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Will Texas Eventually Turn Blue?

For Sure Yes
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Probably Yes
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Maybe
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Probably No
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For Sure No
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I Have No Idea
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Will Texas Turn Blue?

Postby Oldenfranck » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:14 pm

This is in an interesting question that gets a lot of attention in my home state of Texas. I personally think Texas will turn blue in around 15-20 years. This is for several reasons 1. hispanics are growing in huge numbers in Texas, with over 200,000 new hispanic voters every 4 years in our state, who tend to lean heavily democrat. 2. Our biggest cities which are some of the fastest growing in the nation have flipped blue: San Antonio, Austin, Dallas, and Houston, and by pretty big margins too. 3. blue areas have gotten even bluer ie El Paso, and the southern leg of texas with substantial sized cities like Brownsville and McAllen. 4. due to rapid city growth, and mass amounts of businesses moving from California and the North, The suburbs of our major metropolitan areas are much less staturated/concentrated with republicans as they were even 10-15 years ago. Make no mistake, they are still red, but much less so then a decade or so ago, and they seem to be continuing on that path. One suburban county of Houston, Fort Bend, even flipped blue this election, with a majority of the votes for Clinton. And another county suburb of Austin was within one point for Clinton. And most of the rest saw margins around 38-42 for Clinton vs 52-58 for Trump. While just in 2000 and 2004 most of the suburban counties ranged 23-34 ish for the Democrats, and 65-75 ish for the republicans. Even Corpus Christi was very close and came well within 2 points. And these changes are very visible in how our state has been voting. In 2000, Bush won with a margin of over 21 points, in 2004, Bush won with a margin of over 22 points, in 2008 McCain won with a margin barely over 11 points, in 2012 arguably one of Obama's worst approval times, and against a strong and possibly cream of the crop Republican, He lost by just over 15 points, and in 2016, not only couldnt president-elect cheeto puff win with double digits, he couldnt even manage to win with a 9 point margin (according to the secretary of state of texas, it was actually a hilarious 8.99% margin of victory, which makes it all the more hilarious). For these reasons, I believe Texas will eventually turn blue, but I would love to hear what people think.

Sidenote: I think if Texas does turn blue in a while from now, it will follow the path that Nevada, New Mexico, and Colorado have taken, and which Arizona is taking right now. Meaning it will continue growing at a rapid rate, especially in the cities and in suburbs. It will also continue to get more and more people from strong blue areas for our friendly business environment ie. California, and the North, and combining it with astronomically growth of the hispanic population, it could turn the cities overwhelmingly blue, and de-saturate/ de-concentrate the suburbs of the republican vote to turn the counties either baby red or baby blue shades, which, in hopes, could be just enough to let the democrats sneak by with a teensy tiny margin of victory.
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:17 pm

Instead of a simple yes or no answer, I'll say maybe, and explain.

Texas has rapidly changing demographics. Just look at Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio. Once reliably Republican strongholds are now very Democratic areas, with growing populations caused by an influx of Hispanics and Asians(many Vietnamese.) This demographic shift is obviously making the state different. Texas is majority non-hispanic white, anyways.

But it votes red consistently because voter turnout is exceptionally low in Texas' minority communities. Laredo, El Paso, all very blue, extremely Mexican cities that have extremely low voter turnout really hinders the Democrats from making too many gains.

So, if the GOP remains the way it is, it will take a while for Texas to go blue. Maybe 2024, if y'know, the GOP has the same stances then.

That said, Bush Jr. was pretty well liked among Hispanics, and if the GOP changes course a bit, they could attract Hispanics instead of turning them off. The Democrats pandering to identity politics is already slowly turning off a lot of Hispanics, if that continues, and if the Trumpish rhetoric dies down, Texas will remain red for a long time.

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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:20 pm

I certainly hope not.
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Postby Northwest Slobovia » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:32 pm

Major-Tom wrote:That said, Bush Jr. was pretty well liked among Hispanics, and if the GOP changes course a bit, they could attract Hispanics instead of turning them off. The Democrats pandering to identity politics is already slowly turning off a lot of Hispanics, if that continues, and if the Trumpish rhetoric dies down, Texas will remain red for a long time.

