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GMO friend or foe?

Postby Vulkata II » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:43 am

Morning/Afternoon/Evening Nationstates.

I have a question for you and it involves GMO or Genetically Modified Organisms.

I was switching the channels of my TV to see if anything was worth watching and sure enough there was:National Geographic was showing one of my favorite shows in the world, Eat:The history of food(a good show and i recommend you watching it if you're a history nerd like me and a glutton like me)and the episode was base on grain first there was pizza then corn and then GMO.

Like i said GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organisms and what this mean is taking one gene from a creature and then putting it in something else to create a desirable subject(no i am not talking about sex)or if you want a better explanation here's what google has to say.

When a gene from one organism is purposely moved to improve or change another organism in a laboratory, the result is a genetically modified organism (GMO). It is also sometimes called "transgenic" for transfer of genes. There are different ways of moving genes to produce desirable traits.


The show told me that people feared GMO others said it was the cornucopia of life and was supposed to feed the hungry all over the world and now I'm conflicting here because i had no fucking idea on what people think of this and what's the pros and cons of GMO so here is my question.

Is GMO really the cornucopia of life or is it death and destruction for all of us? To quote the show

"You want me to eat a gluten free bread and it still taste like bread?" i quoted that wrong yes but what is your opinion on GMO?

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Postby Targovia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:46 am

Vulkata II wrote:Morning/Afternoon/Evening Nationstates.

I have a question for you and it involves GMO or Genetically Modified Organisms.

I was switching the channels of my TV to see if anything was worth watching and sure enough there was:National Geographic was showing one of my favorite shows in the world, Eat:The history of food(a good show and i recommend you watching it if you're a history nerd like me and a glutton like me)and the episode was base on grain first there was pizza then corn and then GMO.

Like i said GMO stands for Genetically Modified Organisms and what this mean is taking one gene from a creature and then putting it in something else to create a desirable subject(no i am not talking about sex)or if you want a better explanation here's what google has to say.

When a gene from one organism is purposely moved to improve or change another organism in a laboratory, the result is a genetically modified organism (GMO). It is also sometimes called "transgenic" for transfer of genes. There are different ways of moving genes to produce desirable traits.


The show told me that people feared GMO others said it was the cornucopia of life and was supposed to feed the hungry all over the world and now I'm conflicting here because i had no fucking idea on what people think of this and what's the pros and cons of GMO so here is my question.

Is GMO really the cornucopia of life or is it death and destruction for all of us? To quote the show

"You want me to eat a gluten free bread and it still taste like bread?" i quoted that wrong yes but what is your opinion on GMO?

Also here's a gif.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:52 am

GMOs have the capacity to dramatically improve global food security. It's a no-brainer, really.
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:00 am

There is a significant problem with GMOs that often gets ignored, and that's the homogenisation of cultivars, and copyrights of these cultivars meaning that farmers are utterly in the palm of the producers. Loss of diversity in seed stock makes agriculture significantly more vulnerable to an unforeseen epidemic.
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Postby Nature-Spirits » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:05 am

I'm very pro-GMO, but against corporations holding patents for them.
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Postby Fireye » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:17 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:I'm very pro-GMO, but against corporations holding patents for them.

Corporations and people have been holding patents on plants since the 1930s. What makes GMOs special?

Even Organic seeds are patented.
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:There is a significant problem with GMOs that often gets ignored, and that's the homogenisation of cultivars, and copyrights of these cultivars meaning that farmers are utterly in the palm of the producers. Loss of diversity in seed stock makes agriculture significantly more vulnerable to an unforeseen epidemic.


Farmers wouldn't be buying these seeds if they didn't see an actual benefit. Want to see a farmer's point by point discussion of the GM seed contract?

And monoculture is an issue with all farming.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:18 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:GMOs have the capacity to dramatically improve global food security. It's a no-brainer, really.

Not to mention the possibility of someone developing plant-based superpowers.
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Postby Techno-Titania » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:20 am

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Postby Ximea » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:25 am

Aside from the problem of reducing crop variety mentioned above - a problem that applies to non-GMO agriculture as well - the arguments against GMOs are unfounded. To be anti-GMO is to be anti-humanity.
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Postby Dytarma » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:26 am

Let's go GMO!
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Postby Philjia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:28 am

The GMOs themselves are incredibly important to our future. However, there must be controls to ensure that they are not sterile and are at least as resistant to pests and disease as their traditional equivalents.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:32 am

I think it's like a two edged sword, as GMO can make food better, but in the other hand, if the food's immunity was also increased, pests that preyed on the food will also develop immunity to that food's modified gene for immunity
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Postby Community Values » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:37 am

Techno-Titania wrote:Foe

Why?
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:37 am

Fireye wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:There is a significant problem with GMOs that often gets ignored, and that's the homogenisation of cultivars, and copyrights of these cultivars meaning that farmers are utterly in the palm of the producers. Loss of diversity in seed stock makes agriculture significantly more vulnerable to an unforeseen epidemic.


