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The Syria Question(Democritus only)

Postby Zackaroth » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:06 pm

After weeks of long fighting in the country of Syria and pockets of resistance still flaring up from time to time, the time has come for the nations of the world to decide what to do with the nation once again. After falling apart for a second can it be trusted to stand on its own? Or will the nations nearby have to take the reigns themselves. The meeting its being held in the Zackarothian Capital of Toss, within the sacred halls of the Citadel, a massive tower built during the early 2000s that houses the High Leader and High Council.
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Postby United Democratic Christian States » Sat Oct 29, 2016 7:11 pm

Prussia arrives

With the meeting at an allied entente members country Kaiser Wilhelm feels relaxed enough about the situation to attend the meeting himself with his trusted friend Adam shoemaker, with nothing more than 2 guards who stand and wait at the entrance to the building.

"I didn't know Toss was this beautiful" he says to the high leader of zackaroth.
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Postby Imperialist Sweden » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:54 pm

Concerned about the humanitarian implications of the Syrian question, the Kalmar Union has sent Scandinavian Foreign Minister Margot Wallström to speak at the conference to represent the nation at the conference which has by far sent the most humanitarian aid and has admitted countless refugees as a result of its mostly open borders policy.

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Postby Zackaroth » Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:24 pm

The High Leader nodded at the Kaiser. " Indeed. When many picture the Middle East they still see small huts and villages in the sand. Not so with Zackaroth. We have updated and continually update our cities infrastructure. Almost 30 years ago this place a bombed out ruin and yet in half that time we have rebuilt it into the jewel of Zackaroth. Come then, I have no doubt the others will be joining us soon. I see the KU have already sent their representative to join us. I have no doubt hey will be the joykills of this particular meeting when it should be a victory toast"

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Postby Greater Persian State » Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:28 pm

Entering the hall, flanked by two bodyguards in olive green uniforms, clutching KH-2002 assault rifles to their chests, chests adorned with shining medals. Prime Minister Akbar entered with a confident grin, He honestly believed that Persia would find a strong settlement. He decided to chime in on the conversation between the Prussian Kaiser and Zakaroth High Leader.
"Agreed." states Prime Minister Akbar. "Persia and Zakaroth will make the Muslim world into a first-world paradise. Already, both nations have built ground-breaking infrastructure projects. I can only praise Zakaroth's achievements with building Arabia in a strong, firm, nation. But..." Akbar now changing his tone. "Human rights issues is paramount to me here, and Zakaroth certainly has some questions to answer. I look forward to our discussions."
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Postby New Metropolitan France » Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:53 pm

Bernard Lamar, Prime Minister of the French Republic, arrived at the meeting and took a seat after greeting the other leaders. Lamar reviewed his notes for a last time before waiting for an issue to be discussed which he could actively contribute to.

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Postby Zackaroth » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:41 pm

" That is were we differ, Prime Minister. You see the Middle East as the Muslim World. I see it as more then that. I am a devout muslim my self but even I can see the dangers a truly Islamic government can entail. I will not let what happen in the Cold War happen again. I will not see the Middle East torn apart by religious violence again. Religion exists to guide us, not rule over us" he said as he walked to the conference room. With the mention of human rights issues, the High Leader only smirked. " As I said Prime Minster, never again will I see the region divided among ethnic and religious lines. By whatever means nesscary" he said, his voice becoming low for a second.

He took his own seat at the head of the table and nodded to all leaders present. " Now then gentlemen, before I begin showing you what my vision for Syria is, some of you may already know, let us hear your vision for the country"

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Postby Losconia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:21 pm

A man quickly walks in with heavily armed body guards....
"Sorry for being late, some problems back home and all. Anyway, I am Senator.....erm..Samuel Hinderson...yes..
Our plan was to send the President of the UR again, however he is busy, so they sent me to represent him.
I see I didn't miss much"


"Hinderson" then takes seat at the conference table, and awaits the other leaders.

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Postby Greater Persian State » Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:32 am

The Prime Minister sat, frustrated with the High Leader assuming he was an Islamist. He was a proud secularist, and refused to let his Shi'a faith interfere with politics.
"Persia sees the foundation of a healthy, independent democracy in Syria. One that will grow and prosper without imperialism or dictatorship. Persia would gladly help fund rebuilding this country and setting the groundwork for a strong, independent country."
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Postby United Democratic Christian States » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:51 am

Greater Persian State wrote:The Prime Minister sat, frustrated with the High Leader assuming he was an Islamist. He was a proud secularist, and refused to let his Shi'a faith interfere with politics.
"Persia sees the foundation of a healthy, independent democracy in Syria. One that will grow and prosper without imperialism or dictatorship. Persia would gladly help fund rebuilding this country and setting the groundwork for a strong, independent country."

