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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:31 pm

The Security Council,

Observing Elite Region of Global Command's targeting of communists and Muslims;

Noting Elite Region of Global Command's invasions, refounds, or both of Islamya, The Arab League, Allah, Allahu Akbar, Islamic Union of Free States, United Commonwealth of Islam, The Revolutionary Council, and Viet Cong;

Detesting Elite Region of Global Command's hatred and bigotry;

Disgusted by Elite Region of Global Command's various nicknames for Muslims, such as "muzzies";

Further disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "Frankenstein";

Disturbed by Elite Region of Global Command's calls for the annihilation of communists and Muslims;

Alarmed by Elite Region of Global Command's proud proclamation of "Glory to Nazism" in their World Factbook Entry;

Recognizing Nazism as an intolerant ideology promoting racism;

Hereby condemns Elite Region of Global Command.

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Edit 1: Added more of EROGC's invasions.
Edit 2: Same as above.
Edit 3: Fixed some inaccuracies and small mistakes.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:37 pm

Are you using the original author's draft with permission? And I believe the rules say you cannot redo the exact same proposal.
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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:38 pm

To re-iterate CQ, do you have permission from Canton to do this? (I would also like to draw your attention to other Islamic-themed regions colonised by EROGC: Allah, Allahu Akbar, Islamic Union of Free States, Free Commonwealth of Islam.)
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:39 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Are you using the original author's draft with permission? And I believe the rules say you cannot redo the exact same proposal.

It's not the exact same proposal, and yes, I have his permission. He's co-authoring it.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:39 pm

Tinhampton wrote:To re-iterate CQ, do you have permission from Canton to do this? (I would also like to draw your attention to other Islamic-themed regions colonised by EROGC: Allah, Allahu Akbar, Islamic Union of Free States, Free Commonwealth of Islam.)

Yes, and thank you for the information. I'll include it in the draft.
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Postby Sygian II » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:59 pm

What makes you think this will pass this time?

Looks like a fresh case of badge hunting to me.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:59 pm

Ah so that's who nicked Allah from me :P

This has less chance than the last version. You mention they raid communists but don't give any examples.
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As for the Communists, based on EROGC embassies, I am at least aware of The Revolutionary Council and Viet Cong.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Sygian II wrote:What makes you think this will pass this time?

Looks like a fresh case of badge hunting to me.

Easy. We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters. Additionally, the Delegate of the East Pacific, Aelitia didn't vote, since they didn't become delegate until the end of the vote. If they had voted, they would've voted for the resolution, since they were the one who told Todd McCloud, the previous delegate to vote for it. If Aelitia had voted, the resolution would've had enough votes to pass.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:20 pm

Tinhampton wrote:As for the Communists, based on EROGC embassies, I am at least aware of The Revolutionary Council and Viet Cong.

Thank you once again.
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Postby Sygian II » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:22 pm

Once again...

Cool, you raided a couple of regions? Not condemnable.

You're a Nazi? Shouldn't be acknowledged by the Security Council again.

We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters.

The resolution looks about the exact same as its predecessor. I'm sure people know already how they're going to vote this time.

Just stop. There are so many other nations and regions out there that actually are deserving of a condemnation. Stop wasting your time on this proposal, because it's wasting ours.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:25 pm

Tinhampton wrote:As for the Communists, based on EROGC embassies, I am at least aware of The Revolutionary Council and Viet Cong.

The Revolutionary Council is a weird one, lots of old founders and delegates from different political views. Viet Cong was CTE for 3 years before they refounded it as a trophy.
Noting Elite Region of Global Command's invasions of Islamya, The Arab League, Allah, Allahu Akbar, Islamic Union of Free States, and Free Commonwealth of Islam;

Islamya appears to be a founder nation given away.
The Arab League was Nazi Europa,
Allah was refounded when i let it CTE.
Allah Akbar refounded a month after it CTE.
Islamic Union of Free States refounded after a year.
Do you mean United Commonwealth Of Islam instead of Free Commonwealth of Islam? Also a refound after it CTE :P
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Sygian II wrote:Once again...

Cool, you raided a couple of regions? Not condemnable.

You're a Nazi? Shouldn't be acknowledged by the Security Council again.

We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters.

The resolution looks about the exact same as its predecessor. I'm sure people know already how they're going to vote this time.

Just stop. There are so many other nations and regions out there that actually are deserving of a condemnation. Stop wasting your time on this proposal, because it's wasting ours.


