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[DEFEATED] Liberate Singapore

Postby Rufford » Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:18 pm

The Security Council,


Noting the rich history of the region of Singapore, which has prospered despite enduring multiple raids;


Disappointed that after surviving a large scale invasion prior to the latest invasion, Singapore should fall again;


Observing that Singapore was recently invaded by The Invaders;


Believing that it is the intention of the raider groups to take permanent control of the region and exile its native community;


Citing the World Factbook Entry imposed, claiming that the region is “now under permanent control” and that these raiders will “purge this region of all inhabitants”;


Remembering the great damage that The Invaders have caused to countless other regions such as Social Liberal Union, Sweden and Russia, and fearing the continuation of this damage in Singapore;


Concerned that there is a high likelihood that a password will be placed upon Singapore, effectively eliminating all chances for natives to regain control;


Resolved to prevent such a disaster from occurring;


Hereby Liberates Singapore.


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This is the first attempt I've made at any Security Council resolution, so any critique would be greatly appreciated. Also, please note that it will not be submitted by this nation, another nation who made contributions to it will be submitting it, I'm merely putting it through the forums (apart from my role in authoring).
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Postby Roavin » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:42 pm

Who will be submitting, then?
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:43 pm

Oh wonderful another selfie by The Invaders.

A nation that's been inactive for nine days suddenly comes back to life to pen a literate and legal liberation, with no prior history of having written any submission to either the GA or the SC.

I believe even some of your region mates think you're a plant.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=21280838

It will be intesting to see which throwaway puppet you use to submit this.
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:47 pm

I will be submitting this.

I know given the recent history of the Invaders' selfie condemnations and liberations, everyone is inclined to believe this is just another one. But Rufford and I (as my puppet Somyrion) are both part of Solidarity, a defender organisation. We're working with nations from a bunch of regions, including the ITDA and U R N to work on the situation in Singapore.
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Postby Rufford » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:52 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Oh wonderful another selfie by The Invaders.

A nation that's been inactive for nine days suddenly comes back to life to pen a literate and legal liberation, with no prior history of having written any submission to either the GA or the SC.

I believe even some of your region mates think you're a plant.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=21280838

It will be intesting to see which throwaway puppet you use to submit this.

I'm not associated with TI in any way, and am not one of their puppets. That post was made by a nation in Sweden that was deluded and a strong opponent of mine in Sweden, and that was during a time of de facto civil war in Sweden, after we were raided. I was inactive for reasons that were totally out of my control if you must know. The proposal will be submitted by Mount Seymour, a friend of mine who also contributed to the writing of this, but did not wish to be credited as they will be submitting the proposal.
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:54 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Oh wonderful another selfie by The Invaders.

A nation that's been inactive for nine days suddenly comes back to life to pen a literate and legal liberation, with no prior history of having written any submission to either the GA or the SC.

I believe even some of your region mates think you're a plant.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=21280838

It will be intesting to see which throwaway puppet you use to submit this.

Also, maybe I should let Rufford defend himself, but he was on vacation for 9 days with his family, so he couldn't log on. He is currently the democratically elected delegate Prime Minister of Sweden, which was, like Singapore, destructively raided by The Invaders.

Telemax, the nation you cite, staged a coup-de-état in Sweden that took over with lots of puppets himself. And I would know. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm also Swedish Mysterion, and have been involved in Sweden continuously since the raid as Home Minister.

So let's get back to the real matter at hand. Singapore. I hope you realise that this is no proposal from the Invaders, this is a sincere attempt to free the region that's been raided again and again.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:00 pm

Then if you're genuine, and I have yet to be convinced of that, how about a rewrite that minimises actual references to the Invaders? Because at the moment it reads like recruitment poster for them.

Oh and I am very suspicious of first time authors who post a legal proposal straight up. In my experience there's always some error there that needs correcting.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:01 pm

Rufford wrote:I'm not associated with TI in any way, and am not one of their puppets.


I mean, past accusations by your own region in relation to TI raid of Sweden, the contents of this proposal, and other factors brushed aside...

10/29/2016, 1:58:56 PM: Rufford was admitted to the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:48 PM: Charal resigned from the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:25 PM: Rufford applied to join the World Assembly.

That's a pretty wild coincidence on top of the other factors. Almost...unbelievable.

Mount Seymour wrote:Also, maybe I should let Rufford defend himself, but he was on vacation for 9 days with his family, so he couldn't log on. He is currently the democratically elected delegate of Sweden, which was, like Singapore, destructively raided by The Invaders.


That...is impossible, unless he's multiing. Sweden's delegate, Gratis Sverige, is in the WA, as is Rufford. Unless you just meant "delegate" as in "Prime Minister" which the WFE lists Rufford as, and not, you know, the Delegate?
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Postby Rufford » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:02 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Then if you're genuine, and I have yet to be convinced of that, how about a rewrite that minimises actual references to the Invaders? Because at the moment it reads like recruitment poster for them.

Oh and I am very suspicious of first time authors who post a legal proposal. In my experience there's always some error there.

