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Postby Svertopia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:01 am

Come on. Just because something is said out of fear doesn't make it invalid. Why?

I want to be assured that the US won't be at WW3 with Russia because of her foreign policy, and Russian rhetoric. Is there any really good reason why it's not true? People want to say "whatever" and all, but I really feel killed about it.

I think Trump is just loud, racist, xenophobic as a lot of other guys, but I was convinced that Hillary was more likely to start WW3. I was depressed over it on and off. I feel ashamed to discuss it with anyone in real life.

The last thing we need is for Trump's election results to be invalidated.

I encourage any questions.

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Postby CountryLandVilleTown » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:20 am

didn't happen in the cold war, won't happen now
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:27 am

Svertopia wrote:The last thing we need is for Trump's election results to be invalidated.


Because it would annoy the Russians after they fixed the election to get him elected?
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Postby Benign Retrofuturists » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:29 am

It won't happen.

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Postby The East Marches » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:32 am

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Postby Targovia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:33 am

The East Marches wrote:We will be home by Christmas. Trust me.

Yes, Russia will be nice enough to nuke us after Christmas.
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Postby Collectivist Germania » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:34 am

Well, look, Trump's far from ideal but he's a step in the right direction - No pun intended. People can use these buzzwords all they like but let's not forget that we just played chicken with nuclear war this election. If that doesn't indicate that something is very wrong with our system and those who run it, nothing will.
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Postby The East Marches » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:34 am

Targovia wrote:
The East Marches wrote:We will be home by Christmas. Trust me.

Yes, Russia will be nice enough to nuke us after Christmas.


Sounds like a lack of belief in victory to me
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Postby Juristonia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:35 am

Collectivist Germania wrote:Well, look, Trump's far from ideal but he's a step in the right direction - No pun intended. People can use these buzzwords all they like but let's not forget that we just played chicken with nuclear war this election. If that doesn't indicate that something is very wrong with our system and those who run it, nothing will.

Let's not forget it was Trump who asked multiple times why we couldn't just use nukes.
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Postby Lautrec- » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:53 am

It didn't happen during the Cold War, it won't happen now.

The nuclear arsenal of the US and Russia is extremely big and refined. If these countries go to war and use their stockpiles, the entire world will be polluted with nuclear fallout and we will all die. Nobody would benefit from this.

Moreover, modern nuclear attacks would be extremely hard to block completely because all countries prefer quantity over power. Which means that they will remain a war deterrent for a long time.

Trump may be a big but he isn't dumb and he isn't the only one governing the US.
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Postby Minoa » Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:58 am

Svertopia wrote:Come on. Just because something is said out of fear doesn't make it invalid. Why?

I want to be assured that the US won't be at WW3 with Russia because of her foreign policy, and Russian rhetoric. Is there any really good reason why it's not true? People want to say "whatever" and all, but I really feel killed about it.

I think Trump is just loud, racist, xenophobic as a lot of other guys, but I was convinced that Hillary was more likely to start WW3. I was depressed over it on and off. I feel ashamed to discuss it with anyone in real life.

The last thing we need is for Trump's election results to be invalidated.

I encourage any questions.

I am with you on the concerns, plus I also worry about the rise of racism and even the repeat of the Holocaust or Rwanda in 1994 as a result of the shift in some countries to right-wing populism.

Being a person in poor health, it is also hard (albeit not impossible with the right support and assurance) to avoid being taken in by a mountain of conspiracy theories that predict things like "false flag" attacks, wealth confiscation (with proponents such as MoneyWeek likely more determined as a result of recent events like this and this (both from good ol’ Reuters)) and a raft of secret societies doing things.
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Postby Vektes » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:05 am

I wouldn't lose sleep over the prospect of a Nuclear exchange.

It didn't happen at a time of far, far more likeliness, and it's extremely unlikely to occur today, at-least in a massed strategic manner as it's often imagined.

The vast majority of talk of the use of atomic weapons in foreign policy can be attributed to hollow-at-heart sabre rattling.

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Postby Dilordaopia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:07 am

>Nation flag
>Calls Trump a racist, sexist etc.

Not surprised.
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Postby Dilordaopia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:09 am

Frank Zipper wrote:
Svertopia wrote:The last thing we need is for Trump's election results to be invalidated.


Because it would annoy the Russians after they fixed the election to get him elected?

