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"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:16 am

New law would require man’s approval for partner’s abortion because women are only “hosts,” and pregnant women’s bodies are not their own.
Oklahoma state legislator Rep. Justin Humphrey is sponsoring a draconian bill, HB 1441, that would require a woman to get written permission from her sexual partner if she wants to have an abortion.

The Intercept reports:
The legislation would require a woman seeking an abortion first to obtain written permission from her sexual partner. It would also require her to provide his name to her doctor and would forestall the procedure if the man wanted the opportunity to challenge paternity.
Attempting to justify the despicable legislation Rep. Humphrey told The Intercept that women have no right to bodily autonomy once they are pregnant because they are merely “hosts”:

"I understand that they feel like that is their body. I feel like it is a separate — what I call them is, is you’re a ‘host.’ And you know when you enter into a relationship you’re going to be that host and so, you know, if you pre-know that then take all precautions and don’t get pregnant."
Rep. Humphrey continued:

"So that’s where I’m at. I’m like, hey, your body is your body and be responsible with it. But after you’re irresponsible then don’t claim, well, I can just go and do this with another body, when you’re the host and you invited that in."

Rep. Humphrey also said his intent behind the legislation was to let men have a say, declaring:
I believe one of the breakdowns in our society is that we have excluded the man out of all of these types of decisions.

Commenting on the despicable legislation, Amanda Allen, senior state legislative counsel for the Center for Reproductive Rights, said:
I would say it’s certainly a new low for Oklahoma. This is, to my mind, a fruitless effort to shame and stigmatize women who are seeking abortion care and it is completely and unequivocally unconstitutional.

Allen is right, if passed the law would certainly be unconstitutional. The U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar provision in 1992.

She is also right to note that the legislation is ultimately a mean-spirited attempt to shame and stigmatize women who are seeking an abortion.
Bottom line: For Rep. Justin Humphrey, and conservatives like him, pregnant women’s bodies are not their own: Women are merely “hosts” – and the man must give his approval for abortion to take place.

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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:18 am

Wait till Okies replace marriage vows with rape and moneyshots.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:18 am

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Postby Jamzmania » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:19 am

Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:19 am

I don't know, but a couple should talk about abortions instead of just doing it without any consultation.
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:20 am

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:23 am

Jamzmania wrote:Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

An abortion is a private decision between a a woman and her doctor. A man does not and should have the right to block that decision.

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Postby Revin » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:23 am

Jamzmania wrote:Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

I agree 100%

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Postby Thegreathukaduka » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:25 am

I have to agree with the senator. Both parties should consent.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:26 am

"I understand that they feel like that is their body. I feel like it is a separate — what I call them is, is you’re a ‘host.’ And you know when you enter into a relationship you’re going to be that host and so, you know, if you pre-know that then take all precautions and don’t get pregnant."

So is this implying that being in a relationship is consenting to be pregnant?
That's fucking creepy.

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Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:26 am

Jamzmania wrote:Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

That sounds reasonable.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:26 am

Genivaria wrote:
"I understand that they feel like that is their body. I feel like it is a separate — what I call them is, is you’re a ‘host.’ And you know when you enter into a relationship you’re going to be that host and so, you know, if you pre-know that then take all precautions and don’t get pregnant."

So is this implying that being in a relationship is consenting to be pregnant?
That's fucking creepy.

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Postby Kathmandue » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:27 am

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:27 am

Jamzmania wrote:Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

uh

no

its the woman who is making the baby who needs to make the choice to do so or not.
whatever

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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:27 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I don't know, but a couple should talk about abortions instead of just doing it without any consultation.

should

unless they shouldn't

depends on circumstances, eh?
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:29 am

Thegreathukaduka wrote:I have to agree with the senator. Both parties should consent.

so a 3rd person should be able to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want?
whatever

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Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:29 am

Kathmandue wrote:Ah yes! Welcome to Saudi Arabia!

Not allowing a woman to kill her son or daughter without the father's consent and women actually being treated as property by the law are basically the same *nod*
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:29 am

Genivaria wrote:
"I understand that they feel like that is their body. I feel like it is a separate — what I call them is, is you’re a ‘host.’ And you know when you enter into a relationship you’re going to be that host and so, you know, if you pre-know that then take all precautions and don’t get pregnant."

So is this implying that being in a relationship is consenting to be pregnant?
That's fucking creepy.


Is Oklahoma an abstinence-only state?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So is this implying that being in a relationship is consenting to be pregnant?
That's fucking creepy.


Is Oklahoma an abstinence-only state?

I don't think they so, but sex education isn't taught in alot of areas apparently.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:32 am

Crockerland wrote:
Kathmandue wrote:Ah yes! Welcome to Saudi Arabia!

Not allowing a woman to kill her son or daughter without the father's consent and women actually being treated as property by the law are basically the same *nod*

Please stop misconstruing the topic here.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:32 am

Vassenor wrote:And people say we don't need feminism.


Huh. So you can't have a respect for basic bodily autonomy without being a feminist?
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:32 am

Jamzmania wrote:Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

Why?

I mean, it's obvious to anyone with even the slightest amount of political awareness that the purpose of this law is to make it harder for women to get abortions and thus effectively ban abortions without actually banning them, because that's unconstitutional. But what other reasoning are you offering to justify this?
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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:32 am

Utterly disgusting and disgraceful.

I wouldn't be surprised if some parts in the US turned into a Christian version of one of the worst countries in the world, Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Ashmoria » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:33 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Vassenor wrote:And people say we don't need feminism.


Huh. So you can't have a respect for basic bodily autonomy without being a feminist?

no but feminism does respect basic bodily autonomy.
whatever

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Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:33 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:Utterly disgusting and disgraceful.

I wouldn't be surprised if some parts in the US turned into a Christian version of one of the worst countries in the world, Saudi Arabia.

Crockerland wrote:Not allowing a woman to kill her son or daughter without the father's consent and women actually being treated as property by the law are basically the same *nod*
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