I accept your critique, and will make the edits that are needed.
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:06 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Rufford wrote:I'm not associated with TI in any way, and am not one of their puppets.


I mean, past accusations by your own region in relation to TI raid of Sweden, the contents of this proposal, and other factors brushed aside...

10/29/2016, 1:58:56 PM: Rufford was admitted to the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:48 PM: Charal resigned from the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:25 PM: Rufford applied to join the World Assembly.

That's a pretty wild coincidence on top of the other factors. Almost...unbelievable.

Mount Seymour wrote:Also, maybe I should let Rufford defend himself, but he was on vacation for 9 days with his family, so he couldn't log on. He is currently the democratically elected delegate of Sweden, which was, like Singapore, destructively raided by The Invaders.


That...is impossible, unless he's multiing. Sweden's delegate, Gratis Sverige, is in the WA, as is Rufford. Unless you just meant "delegate" as in "Prime Minister" which the WFE lists Rufford as, and not, you know, the Delegate?

Sorry, I meant Prime Minister, my mistake. Though he was still democratically elected.

No idea who Charal is, but while we were having discussions of who would submit it, Rufford pre-emptively joined the WA thinking he would submit it.
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Then if you're genuine, and I have yet to be convinced of that, how about a rewrite that minimises actual references to the Invaders? Because at the moment it reads like recruitment poster for them.

Oh and I am very suspicious of first time authors who post a legal proposal. In my experience there's always some error there.

Mmm, we did have a bit of help from people like Yodle.
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Postby Rufford » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:07 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Rufford wrote:I'm not associated with TI in any way, and am not one of their puppets.


I mean, past accusations by your own region in relation to TI raid of Sweden, the contents of this proposal, and other factors brushed aside...

10/29/2016, 1:58:56 PM: Rufford was admitted to the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:48 PM: Charal resigned from the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:25 PM: Rufford applied to join the World Assembly.

That's a pretty wild coincidence on top of the other factors. Almost...unbelievable.

Mount Seymour wrote:Also, maybe I should let Rufford defend himself, but he was on vacation for 9 days with his family, so he couldn't log on. He is currently the democratically elected delegate of Sweden, which was, like Singapore, destructively raided by The Invaders.


That...is impossible, unless he's multiing. Sweden's delegate, Gratis Sverige, is in the WA, as is Rufford. Unless you just meant "delegate" as in "Prime Minister" which the WFE lists Rufford as, and not, you know, the Delegate?

If you look at Svobodnaya Rossiya, my previously WA nation in Russia, you'll see that I resigned that nation, a puppet of mine, from the WA so that I could post this proposal as a draft. Also, I've asked Mount Seymour to edit that, because you are correct in thinking that I am the Prime Minister of Sweden, but I am not the delegate, Gratis Sverige is. I am not WA multiing, Gratis Sverige is a different person, I believe that was a mistake on Mount Seymour's part.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:10 pm

Rufford wrote:If you look at Svobodnaya Rossiya, my previously WA nation in Russia, you'll see that I resigned that nation, a puppet of mine, from the WA so that I could post this proposal as a draft. Also, I've asked Mount Seymour to edit that, because you are correct in thinking that I am the Prime Minister of Sweden, but I am not the delegate, Gratis Sverige is. I am not WA multiing, Gratis Sverige is a different person, I believe that was a mistake on Mount Seymour's part.


Hm.

10/29/2016, 1:58:56 PM: Rufford was admitted to the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:48 PM: Charal resigned from the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:25 PM: Rufford applied to join the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:02 PM: Svobodnaya Rossiya resigned from the World Assembly.

That is believable. Quite an odd coincidence then.
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Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
Rufford wrote:If you look at Svobodnaya Rossiya, my previously WA nation in Russia, you'll see that I resigned that nation, a puppet of mine, from the WA so that I could post this proposal as a draft. Also, I've asked Mount Seymour to edit that, because you are correct in thinking that I am the Prime Minister of Sweden, but I am not the delegate, Gratis Sverige is. I am not WA multiing, Gratis Sverige is a different person, I believe that was a mistake on Mount Seymour's part.


Hm.

10/29/2016, 1:58:56 PM: Rufford was admitted to the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:48 PM: Charal resigned from the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:25 PM: Rufford applied to join the World Assembly.
10/29/2016, 1:57:02 PM: Svobodnaya Rossiya resigned from the World Assembly.

That is believable. Quite an odd coincidence then.

I am not Charal, If anyone here wants a list of my puppets/other nations, they are very welcome to tg me or whatever.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:15 pm

Rewrite this as I have suggested and I might believe this is not another selfie. At the moment there is enough circumstantial evidence to keep me suspicious.
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Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Rewrite this as I have suggested and I might believe this is not another selfie. At the moment there is enough circumstantial evidence to keep me suspicious.

Working on it.
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Postby Rufford » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:29 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Rewrite this as I have suggested and I might believe this is not another selfie. At the moment there is enough circumstantial evidence to keep me suspicious.