1) Really? Raiding regions isn't condemnable. That's pretty funny, because pretty much every condemnation has to do with raiding.
2) Whether or not Nazis should be recognized by the Security Council should be left up to the Council itself. Let them determine that by voting.
3) Fair enough. I have a feeling listing more of the regions they targeted will convince at least a few voters to vote for and every nation counts as we saw in the last vote. Additionally, you're ignoring my point about Aelitia. If they had voted, it would've passed.
4) Are there really that many that warrant a condemnation? We haven't seen any condemnation in the Security Council for a while, and out of the three that are currently being proposed, two of them are clearly jokes, while the third isn't written very well.
5) I would argue that its not a waste of time. That's up to the Council to decide. If this is actually going to get to vote, 99 delegates need to say it's worth their time. If it's not and you're right, then it won't come to vote, and therefore won't waste anyone's time but mine.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:36 pm

Neo Danzig wrote:
Sygian II wrote:What makes you think this will pass this time?

Looks like a fresh case of badge hunting to me.

Easy. We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters. Additionally, the Delegate of the East Pacific, Aelitia didn't vote, since they didn't become delegate until the end of the vote. If they had voted, they would've voted for the resolution, since they were the one who told Todd McCloud, the previous delegate to vote for it. If Aelitia had voted, the resolution would've had enough votes to pass.

Why are these people in such urgent need of a condemnation. Let them actually do something terrible before you waste this council's time again[ on this mindlessness.
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Postby The Atlae Isles » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:38 pm

Neo Danzig wrote:
Sygian II wrote:What makes you think this will pass this time?

Looks like a fresh case of badge hunting to me.

Easy. We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters. Additionally, the Delegate of the East Pacific, Aelitia didn't vote, since they didn't become delegate until the end of the vote. If they had voted, they would've voted for the resolution, since they were the one who told Todd McCloud, the previous delegate to vote for it. If Aelitia had voted, the resolution would've had enough votes to pass.


Actually, it would almost be enough.

Additionally, putting another resolution in like this would be terrible.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:39 pm

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Neo Danzig wrote:Easy. We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters. Additionally, the Delegate of the East Pacific, Aelitia didn't vote, since they didn't become delegate until the end of the vote. If they had voted, they would've voted for the resolution, since they were the one who told Todd McCloud, the previous delegate to vote for it. If Aelitia had voted, the resolution would've had enough votes to pass.

Why are these people in such urgent need of a condemnation. Let them actually do something terrible before you waste this council's time again[ on this mindlessness.

See above.
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Neo Danzig wrote:Easy. We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters. Additionally, the Delegate of the East Pacific, Aelitia didn't vote, since they didn't become delegate until the end of the vote. If they had voted, they would've voted for the resolution, since they were the one who told Todd McCloud, the previous delegate to vote for it. If Aelitia had voted, the resolution would've had enough votes to pass.


Actually, it would almost be enough.

Additionally, putting another resolution in like this would be terrible.

I did the math, it would've passed by three votes.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:40 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:
Neo Danzig wrote:Easy. We hope to improve the resolution, therefore swaying more voters. Additionally, the Delegate of the East Pacific, Aelitia didn't vote, since they didn't become delegate until the end of the vote. If they had voted, they would've voted for the resolution, since they were the one who told Todd McCloud, the previous delegate to vote for it. If Aelitia had voted, the resolution would've had enough votes to pass.


Actually, it would almost be enough.

Additionally, putting another resolution in like this would be terrible.

Why would it be terrible?
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When it failed, Aelitia had enough votes to lessen the margin by 1 vote.

It would be terrible because 1) no one wants to see the same resolution again 2) you're giving ERoGC more attention, and 3) if I remember, you're a huge CAIN opponent. And ERoGC doesn't like CAIN either.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:48 pm

Neo Danzig wrote:
Sygian II wrote:Once again...

Cool, you raided a couple of regions? Not condemnable.

You're a Nazi? Shouldn't be acknowledged by the Security Council again.


The resolution looks about the exact same as its predecessor. I'm sure people know already how they're going to vote this time.

Just stop. There are so many other nations and regions out there that actually are deserving of a condemnation. Stop wasting your time on this proposal, because it's wasting ours.


1) Really? Raiding regions isn't condemnable. That's pretty funny, because pretty much every condemnation has to do with raiding.


Raiding alone is not. Being good at raiding and destroying lots of meaningful communities is. The Black Hawks, Macedon, etc, they had to earn their condemnations.

2) Whether or not Nazis should be recognized by the Security Council should be left up to the Council itself. Let them determine that by voting.


The security council voting population are largely people who have no idea of context or what condemnations actually do. And we really shouldn't hold up the will of such an inconstant collection of misinformed sheep as gospel. Else repeals shouldn't be allowed.

