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Who do you support in the French 2017 Presidential Elections?

Marine Le Pen
146
41%
Emmanuel Macron
95
27%
François Fillon
35
10%
Benoît Hamon
36
10%
Jean-Luc Mélenchon
24
7%
Other
17
5%
 
Total votes : 353

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:16 pm

The French had their first round of elections on the main centre-Right party (Les Republicains) candidate last Sunday, and in a surprising result, former poll leader Nicolas Sarkozy only scored a distant third place (terminating his political career once and for all). Former prime minister Fracois Fillon got 44 % of the vote while former prime minister Alain Juppé got 28 %.

FTER an astonishing last-minute surge, François Fillon (pictured), a former prime minister, took a crushing lead in the primary for the French centre-right Republican party on November 20th. With a huge turnout of some 4m voters, he secured roughly 44% of the vote. That was fully 16 points ahead of the other qualifier, Alain Juppé, another former prime minister, who took 28%. The big upset of the night was the elimination of Nicolas Sarkozy, who had served as boss to both of them when he was president of France in 2007-12.

Mr Sarkozy conceded defeat graciously in a televised address, saying that he harboured “no bitterness, no sadness”, and would back Mr Fillon in the run-off vote on November 27th. It was a massive blow to the former president: he had already promised once to retire from public life, after he lost his bid for re-election against François Hollande, only to come back and try again. But voters on the French centre-right, it seemed, had really had enough of him. Mr Fillon beat the former president even in some regions thought of as hard-core Sarkozy territory, such as Alpes-Maritimes, which covers the Côte d’Azur.

The momentum is now clearly behind Mr Fillon ahead of second-round voting, making him the favourite to secure the nomination. Before the vote, polls suggested that he could beat Mr Juppé; one pollster, OpinionWay, put the margin at 54% to 46%. But it could be a tough contest. Mr Juppé’s team will not hesitate to strike at what they perceive as the weaknesses of Mr Fillon’s candidacy, in particular his economic liberalism. On paper, his economic programme is the more ambitious, and Mr Juppé will doubtless try to frighten voters by caricaturing his promises to cut back the state and rewrite labour-market rules as Thatcherite, the ultimate insult in French politics.

In other respects too, voters will have a fairly clear choice between the two candidates. Mr Fillon’s social conservatism—for instance, he opposes adoption by gay couples—appeals to Catholic traditionalists within the party. But it could put off younger voters, and those in the centre. He has been strident in his warnings against the threat of “Islamic totalitarianism”, whereas Mr Juppé has sounded a more unifying note with his call for a “happy identity” for the French. And the pair differ over diplomatic policy, notably on how to deal with Russia and Syria. Mr Fillon’s call for a rapprochement with Moscow and Damascus contrasts with Mr Juppé’s consistently hard line.

When voters turn out to make their final choice, however, character and temperament may count for as much as policy differences. What seems to have propelled Mr Fillon into the lead was a convincing performance in the televised debates, during which he came across as measured, sharp and trustworthy. Voters were clearly fed up with Mr Sarkozy, and turned out in massive numbers to back an alternative, but were unsure that the 71-year-old Mr Juppé was quite what they were looking for. Mr Fillon, aged 62, whose hobbies include driving fast cars—he was a guest on the French version of “Top Gear”, a television programme for car enthusiasts—offers a different sort of antidote to the frenetic former president.

The race for the nomination will now focus not only on which of the two candidates would be the best leader for France, but on who is best placed to beat the far-right Marine Le Pen. Polling suggests that the National Front leader will occupy one of the two run-off places at France’s presidential election next spring. Mr Hollande, whose popularity has sunk to 4% in one poll, looks unlikely to secure a place for the Socialists. This will put the Republican nominee in a strong position to become the next French president—but only if he can rally support both within his own centre-right camp, and from voters in the centre and on the left. He will need both to turn out if he expects to defeat Ms Le Pen.