If Hillary won and we accused her of the same thing you would be having the same reaction as we are to your accusations.
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Postby Lautrec- » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:09 am

Dilordaopia wrote:>Nation flag
>Calls Trump a racist, sexist etc.

Not surprised.


/pol/ is leaking again

Also that shade of green is almost unreadable.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:10 am

Dilordaopia wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:
Because it would annoy the Russians after they fixed the election to get him elected?

If Hillary won and we accused her of the same thing you would be having the same reaction as we are to your accusations.
"MUH RUSHIANZ"


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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:12 am

Kindly explain to me how Hillary was going to start WWIII.

For all Trump's buddy-buddying with Putin and Russia, he's probably much, much more likely to make a rash decision that would snowball out of control.
The situation more likely to lead to nuclear war.
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Postby Marxistische Republik von Deutschland » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:13 am

Minoa wrote:repeat of the Holocaust

Why is the entire right wing always compared to straight up Nazism? You do realise American conservatism is pretty far away from genociding an entire ethnic group, yes?
Do you make the same comparisons to Right-Leaning Liberals?

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Postby Dilordaopia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:14 am

Vassenor wrote:
Dilordaopia wrote:If Hillary won and we accused her of the same thing you would be having the same reaction as we are to your accusations.
"MUH RUSHIANZ"


:eyebrow:

What i meant was: If Hillary won we would say that it was set up, but you would make fun of us. Just like we make fun of you.
Copy and paste this into your signature [if you know that more votes does not mean victory in the American electoral system
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:14 am

Minoa wrote:
Svertopia wrote:Come on. Just because something is said out of fear doesn't make it invalid. Why?

I want to be assured that the US won't be at WW3 with Russia because of her foreign policy, and Russian rhetoric. Is there any really good reason why it's not true? People want to say "whatever" and all, but I really feel killed about it.

I think Trump is just loud, racist, xenophobic as a lot of other guys, but I was convinced that Hillary was more likely to start WW3. I was depressed over it on and off. I feel ashamed to discuss it with anyone in real life.

The last thing we need is for Trump's election results to be invalidated.

I encourage any questions.

I am with you on the concerns, plus I also worry about the rise of racism and even the repeat of the Holocaust or Rwanda in 1994 as a result of the shift in some countries to right-wing populism.

Being a person in poor health, it is also hard (albeit not impossible with the right support and assurance) to avoid being taken in by a mountain of conspiracy theories that predict things like "false flag" attacks, wealth confiscation (with proponents such as MoneyWeek likely more determined as a result of recent events like this and this (both from good ol’ Reuters)) and a raft of secret societies doing things.

Yeah no, Trump is not "literally Hitler"
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Postby Constantine Lambros » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:15 am

Countries are selfish and want to prove they are the best through less radioactive means, because how are you better if you're not here?

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Postby Taviana SSR » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:16 am

I really wish for the DPRK developing even better ICBMs and more powerful warheads in order to become vanguard against US imperialist aggression.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:16 am

Dilordaopia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
:eyebrow:

What i meant was: If Hillary won we would say that it was set up, but you would make fun of us. Just like we make fun of you.

There's literally no reason for the Russians to manipulate Hillary into office.
They'd gain nothing from that. It would not be plausible.

"Your side" proclaimed for weeks if not months that it was fixed against Trump, that the system was rigged that there should be protests about the inevitable rigging.
Then Trump wins and now allegations of vote rigging are dumb and laughable.

Err, no, mate.
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Postby Marxistische Republik von Deutschland » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:16 am

Taviana SSR wrote:I really wish for the DPRK developing even better ICBMs and more powerful warheads in order to become vanguard against US imperialist aggression.

That's really funny, You oughta get into standup.

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Postby Asyir » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:18 am

Depends on how far China is willing to go over Taiwan. If we legitimize the RoC, there's a high degree of probability the PRC may attempt to take Taiwan by force. There's also a high likelihood China's already moving ballistic missiles towards the eastern and southern coastlines after Trump's statements (which were much needed, China needs to be rattled every now and again). The PRC won't tolerate a legitimized Taiwan, saying before that using military force isn't quite off the table.

A Chinese invasion of Taiwan could thrust the US and NATO (at least bits of it) into a skirmish (or full blown war) in the Pacific. This would mean for the first time in history, two nuclear powers would be in direct conflict. It's uncharted territory for sure at that point, and at this point, is probably the most "realistic" scenario involving the use of nuclear weapons.

Of course, none of thus could happen as well.
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