Yup. The assumption of inevitability relies on specific things about the two large parties remaining essentially constant. If they change -- and parties have a way of changing their platforms over time -- the assumption disappears.

The GOP becoming less racist is one change I'm hopeful for. Some people in the party want jettison the white sheets once and for all. The rise of a new party -- even an influential minor party -- could cause the two large parties to realign themselves with respect to the issues -- that's happened before -- and then politics in a decade or two could be unrecognizable.

It's even possible the terms "red" and "blue" will have different meanings about politics, or will disappear. They didn't exist a generation ago, and two generations ago, "reds" were Communists.
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Postby Romalae » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:34 pm

Probably at some point. Texas is a very urbanized state, contrary to people's stereotypes of us (tumbleweeds, horses and oil wells). We have a large minority population and a decent amount of transplants from elsewhere in the country (notably CA).

Important caveats:
•Texan Hispanics/Latinos tend to be somewhat more Republican-leaning than the rest of the nation's Hispanics
•Hispanics/Latinos tend to become somewhat more Republican the longer they've been in the country IIRC
•There could be a political realignment that negates Texas' demographic factors
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:37 pm

Once Dan Patrick gets his wish for Texas to lose more money than North Carolina with his very own Dick Police Bill the color blue will become very attractive to the Lone Star State.
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Postby Oldenfranck » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:39 pm

Gauthier wrote:Once Dan Patrick gets his wish for Texas to lose more money than North Carolina with his very own Dick Police Bill the color blue will become very attractive to the Lone Star State.


That is music to my ears.

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Postby Oldenfranck » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:48 pm

CNN exit polls showed that Clinton got 66% of Hispanic support nationally, and she got 61% in Texas. While it is substantially less, it is still a significant lead over what Trump got.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:50 pm

San Antonio and the 2016 election say "Maybe?"

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Postby Formidable Opponent » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:53 pm

Northwest Slobovia wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
The GOP becoming less racist is one change I'm hopeful for. Some people in the party want jettison the white sheets once and for all.



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Postby Novas Arcanum » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:54 pm

hopefully

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Postby Myuostii » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:55 pm

Okay, I say it is possible. I live near Houston and I've known it to make some rather democratic choices, and it's a very large city that likely has a couple thousand foreign immigrants in there. And let's not forget that -brief- moment early election day where Texas was blue. (Either that or I should stop following important events unfold on IFunny).
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Postby Oldenfranck » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:55 pm

Novas Arcanum wrote:hopefully


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Postby Balkenreich » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:58 pm

Romalae wrote:Probably at some point. Texas is a very urbanized state, contrary to people's stereotypes of us (tumbleweeds, horses and oil wells). We have a large minority population and a decent amount of transplants from elsewhere in the country (notably CA).

Important caveats:
•Texan Hispanics/Latinos tend to be somewhat more Republican-leaning than the rest of the nation's Hispanics
•Hispanics/Latinos tend to become somewhat more Republican the longer they've been in the country IIRC
•There could be a political realignment that negates Texas' demographic factors


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Postby Kyrusia » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:58 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:He lost by just over 15 points, and in 2016, not only couldnt president-elect cheeto puff win with double digits, he couldnt even manage to win with a 9 point margin (according to the secretary of state of texas, it was actually a hilarious 8.99% margin of victory, which makes it all the more hilarious). For these reasons, I believe Texas will eventually turn blue, but I would love to hear what people think.

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Postby Romalae » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:59 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:CNN exit polls showed that Clinton got 66% of Hispanic support nationally, and she got 61% in Texas. While it is substantially less, it is still a significant lead over what Trump got.

Yeah, on the whole they are still Democratic-leaning, but it is notable that Texan Hispanics/Latinos are almost 20% of the nation's Hispanics/Latinos and aren't quite as Democratic-leaning as, say, Californian Hispanics/Latinos.