Kaiser Wilhelm rose up to counter the Persian argument saying, "Syria going straight to democracy is a very very bad idea. Without rebuildment from zackaroth or Persia itself it will only destroy itself again. I propose that Zackaroth or Persia annex Syria and rebuild it, and give stability in their time of need. However naturally being an Entente member I would endorse Zackaroth"

He then sat down waiting for another leader to respond.
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Postby Losconia » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:08 am

The Senator spoke up.
"I don't think annexing Syria will do any good. Look at it this way, the people who just killed thousands of people in Damascus just annexed their now destroyed country. They may rebel, and if they do rebel it would not be pretty, especially if Zackaroth is the occupier. If they don't rebel, then it's still going to be one big mess to clean up regardless. Law and order have broken down, a mere occupation is not going to help that. In fact it may invite foreign Jihadists, or other radicals to the country to make things worse. I say we establish a new government, preferably Democratic, and help this government gain power within the country. Then we pressure them to ratify a new Constitution. Within this Constitution, they will be prohibited from invading, or attacking another country, and not have a military. They can have a defense force, but not an actual military. I think we should also assist in the rebuilding effort as well"
Hinderson said in calm, collected, voice.

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Postby Greater Persian State » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:33 pm

"I concur with the Honourable Senator, Zakaroth's bombing of Damascus makes them extremely unpopular with the Syrian people, who's needs and concerns must be held high. I support a slow rebuilding process and the creation of a healthy, peaceful Republic. Perhaps Persian and Entente troops will remain in the country for a while to ensure stability, and withdraw when all seems well, perhaps leaving a few bases behind." stated the Prime Minister.
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Postby United Democratic Christian States » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:46 pm

"Prussia would agree to this" Kaiser Wilhelm said "however we would also like the two items on our wish list for the country"

1-continue helping refugees out in Dasmascus International Airport

2-have an FTA with the new Reoublic
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Postby Greater Persian State » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:40 am

"I would also like for Persia to be Syria's number one oil supplier. It would greatly benefit both nations." suggested Akbar, with national business interest in mind.
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Postby United Democratic Christian States » Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:45 am

Greater Persian State wrote:"I would also like for Persia to be Syria's number one oil supplier. It would greatly benefit both nations." suggested Akbar, with national business interest in mind.

OOC: Syria would need oil for maybe a couple of months
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"[28] He said to them: 'You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.' "
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Postby Greater Persian State » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:05 am

United democratic christian states wrote:
Greater Persian State wrote:"I would also like for Persia to be Syria's number one oil supplier. It would greatly benefit both nations." suggested Akbar, with national business interest in mind.

OOC: Syria would need oil for maybe a couple of months

OOC: and?
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Postby United Democratic Christian States » Sat Nov 05, 2016 10:54 am

Greater Persian State wrote:
United democratic christian states wrote:OOC: Syria would need oil for maybe a couple of months

OOC: and?

Then they wouldn't need u. That 2 months wouldn't be worth it
Call me Greg (my IRL name) or UDCS. Whichever works best for you.

"[28] He said to them: 'You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean.' "
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Postby Greater Persian State » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:29 pm

United democratic christian states wrote:
Greater Persian State wrote:OOC: and?

Then they wouldn't need u. That 2 months wouldn't be worth it

OOC: They will import some oil, we will do that.
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Postby Losconia » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:24 pm

OOC: Keep OOC discussion to a minimum..
You can settle this via telegram.
Thank you.

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Postby Orostan » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:27 pm

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Postby New Metropolitan France » Sun Nov 06, 2016 3:55 pm

"It is our opinion that the nation be split between Zackaroth and Persian spheres of influence, but the country remain independent."

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Postby Greater Persian State » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:24 pm

"A country split? I respectfully disagree with the French delegation." responded the Prime Minister. "Syria ought to be one, unified, peaceful, independent, thriving Democracy. With Entente and Persian troops to remain in small number to keep order and stability until Syria can create a competent self-defense and internal security force."
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Postby New Metropolitan France » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:32 pm

"Split influence, not split using borders."

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Postby Greater Persian State » Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:34 pm

"I mean not as in borders, but if half the nation is under different influence, then the unity of the nation is undermined. I also support an independent Syria, free of foreign influence excepting a few Persian and Entente bases."
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Postby Zackaroth » Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:51 pm

The High Leader folded his hands. " Unfournately, my Persian friend here doesn't seem to remember what happened last time we tried this. Syria fell apart which led to this situation in the first place. The country has constantly proven that every time we install a new democratic government, it will eventually destroy itself and the world must intervene again. This is the map I propose" he said having an aid pass out a map.

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" As you can see, the country has een spilt in two, each under a sphere of influence. As a formality and gesture of peace....we have given Persia most of the oil fields within Syria to redevelop and rebuild. We have taken western Syria and are willing and able to pay for all damages caused not only by us but by other nations as well. We are willing to make a pledge to spend our own money to rebuild Damascus and aid the victims who unfortunately got caught in our attack. However, do note Turkey was given a large portion of upper Syria after the last war as it has historical value to them"
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