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[Submitted] Why Ya Gotta be so Rude

Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:41 pm

Name: Why Ya Gotta be so Rude

Validity: Valid for all nations.

Description: Today, the leader of Maxtopia sent you a fruit basket with a memo on it to have a great day, which made you slightly suspicious. Not even six hours later, a Maxtopian bomber was detected a few miles out of @@NAME@@'s airspace. It retreated after being warned that fire would be opened, but further investigation found it was capable of carrying nuclear weapons. The moment this was released, people stormed your office to give you solutions.

Debate:

[option]"I believe we should try the diplomatic route here @@LEADER@@," offers your Minister of Foreign Affairs, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "I say we contact the Maxtopian government and first find out if this was just an accident. It might have just been a training flight that went off course. In fact, I'll bet that's what it was. This proves that we should always trust in other nations to be doing things for good purposes, not evil; that is how our foreign policy should work in fact."
[effect]@@NAME@@ has become the world's prime live weapons testing zone

[option]"Or, ya know, we could just pretend it never happened," whispers your Minister of Intelligence, @@RANDOMNAME@@. "We could just totally deny the event taking place. Not only will it keep our citizens from panicking, but it will be like dealing with a schoolyard bully. If we just ignore it, they'll eventually stop since they can't get a rise out of us. Heck, we could do this a bit more often if you catch my drift.
[effect]the government denies everything from the blue sky to the threat of terrorism

[option]"Diplomatic option my right eye," beckons @@RANDOMENAMEMALE@@, a local patriot. "I demand you order the military to take action right now! I want to see fighter squads scrambled, armies mobilized, and fleets redirected. We must flex our military might to show these punks who really runs the show, and that is @@NAME@@."
[effect]the nation responds to negative comments by foreign powers via deploying invasion forces

[option]"Ok, diplomacy and all out military aggression may not be the best ideas," states @@RANDOMNDAME@@, your Minister of Alternative Solutions. "How about we play a game of keep em' up. We could send something like a full fruit salad, and two bombers to them. I doubt they'll pull a stunt like this again if we do the same to them, am I right @@LEADER@@! Let's show them who really controls the skies and miscellaneous fruit gift sending!"
[effect]the government wastes tens of thousands of @@CURRENCY@@s on jet fuel and fruit
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:42 pm

Suggestions? I'm tempted to add a third option, but I feel two extremes work best here-opinions on that?
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Postby Targovia » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:45 pm

Option 2 should at least raise your defense forces rating.
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Postby Purgel » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:45 pm

An insult option, like in EU4 and stellaris?
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:46 pm

Targovia wrote:Option 2 should at least raise your defense forces rating.

I've been trying not to include any stats, and leave it up to IEs, as I asked around and it seems to work better that way (but this hsould indeed do that).
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:47 pm

Purgel wrote:An insult option, like in EU4 and stellaris?

Ok, so we have the diplo option that ends horribly. Then add in an insult option. Finally the option that turns into WWIII mode?
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Postby Targovia » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:49 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Targovia wrote:Option 2 should at least raise your defense forces rating.

I've been trying not to include any stats, and leave it up to IEs, as I asked around and it seems to work better that way (but this hsould indeed do that).

Perhaps option 1 could lower defense ratings, and your niceness/compassion ratings as well?
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Postby The Country of Memes » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:50 pm

I think you should add another option to ignore the plane and pretend like nothing happened.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:51 pm

The Country of Memes wrote:I think you should add another option to ignore the plane and pretend like nothing happened.

Ooo, know that is a good one! So like a government cover up?
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Postby Purgel » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:53 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Purgel wrote:An insult option, like in EU4 and stellaris?

Ok, so we have the diplo option that ends horribly. Then add in an insult option. Finally the option that turns into WWIII mode?

Throw In the cold war, a warning and threaten to carpet nuke said nation option and there goes my idea bank.
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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:54 pm

Maybe a fourth option will be to do the same to Maxtopia. Like, the same threat.

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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:55 pm

Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:Maybe a fourth option will be to do the same to Maxtopia. Like, the same threat.

That would pretty much be option two though.
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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:57 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:Maybe a fourth option will be to do the same to Maxtopia. Like, the same threat.

That would pretty much be option two though.


Well, no, not like a full-out invasion, but send a fruit basket with a memo, and the plane.

Maybe a general or whoever would suggest you "one-up" Maxtopia. Like you send in several planes or the memo is a outward threat.

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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:58 pm

Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:That would pretty much be option two though.


Well, no, not like a full-out invasion, but send a fruit basket with a memo, and the plane.

Maybe a general or whoever would suggest you "one-up" Maxtopia. Like you send in several planes or the memo is a outward threat.

Ok. But it is basically a slightly toned down option two. I will put it in with he other suggestions though!
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Postby Purgel » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:06 pm

My suggestions

1.threaten to carpet nuke the said nation?
2.militarize the border?
3.warn the said nation?
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:07 pm

Purgel wrote:My suggestions

1.threaten to carpet nuke the said nation?
2.militarize the border?
3.warn the said nation?

Ok.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:11 pm

Updated to add a government cover up option.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:05 pm

Bump
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:08 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Commonwealth of Hank the Cat wrote:
Well, no, not like a full-out invasion, but send a fruit basket with a memo, and the plane.

Maybe a general or whoever would suggest you "one-up" Maxtopia. Like you send in several planes or the memo is a outward threat.

Ok. But it is basically a slightly toned down option two. I will put it in with he other suggestions though!

If all your options are insane people will just dismiss the issue. I rather like the idea of sending a legion of planes in response just to make a point though.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:10 pm

Aclion wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:Ok. But it is basically a slightly toned down option two. I will put it in with he other suggestions though!

If all your options are insane people will just dismiss the issue. I rather like the idea of sending a legion of planes in response just to make a point.

I'm slightly confused by your context here. Are you calling my current options all insane, or his suggestion? I don't mind if you find hem so, I just need to understand this better.
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:22 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:Are you calling my current options all insane

Well the second option isn't insane, It's just unpalatable to most nations. Currently the options are extreme pacifism, secrecy to the point of ridiculousness or going to war or almost anything. Having an option to take a more measured approach would give many nations at least something to consider before hitting dismiss.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:24 pm

Aclion wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:Are you calling my current options all insane

Well the second option isn't insane, It's just unpalatable to most nations. Currently the options are extreme pacifism, secrecy to the point of ridiculousness or going to war or almost anything.

What would you recommend I add or change?
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Postby Aclion » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:30 pm

The United Providences of Perland wrote:
Aclion wrote:Well the second option isn't insane, It's just unpalatable to most nations. Currently the options are extreme pacifism, secrecy to the point of ridiculousness or going to war or almost anything.

What would you recommend I add or change?

Well, Hank the Cat's suggestion; sending your own memo and your own planes seemed pretty good. Something like, "The government has adopted a strict policy of One-upmanship"
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:31 pm

Aclion wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:What would you recommend I add or change?

Well, Hank the Cat's suggestion; sending your own memo and your own planes seemed pretty good. Something like, "The government has adopted a strict policy of One-upmanship"

I can do that then.
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Postby The United Providences of Perland » Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:36 pm

Aclion wrote:
The United Providences of Perland wrote:What would you recommend I add or change?

Well, Hank the Cat's suggestion; sending your own memo and your own planes seemed pretty good. Something like, "The government has adopted a strict policy of One-upmanship"

I have made it so, opinions?
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