As a side note, of course, not all Hispanics/Latinos are the same, since we know Cubans and Colombians tend to vote more Republican, while Mexicans and Puerto Ricans tend to vote more Democratic. Averages can be deceiving.
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Postby Balkenreich » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:01 pm

Romalae wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:CNN exit polls showed that Clinton got 66% of Hispanic support nationally, and she got 61% in Texas. While it is substantially less, it is still a significant lead over what Trump got.

Yeah, on the whole they are still Democratic-leaning, but it is notable that Texan Hispanics/Latinos are almost 20% of the nation's Hispanics/Latinos and aren't quite as Democratic-leaning as, say, Californian Hispanics/Latinos.


As a side note, of course, not all Hispanics/Latinos are the same, since we know Cubans and Colombians tend to vote more Republican, while Mexicans and Puerto Ricans tend to vote more Democratic. Averages can be deceiving.


Good, maybe the Texas GOP can get a hold of them. Either promote Hispanic Republicans in elections or some shit.
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Postby United Socialist Ecuador » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:03 pm

Soon. And I am far away to notice it.
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Postby Vijulia » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:04 pm

As a East Texan myself [I live in Angelina County], I can pretty surely say 'Not in the foreseeable future'. The rural vote across the vast swathes of Nowhere will continue to rule out the largely Democratic populaitons in Houston, San Antonio, and Dallas. Even if the Hispanics continue to pump in at an astronomical rate, they are more prone to vote for the Republican than Hispanics 8n other states.

Here in Angelina County during the 2016 election, we voted 72.5% Republican. That's a LOT of Red, even for a boondocks county like Angelina. The only way for the cities to run the elections against all this Red is for an insane jump in urbanization.

You can look at all the red for yourself here:
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/r ... ent/texas/
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Postby Aclion » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:04 pm

I think that using this election as a metric for future ones is a mistake, it was an outlier.
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Postby Formidable Opponent » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:04 pm

Balkenreich wrote:
Romalae wrote:Yeah, on the whole they are still Democratic-leaning, but it is notable that Texan Hispanics/Latinos are almost 20% of the nation's Hispanics/Latinos and aren't quite as Democratic-leaning as, say, Californian Hispanics/Latinos.


As a side note, of course, not all Hispanics/Latinos are the same, since we know Cubans and Colombians tend to vote more Republican, while Mexicans and Puerto Ricans tend to vote more Democratic. Averages can be deceiving.


Good, maybe the Texas GOP can get a hold of them. Either promote Hispanic Republicans in elections or some shit.


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Postby Romalae » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:08 pm

Aclion wrote:I think that using this election as a metric for future ones is a mistake, it was an outlier.

Similar trends have been noted in other recent elections.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:09 pm

Texas will have an increasing democrat population inside urban centers (where most immigrants go) that is for certain, but knowing most "redneck" and republican counties are in the interior and that they compose a large amount of colleges, Texas will keep being a strong Republican state if electoral colleges don't get abolished.

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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:20 pm

No. The major reasons is the mass confusion of the DNC right now and the West Coast social media leftists (not pundits, but the people here are pretty sectionalist) will probably start ramping up their bashing of the area with Trump's presidency. Although a lack of a Democrat president will probably be a boon to the Democrats, as the gun control agenda of the blue presidents tends to conflict with the state's liberal laws and attitudes on guns.
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Postby Sack Jackpot Winners » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:22 pm

Balkenreich wrote:
Romalae wrote:Yeah, on the whole they are still Democratic-leaning, but it is notable that Texan Hispanics/Latinos are almost 20% of the nation's Hispanics/Latinos and aren't quite as Democratic-leaning as, say, Californian Hispanics/Latinos.


As a side note, of course, not all Hispanics/Latinos are the same, since we know Cubans and Colombians tend to vote more Republican, while Mexicans and Puerto Ricans tend to vote more Democratic. Averages can be deceiving.


Good, maybe the Texas GOP can get a hold of them. Either promote Hispanic Republicans in elections or some shit.

I'm in the San Francisco area, and we've been having an unexpected uptick in hispanic Republicans running for office or participating in GOP events. Naturally as Republicans they didn't get elected, but its interesting.
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