I've changed it to mention them less, but I believe that some of the points require them to be mentioned.
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:46 pm

Oh, and we fixed some semicolons. ;)
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:48 pm

I spent 15 minutes on the post about the original draft, missed a single "/" in the bbcode, and lost all of my work. Luckily the draft has changed since then.

Rufford wrote:The Security Council,

The triple spacing is both unnecessary and ugly. Double spaced would look much better/
Noting the rich history of the region of Singapore, which has prospered despite enduring multiple raids.

Changed up the wording a little bit.
Observing that Singapore was recently invaded by The Invaders, with participation from The Kingdom of Great Britain, Lone Wolves United, The West Pacific, USSD and Exodus.

Listing all the regions is unnecessary, and very similar to each the selfy drafts TI has made recently. They were raided by TI is fine.
Believing that Singapore's native community is at significant risk.

Citing the World Factbook Entry imposed, claiming that the region is “now under permanent control” and that they will “purge this region of all inhabitants”.

Remembering the destruction that The Invaders have caused to countless other regions such as Social Liberal Union, Sweden and Russia, and fearing the continuation of this destruction in Singapore.

"Destruction" and "damage" are not interchangeable. Destruction implies that the region is permanently unusable. Since TI has yet to successfully refound a region, they have yet to have caused any regional destruction. This is one of the areas BBD implied you should get rid of btw. As I said before "They were invaded" is good enough. No need to tell us more about the invaders, it just serves as fluff.
Concerned that there is a high likelihood that a password will be placed upon Singapore, effectively eliminating all chances for natives to regain control.

Disappointed that after surviving a large scale invasion prior to the latest invasion, Singapore should fall again.

Missed a comma.
Wishing to prevent such a disaster from occurring.

100% personal opinion: I would change "Wishing" to "Determined". It sounds cooler.
Hereby Liberates Singapore

Liberates should be capitalized.

Edit: there was another edit between my last time reading it and now, but most of these points still stand.
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Ok, thanks
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:13 pm

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=22100374

If they say they'll destroy it, does that count? :p

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Postby Ransium » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:29 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Rewrite this as I have suggested and I might believe this is not another selfie. At the moment there is enough circumstantial evidence to keep me suspicious.


I cannot speak for the other nations co-authoring this proposal, but Mount Seymour is a long time native of Forest (I'm not sure of the exact timing off the top of my head but it feels like around a year) they have been a WA member the entire time and have never left the region. There should be zero doubt that they are not actively a raider and from everything they've written on the RMB I have no reason to suspect their intentions are sincere. Singapore held an embassy with Forest and Forest takes its embassies seriously so it makes sense that they would be motivated to write this proposal. (I am the LONG time WA delegate of Forest, if you are not aware).

On another note nice job Mount Seymour this is an amazing first effort at proposal writing.

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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 3:48 pm

Ransium wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Rewrite this as I have suggested and I might believe this is not another selfie. At the moment there is enough circumstantial evidence to keep me suspicious.


I cannot speak for the other nations co-authoring this proposal, but Mount Seymour is a long time native of Forest (I'm not sure of the exact timing off the top of my head but it feels like around a year) they have been a WA member the entire time and have never left the region. There should be zero doubt that they are not actively a raider and from everything they've written on the RMB I have no reason to suspect their intentions are sincere. Singapore held an embassy with Forest and Forest takes its embassies seriously so it makes sense that they would be motivated to write this proposal. (I am the LONG time WA delegate of Forest, if you are not aware).

On another note nice job Mount Seymour this is an amazing first effort at proposal writing.

Thanks for the compliment! I've mainly been doing this as the founder of Solidarity and try not to get Mount Seymour too involved, but it's my WA and sometimes I can't help it.

Oh, and to be precise, I joined on March 26, 2016 (exactly 217 days ago)!
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:10 pm

Ransium wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Rewrite this as I have suggested and I might believe this is not another selfie. At the moment there is enough circumstantial evidence to keep me suspicious.


I cannot speak for the other nations co-authoring this proposal, but Mount Seymour is a long time native of Forest (I'm not sure of the exact timing off the top of my head but it feels like around a year) they have been a WA member the entire time and have never left the region. There should be zero doubt that they are not actively a raider and from everything they've written on the RMB I have no reason to suspect their intentions are sincere. Singapore held an embassy with Forest and Forest takes its embassies seriously so it makes sense that they would be motivated to write this proposal. (I am the LONG time WA delegate of Forest, if you are not aware).

On another note nice job Mount Seymour this is an amazing first effort at proposal writing.

Fair enough, please excuse my suspicious and cynical mind.

I withdraw my objections etc because a) the willingness to rewrite it and b) it looks like a throwaway puppet is trying to get in the queue before you.
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:14 pm

How long do you suggest we hold this in draft before submitting it? It's good to have input, but at the same time, I don't want the puppet one to get approved first.
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:24 pm

Mount Seymour wrote:How long do you suggest we hold this in draft before submitting it? It's good to have input, but at the same time, I don't want the puppet one to get approved first.

Based off of the rate at which the other proposal is gaining approvals, not very.
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