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Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:08 pm

بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim

In the name of God, Merciful and benevolent, Praise be to God and Peace and Blessings be upon our master, The Messenger of God, his Companions, Family and those who follow him.

Welcome to the third Nationstates General Islam thread! A place for general discussion and debate on the teachings, history and community of Islam and a place for the Muslim Community of NSG to meet and talk about our faith and such. Muslim and Non Muslim alike welcome.
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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:10 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمٰنِ الرَّحِيْمِ
Bismillah ir Rahman ir Rahim

In the name of God, Merciful and benevolent, Praise be to God and Peace and Blessings be upon our master, The Messenger of God, his Companions, Family and those who follow him.

Welcome to the third Nationstates General Islam thread! A place for general discussion and debate on the teachings, history and community of Islam and a place for the Muslim Community of NSG to meet and talk about our faith and such. Muslim and Non Muslim alike welcome.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:13 pm

I decided to change the name to Islamic Discussion Thread so it can be easier to abbreviate and imply all aspects of Islam in one word. Pls forgive me.
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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:16 pm

No options for the Salafis, eh? ;)
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-- Qur'an 24:35


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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:23 pm

A Disclaimer on the Sunni-Sufi Part. "Sufism" is not a sect so much as Islamic Mysticism/Esotericism, historically known as Tasawwuf. Traditionally it and it's practices were recognized as normal, a part of Sunni Islam. But in recent times, Sunnis who follow the Sufi Practices and those who don't recognize or follow them have become increasingly separate in how they define themselves (in the West that seems to be the case. In other countries not so much)

Anyway, because of the contemporary controversy around it, I put Sunni-Sufi as a separate option from other Sunnis.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:23 pm

With you at the helm Jochi I'm kinda surprised there were no memes in the OP.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:24 pm

Hashemite Arabiyah wrote:No options for the Salafis, eh? ;)

Oh alright.
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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:25 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:With you at the helm Jochi I'm kinda surprised there were no memes in the OP.

Jochi knows when to keep it srs... sometimes...
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:25 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:With you at the helm Jochi I'm kinda surprised there were no memes in the OP.

:^)
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Postby Seraven » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:26 pm

I'm more Sunni and less Kejawen, Jochi.
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby The Alexanderians » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:26 pm

Hashemite Arabiyah wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:With you at the helm Jochi I'm kinda surprised there were no memes in the OP.

Jochi knows when to keep it srs... sometimes...

Inshallah :p
Galloism wrote:Or we can go with feminism doesn't exist. We all imagined it. Collectively.
You can't fight the friction
Women belong in the kitchen
Men belong in the kitchen
Everyone belongs in the kitchen
Kitchen has food
I have brought dishonor to my gaming clan
Achesia wrote:Threads like this is why I need to stop coming to NSG....

Marethian Lupanar of Teladre wrote:A bright and cheerful mountain village of chapel-goers~

The Archregimancy wrote:
Hagia Sophia is best church.

Major-Tom wrote:Why am I full of apathy?

I'm just here to be the peanut gallery
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:30 pm

The Alexanderians wrote:With you at the helm Jochi I'm kinda surprised there were no memes in the OP.

I hope I can handle this well and not have the thread degenerate into my meme plantation.

Seraven wrote:I'm more Sunni and less Kejawen, Jochi.

Ahhh.
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Postby Seraven » Tue Dec 20, 2016 10:35 pm

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
The Alexanderians wrote:With you at the helm Jochi I'm kinda surprised there were no memes in the OP.

I hope I can handle this well and not have the thread degenerate into my meme plantation.

Seraven wrote:I'm more Sunni and less Kejawen, Jochi.

Ahhh.


Well, yes. My family has been more Kejawen and less Islam, though Kejawen has Islam.
Copper can change as its quality went down.
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Seraven wrote:I know right! Whites enslaved the natives, they killed them, they converted them forcibly, they acted like a better human beings than the Muslims.

An excellent example of why allowing unrestricted immigration of people with a very different culture might not be the best idea ever :P

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Postby Alsheb » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:57 am

Happy to be present in the new thread as well. May Joch lead us to further glory, inshallah.

I may have worded things a tad bit over dramatic.
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Postby Bhikkustan » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:18 am

Mmm, that new thread smell

(Cos no one had done it yet)
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:07 am

There's an error in the survey: Shia are not Muslims.
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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:17 am

Islamic Government wrote:There's an error in the survey: Shia are not Muslims.

Shi'a are Muslim. Quranists are Muslim. Ahmadis are Muslim. Sufis are Muslim.

They're all Muslim. One big ummah.
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:21 am

Hashemite Arabiyah wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:There's an error in the survey: Shia are not Muslims.

Shi'a are Muslim. Quranists are Muslim. Ahmadis are Muslim. Sufis are Muslim.

They're all Muslim. One big ummah.


I thought Islam was about worshiping Allah, not about worshiping tombs and Imaams and cursing the Prophet's Companions and wifes.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:21 am

Oh yay

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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:25 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Hashemite Arabiyah wrote:Shi'a are Muslim. Quranists are Muslim. Ahmadis are Muslim. Sufis are Muslim.

They're all Muslim. One big ummah.


I thought Islam was about worshiping Allah, not about worshiping Imaams and cursing the Prophet's Companions and wifes.

Shi'a don't worship Imams, they worship Allah swt just like the rest of us.
God is the Light of the heavens and the earth; the likeness of His Light is as a niche wherein is a lamp, the lamp in a glass, the glass as it were a glittering star
-- Qur'an 24:35


Making a mod's eyes well up with bitter tears of disillusionment isn't actionable - but is it necessarily wise?
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Postby Alsheb » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:27 am

Islamic Government wrote:There's an error in the survey: Shia are not Muslims.

Oh come on. Not even one full page in, and we already have our first takfiri?
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:28 am

Hashemite Arabiyah wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:
I thought Islam was about worshiping Allah, not about worshiping Imaams and cursing the Prophet's Companions and wifes.

Shi'a don't worship Imams, they worship Allah swt just like the rest of us.


Yeah, this is why they chant "Labbayk ya Hussain" everytime they make """""""Hajj""""""""
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Postby Hashemite Arabiyah » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:29 am

Alsheb wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:There's an error in the survey: Shia are not Muslims.

Oh come on. Not even one full page in, and we already have our first takfiri?

It's about time. We hadn't had a takfiri in aaaaaaaaaaages on the old thread.
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:29 am

Alsheb wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:There's an error in the survey: Shia are not Muslims.

Oh come on. Not even one full page in, and we already have our first takfiri?


Lol I see we also have a Marxist feminist pro-LGBT "Muslim"

Maybe a bit confused?
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Postby Alsheb » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:32 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Alsheb wrote:Oh come on. Not even one full page in, and we already have our first takfiri?


Lol I see we also have a Marxist feminist pro-LGBT "Muslim"

Maybe a bit confused?


Not as confused as a Muslim who immediately commits the major sin of invokimg takfir, violating one of the main principles of Islamic jurisprudence, mate.
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