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So it is very likely that either Alain Juppé or Fillon will face off against Marine Le Pen in the second round of the presidential elections next year and subsequently become president of France. Both are veterans of the French political scene, having served in various high government positions over the past few decades.
Juppé is the more Europhile, more Centrist and more statist candidate, with a more socially liberal agenda and a more moderate, inclusive approach regarding the Muslim minority of France.
Fillon on the other hand, is more critical of immigration and Islam, more socially conservative, very Thatcherite in his economic views and also in favor of increased cooperation with Russia.
Other points in Fillon´s favor are his clean vest (unlike Juppé who got prosecuted for corruption once) and the fact that he is 10 years younger than Juppé.

Personally, from a Europeanist, Centrist view I´d prefer Juppé (I also think that he would probably form a better working team with Angela Merkel) but I can see the various points speaking in Fillon´s favor.
Most importantly, I think that both men present a credible and presentable alternative to Front National candidate Marine Le Pen and will be a much better choice for the presidency than a clownish trickster like Sarko who tried to out-Le Pen Le Pen.

There are also the Socialist Primaries, but I consider a FN/Republicain standoff in the second round pretty much a given at this point. Hollande is deader than dead. I somewhat like Emanuelle Macron (a young, liberal, centre-left modernizer) but I think that he too is chanceless.

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Postby Aelex » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:28 pm

I was about to post some thread about it but you beat me to it; as a revenge, I will correct the (only two) spelling mistake you made : Les Républicains, François Fillon. :p

You mentioned that Juppé was condemned for corruption (he scape-goated for his "master" at the time, Jacques Chirac) and Fillon was not which is true. For now.
Let's say, however, that Sarkozy had no less than 17 cases of corruption on his back being instructed (which is the main reason he ran for presidency in the first place given that would have given him an immunity) and its unlikely that Fillon wasn't implicated in a couple of them, at the very least.
So yeah, our establishment is very much rotten.

Also, Macron is a total joke. Literally everyone hates him to the point that it's more likely that "Chasse, Pêche et Tradition" (Hunting, Fishing and Tradition) will get the 5% necessary to get their subventions rather than he does.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:32 pm

Aelex wrote:I was about to post some thread about it but you beat me to it; as a revenge, I will correct the (only two) spelling mistake you made : Les Républicains, François Fillon. :p


Hey man, I´m currently typing this from a Teutonic keyboard. Thankfully I didn´t accidentally insert any umlauts into their names. :p

You mentioned that Juppé was condemned for corruption (he scape-goated for his "master" at the time, Jacques Chirac) and Fillon was not which is true. For now.
Let's say, however, that Sarkozy had no less than 17 cases of corruption on his back being instructed (which is the main reason he ran for presidency in the first place given that would have given him an immunity) and its unlikely that Fillon wasn't implicated in a couple of them, at the very least.
So yeah, our establishment is very much rotten.


So whom do you personally prefer? I´m guessing that the "Bonapartist" part points more towards Fillon while the "Socialist leanings" point more towards Juppé, is that correct?

Also, Macron is a total joke. Literally everyone hates him


How so?
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Postby Aelex » Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:38 pm

Baltenstein wrote:Hey man, I´m currently typing this from a Teutonic keyboard. Thankfully I didn´t accidentally insert any umlauts into their names. :p

Fair enough. Tho, at least, we didn't went nearly as crazy as the Spanish when it come to using accents. ;)

So whom do you personally prefer? I´m guessing that the "Bonapartist" part points more towards Fillon while the "Socialist leanings" point more towards Juppé, is that correct?

If I had to chose between the two, I would take Valls without a second thought. All kidding aside, Juppé is the least worst of the two. Fillon, much like his mentor Sarko, is all talk and no actions. Juppé may at least be somewhat like Chirac and be mostly talk and some action.
How so?