Farmers wouldn't be buying these seeds if they didn't see an actual benefit. Want to see a farmer's point by point discussion of the GM seed contract?

And monoculture is an issue with all farming.


The problem with companies like Monsanto is that they're large enough to price their competitors out of the market, and develop regional (and in some cases national) monopolies, which exacerbates the problem of monocultures by establishing entire regions reliant on a single seed. Farmers are the customers of in seed purchases, and a private monopoly is always bad for consumers in the long run.
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Postby Novaya Equestria » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:40 am

I side with GMO, for they bring nutrition to all of humanity!
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:41 am

Almost all of the food has been genetically modified, the fact that we're now able to do this in short period of time in laboratory conditions rather than over generations by breeding crops to produce traits we like is entirely irrelevant.
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:42 am

Community Values wrote:
Techno-Titania wrote:Foe

Why?

The Federation of Kendor wrote:I think it's like a two edged sword, as GMO can make food better, but in the other hand, if the food's immunity was also increased, pests that preyed on the food will also develop immunity to that food's modified gene for immunity
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:43 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Community Values wrote:Why?

The Federation of Kendor wrote:I think it's like a two edged sword, as GMO can make food better, but in the other hand, if the food's immunity was also increased, pests that preyed on the food will also develop immunity to that food's modified gene for immunity

This is different from what already occurs how?
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:43 am

Absolutely pro-GMO

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 6:44 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Community Values wrote:Why?

The Federation of Kendor wrote:I think it's like a two edged sword, as GMO can make food better, but in the other hand, if the food's immunity was also increased, pests that preyed on the food will also develop immunity to that food's modified gene for immunity

That's actually arguably less of a problem as the GMO crops can also be given resistance to the pests that usually eat them.

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Postby Fireye » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:05 am

Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
Fireye wrote:

Farmers wouldn't be buying these seeds if they didn't see an actual benefit. Want to see a farmer's point by point discussion of the GM seed contract?

And monoculture is an issue with all farming.


The problem with companies like Monsanto is that they're large enough to price their competitors out of the market, and develop regional (and in some cases national) monopolies, which exacerbates the problem of monocultures by establishing entire regions reliant on a single seed. Farmers are the customers of in seed purchases, and a private monopoly is always bad for consumers in the long run.

First: can you give an example of a regional or national monopoly owned by a seed company?

Second: as Monsanto also sells Organic seeds, how is this a GMO issue?
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:11 am

Fireye wrote:
Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories wrote:
The problem with companies like Monsanto is that they're large enough to price their competitors out of the market, and develop regional (and in some cases national) monopolies, which exacerbates the problem of monocultures by establishing entire regions reliant on a single seed. Farmers are the customers of in seed purchases, and a private monopoly is always bad for consumers in the long run.

First: can you give an example of a regional or national monopoly owned by a seed company?

Second: as Monsanto also sells Organic seeds, how is this a GMO issue?

On an unrelated side note, Mosanto also happens to produce things for Nazis during WWII, including gases for killing Jews and other enemies of the Nazis. Also, Mosanto also sells pesticide, but correct me on that if i was wrong
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:14 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Fireye wrote:First: can you give an example of a regional or national monopoly owned by a seed company?

Second: as Monsanto also sells Organic seeds, how is this a GMO issue?

On an unrelated side note, Mosanto also happens to produce things for Nazis during WWII, including gases for killing Jews and other enemies of the Nazis. Also, Mosanto also sells pesticide, but correct me on that if i was wrong

And Volkswagen made cars for the Nazis. And Hugo Boss made their clothes.
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Postby Community Values » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:14 am

The Federation of Kendor wrote:
Fireye wrote:First: can you give an example of a regional or national monopoly owned by a seed company?

Second: as Monsanto also sells Organic seeds, how is this a GMO issue?

On an unrelated side note, Mosanto also happens to produce things for Nazis during WWII, including gases for killing Jews and other enemies of the Nazis. Also, Mosanto also sells pesticide, but correct me on that if i was wrong


And Henry Ford was anti-semetic. So was Walt Disney.

What's your point? Monsanto seeds are going to become sentient and seek out Jews to create a new holocaust?
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Postby The Federation of Kendor » Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:15 am

Alvecia wrote:
The Federation of Kendor wrote:On an unrelated side note, Mosanto also happens to produce things for Nazis during WWII, including gases for killing Jews and other enemies of the Nazis. Also, Mosanto also sells pesticide, but correct me on that if i was wrong

And Volkswagen made cars for the Nazis. And Hugo Boss made their clothes.
What's your point?

Just telling that Mosanto once made gas for Nazis

And, what do you want to discuss on GMO? I don't want to derail this thread from it's original purpose for long time
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