Agadar wrote:
I'm on my phone, so flags/names are teeny tiny on my screen. Didn't recognize you as the author of that other post.
Anyhow, is there anyone here that is now a WSJ shill that finds their actions justified and wants.to argue for their case? Without opposing voices, this thread is really just
Is it happening?
The media finally has a 0% approval rating?
by Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:40 am
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Atlanticatia » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:43 am
by Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:44 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Sure, although Felix knew those jokes were of bad taste after he made them and he apologized for them once before. He actually understood that those jokes went a bit too far even for his channel, but he acknowledge it on his own and he admitted that when the anti-Semite spiel about the Fiverr video came out and managed to boot out a bunch of people who were selling services on Fiverr for delivering anti-Semite messaging.
So the problem is not "none of this would've happened", as people disagree with the content of the jokes being made, including some of his close associates, as innocent and stupid as they were. The problem was that the media did not focus on that, and rather went out of their way to paint him as an anti-Semite.
However, Marlindo is correct in pointing out that if he hadn't make those jokes, or at least kept up the videos after the Fiverr incident, none of this would have happened, considering even he thought the joke went too far. I understand why he kept it, because it wasn't a divisive video and it was generally agreed upon within his community that the video was hilarious, but he understood the joke went too far. None of his subs have dropped him, by the way. Instead, he gained subs following the incident, so he got free publicity. Now, you might think the media was nasty at him, and I agree, but he won revenue from it, even when these three guys hounded YouTube to also demonetize his channel (and failed at it).
The way he handled the incident has been pretty classy tbh, It's not something you see often. I've seen a lot of people decide to subscribe based on these two videos. I did too
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Uiiop » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:46 am
by Vassenor » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:47 am
Atlanticatia wrote:WSJ didn't lose credibility over this - their reporting was factual. It is also understandable that a brand wouldn't want to be associated with controversy. That's kind of how corporate endorsements work? If a person has a chance of offending paying customers, they're going to get dropped. It's not 'PC culture' or 'virtue signalling'.
by Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:47 am
Atlanticatia wrote:WSJ didn't lose credibility over this - their reporting was factual. It is also understandable that a brand wouldn't want to be associated with controversy. That's kind of how corporate endorsements work? If a person has a chance of offending paying customers, they're going to get dropped. It's not 'PC culture' or 'virtue signalling'.
Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.
by Ostroeuropa » Sat Feb 25, 2017 2:49 am
Atlanticatia wrote:WSJ didn't lose credibility over this - their reporting was factual. It is also understandable that a brand wouldn't want to be associated with controversy. That's kind of how corporate endorsements work? If a person has a chance of offending paying customers, they're going to get dropped. It's not 'PC culture' or 'virtue signalling'.
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