5) I would argue that its not a waste of time. That's up to the Council to decide. If this is actually going to get to vote, 99 delegates need to say it's worth their time. If it's not and you're right, then it won't come to vote, and therefore won't waste anyone's time but mine.



Getting 99 or whatever delegates to approve this will be a piece of cake. It says 'NAZIS BAD' in big bold letters. It's the resolution equivalent of free cake.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:51 pm

The Atlae Isles wrote:When it failed, Aelitia had enough votes to lessen the margin by 1 vote.

It would be terrible because 1) no one wants to see the same resolution again 2) you're giving ERoGC more attention, and 3) if I remember, you're a huge CAIN opponent. And ERoGC doesn't like CAIN either.

Lessen the margin by 1 vote? That would mean that Aelitia had 0 endorsements, in which case they wouldn't be delegate.
1) They supported it before, why wouldn't they support it now? Just because they've seen it before doesn't make them less likely to vote on it.
2) They've already gotten attention and if someone wants to join a Nazi region, they'll just find another one. A condemnation isn't going to turn people into Nazis.
3) I don't like Stalin. Hitler didn't like Stalin. By that logic, we would've been best buddies, right? Just because we both don't like CAIN doesn't mean that we like each other. I don't support Nazism, I just don't like CAIN's methods. That being said, in the end we both have the same beliefs, and to be honest, in hindsight, the proposal to condemn them was an overreaction. In fact, I wouldn't mind working with CAIN on this one, if they'll support it.
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Postby Neo Danzig » Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:59 pm

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Neo Danzig wrote:
1) Really? Raiding regions isn't condemnable. That's pretty funny, because pretty much every condemnation has to do with raiding.


Raiding alone is not. Being good at raiding and destroying lots of meaningful communities is. The Black Hawks, Macedon, etc, they had to earn their condemnations.

2) Whether or not Nazis should be recognized by the Security Council should be left up to the Council itself. Let them determine that by voting.


The security council voting population are largely people who have no idea of context or what condemnations actually do. And we really shouldn't hold up the will of such an inconstant collection of misinformed sheep as gospel. Else repeals shouldn't be allowed.

5) I would argue that its not a waste of time. That's up to the Council to decide. If this is actually going to get to vote, 99 delegates need to say it's worth their time. If it's not and you're right, then it won't come to vote, and therefore won't waste anyone's time but mine.



Getting 99 or whatever delegates to approve this will be a piece of cake. It says 'NAZIS BAD' in big bold letters. It's the resolution equivalent of free cake.

1) I would argue that that makes EROGC a better nominee for a condemnation. All of the condemned raider groups that I'm aware of took their condemnations as a badge of honor, whereas EROGC clearly didn't want the resolution to pass.
2) But what else is there? At the end of the day, they are the Security Council. In the eyes of the WA, their word is gospel, since they ultimately determine the resolutions that pass. Sure there are a lot of sheep, but the delegates help balance that out.
3) I'll give you that, but that at least means that 99 people find it to be worth their time and whether or not they approve the draft for valid reasons, in the eyes of the WA, their collective opinion holds more weight than yours.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:03 pm

So i notice you've edited the proposal to change the broken region link but not replied to any of my other points on the regions they "invaded". Wonder if i'll have more luck talking to the co-author :P
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Drop Your Pants wrote:So i notice you've edited the proposal to change the broken region link but not replied to any of my other points on the regions they "invaded". Wonder if i'll have more luck talking to the co-author :P
Neo Danzig wrote:The Security Council,

Observing Elite Region of Global Command's targeting of communists and Muslims;

Noting Elite Region of Global Command's invasions, refounds, or both of Islamya, The Arab League, Allah, Allahu Akbar, Islamic Union of Free States, United Commonwealth of Islam, The Revolutionary Council, and Viet Cong;

Detesting Elite Region of Global Command's hatred and bigotry;

Disgusted by Elite Region of Global Command's various nicknames for Muslims, such as "muzzies";

Further disgusted that Elite Region of Global Command calls Islam "Frankenstein";

Disturbed by Elite Region of Global Command's calls for the annihilation of communists and Muslims;

Alarmed by Elite Region of Global Command's proud proclamation of "Glory to Nazism" in their World Factbook Entry;

Recognizing Nazism as an intolerant ideology promoting racism;

Hereby condemns Elite Region of Global Command.

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Edit 1: Added more of EROGC's invasions.
Edit 2: Same as above.
Edit 3: Fixed some inaccuracies and small mistakes.
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Postby Drop Your Pants » Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:10 pm

None of the examples you listed are invasions except The Arab League (which EROGC might have supported but didn't lead). Try again :P
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