He tried to force the roll-back of the quasi-totality of our labor laws to effectively give us the same statut as we used to have in the late 19th/early 20th century so, yeah. Saying that he isn't popular would be quite of an under-statement.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:20 pm

Blast! I wanted Sarkozy to win but I'd rather take Juppé over Fillon, especially since Juppé can definitely defeat Le Pen in the second round.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:20 pm

Aelex wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:Hey man, I´m currently typing this from a Teutonic keyboard. Thankfully I didn´t accidentally insert any umlauts into their names. :p

Fair enough. Tho, at least, we didn't went nearly as crazy as the Spanish when it come to using accents. ;)

So whom do you personally prefer? I´m guessing that the "Bonapartist" part points more towards Fillon while the "Socialist leanings" point more towards Juppé, is that correct?

If I had to chose between the two, I would take Valls without a second thought. All kidding aside, Juppé is the least worst of the two. Fillon, much like his mentor Sarko, is all talk and no actions. Juppé may at least be somewhat like Chirac and be mostly talk and some action.
How so?

He tried to force the roll-back of the quasi-totality of our labor laws to effectively give us the same statut as we used to have in the late 19th/early 20th century so, yeah. Saying that he isn't popular would be quite of an under-statement.

Valls is one sexy man.
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But this is going to be a another shit show like the US one.

Believe me, it's going to be Yuuge mess. If you don't agree you are wrong.
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Postby Aelex » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Blast! I wanted Sarkozy to win but I'd rather take Juppé over Fillon, especially since Juppé can definitely defeat Le Pen in the second round.

Sarkozy winning would had actually gave the F.N a chance to get into power in the second turn. Juppé is definitely the lesser evil.
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Postby Valaran » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:43 pm

I certainly preferred Juppé or Fillon over Sarkozy as the main challenger to the FN (lets face it, the socialists don't have a chance right now).

Of the two, I don't really mind. Though anecdotally, I found Fillon to be a pretty cool speaker :P
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:45 pm

Aelex wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Blast! I wanted Sarkozy to win but I'd rather take Juppé over Fillon, especially since Juppé can definitely defeat Le Pen in the second round.

Sarkozy winning would had actually gave the F.N a chance to get into power in the second turn. Juppé is definitely the lesser evil.

Yes I'm aware of that but I still like the guy. But I do agree that Juppé is the lesser evil
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:46 pm

Valaran wrote:I certainly preferred Juppé or Fillon over Sarkozy as the main challenger to the FN (lets face it, the socialists don't have a chance right now).

Of the two, I don't really mind. Though anecdotally, I found Fillon to be a pretty cool speaker :P

I don't know about that have you seen Valls? The sexy on that guy is up to a 11
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Blast! I wanted Sarkozy to win but I'd rather take Juppé over Fillon, especially since Juppé can definitely defeat Le Pen in the second round.

Alain Juppé certainly sounds like a better option than Fillon from the way the OP describes the situation. Not that I particularly relish putting Sarkozy's people back in power. Both are probably way better than Marine Le Pen, either way.

It's a real shame, too. I had such high hopes for Hollande back in '12. :(
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Postby Valaran » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valaran wrote:I certainly preferred Juppé or Fillon over Sarkozy as the main challenger to the FN (lets face it, the socialists don't have a chance right now).

Of the two, I don't really mind. Though anecdotally, I found Fillon to be a pretty cool speaker :P

I don't know about that have you seen Valls? The sexy on that guy is up to a 11


On tv, sure, but I've not been in the same room with him.

Eol Sha wrote:Alain Juppé certainly sounds like a better option than Fillon from the way the OP describes the situation. (


I've certainly seen differing descriptions of Fillons's policy ideas.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:49 pm

Valaran wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I don't know about that have you seen Valls? The sexy on that guy is up to a 11


On tv, sure, but I've not been in the same room with him.

Eol Sha wrote:Alain Juppé certainly sounds like a better option than Fillon from the way the OP describes the situation. (


I've certainly seen differing descriptions of Fillons's policy ideas.

In general, I oppose social conservatives.
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Postby Valaran » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:51 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Valaran wrote:
On tv, sure, but I've not been in the same room with him.



I've certainly seen differing descriptions of Fillons's policy ideas.

In general, I oppose social conservatives.


Likewise, but I should have clarified: I don't think Thatcherite is really the right label here.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:52 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Blast! I wanted Sarkozy to win but I'd rather take Juppé over Fillon, especially since Juppé can definitely defeat Le Pen in the second round.

Alain Juppé certainly sounds like a better option than Fillon from the way the OP describes the situation. Not that I particularly relish putting Sarkozy's people back in power. Both are probably way better than Marine Le Pen, either way.

It's a real shame, too. I had such high hopes for Hollande back in '12. :(

Is rather Sarkozy's people back in power than F.N. in power. Besides I actually liked Sarkozy.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:52 pm

Valaran wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:In general, I oppose social conservatives.


Likewise, but I should have clarified: I don't think Thatcherite is really the right label here.

Has Fillon caught the austerity bug? Juppé?
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I do have a question, though. What are the politics of nuclear energy in France? Is it a partisan issue or is the conversation more nuanced?
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Postby Valaran » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:56 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
Valaran wrote:
Likewise, but I should have clarified: I don't think Thatcherite is really the right label here.

Has Fillon caught the austerity bug? Juppé?


Not exactly (honestly the stances in economics are more complex, espcially when dealing with France). The Labour Laws (as Aelex mentioned) is arguably the main issue of contention here.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:58 pm

Eol Sha wrote:I do have a question, though. What are the politics of nuclear energy in France? Is it a partisan issue or is the conversation more nuanced?

Well most of France is powered by nuclear energy so I'd assume that it's a more nuanced conversation.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Nov 22, 2016 2:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I do have a question, though. What are the politics of nuclear energy in France? Is it a partisan issue or is the conversation more nuanced?

Well most of France is powered by nuclear energy so I'd assume that it's a more nuanced conversation.

I ask because, if I recall correctly, Hollande pledged to move away from nuclear energy to renewable energy. I think that's what I heard, anyway. I may be wrong.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:30 pm

So the choice will be a nationalist aligned with the new far/alt-right, or an anti-gay catholic thatcherite.

You can bet the alt-right are celebrating the result.
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The only thing he'll have going for him is panic over "The-Far Right" and pro-EU voters. That panic will dull as the grassroots does what they can to frame the issue around his social conservatism and present the new far right as a more palatable and modern alternative.

While Le Pen may still not win, it just got a lot more viable.
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"No no you don't, see, you only think that because you don't properly appreciate my tennis lessons. The root of all these kind of problems, including yours, is people not appreciating me enough."

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:37 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:So the choice will be a nationalist aligned with the new far/alt-right, or an anti-gay catholic thatcherite.

You can bet the alt-right are celebrating the result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmt45BF5SOM

Juppé isn't a Thatcherite
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:38 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:So the choice will be a nationalist aligned with the new far/alt-right, or an anti-gay catholic thatcherite.

You can bet the alt-right are celebrating the result.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmt45BF5SOM

Juppé isn't a Thatcherite


He's also not in the lead.
"Honey, I want to start playing golf."

"No no you don't, see, you only think that because you don't properly appreciate my tennis lessons. The root of all these kind of problems, including yours, is people not appreciating me enough."

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 22, 2016 3:40 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Juppé isn't a Thatcherite


He's also not in the lead.

But he'll be among the choices during the first round voting. Juppé is most likely to succeed to the second round.
Male, early 20's, liberal centrist, lives somewhere in the Deep South, loves dogs particularly German Shepherds, give me any good Irish or Scottish whiskey and I will be your friend for life. I'm GAY! Call me Thermy
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies
Click Here for RP Info Embassy Program
Ambassadors to the WA:
Ambassador to the GA Jon Æthr
Ambassador to the SC Eve Šanœ

RIP Dya

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