Communism v Capitalism

[Ipland]

I personally am a supporter of free market capitalism, with regulation.
as I believe it gives every person an equal opportunity. I also think it is the most efficient for creating economic growth.
But, I along with some others in my region decided to start a debate in the forums.

So, what do you believe is more effective?
What do you support more?
Which is more moral?
Or do you hate both?

Remember to stay respectful of both sides please.

Debate!

[Luziyca]

Firstly, you cannot restrict thread participation to just a select few members. This ain't like the RP forums where you can pick and choose who participates. Here, anyone interested in such discussions can post in it.

Also, I feel that the OP needs to be a bit more fleshed out.

[Ipland]

Firstly, you cannot restrict thread participation to just a select few members. This ain't like the RP forums where you can pick and choose who participates. Here, anyone interested in such discussions can post in it.

Also, I feel that the OP needs to be a bit more fleshed out.

It's open to all

[New confederate ramenia]

Communist countries in East Europe, despite their anti-clericalism, preserved religion better than many capitalist countries. So church communism D

[Pandeeria]

Once the capitalist phase of development has been sufficiently achieved, Communism is the better option.

[Neanderthaland]

Once the capitalist phase of development has been sufficiently achieved, Communism is the better option.

With that in mind.

[Revitallia]

Frankly, Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. Communism just isn't practical in the real world.

And to be honest, if you're talking about the very ideals of them, 'pure' Capitalism and Communism, if you will, then I'm still on the side of Capitalism. I believe people should deserve what they get. I don't think everyone should get the same thing, especially if other had to work harder to do it.

[Pandeeria]

Frankly, Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. Communism just isn't practical in the real world.

When pseudo-intellectualism wins all :^)

[Kinubanza]

Capitalism, I choose you!

[Decorus Inperium]

Okay. Here we go Ipland. Communism > Capitalism

[Engleberg]

Proud capitalist who hates communism; so capitalism is best.

[Decorus Inperium]

Frankly, Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. Communism just isn't practical in the real world.

And to be honest, if you're talking about the very ideals of them, 'pure' Capitalism and Communism, if you will, then I'm still on the side of Capitalism. I believe people should deserve what they get. I don't think everyone should get the same thing, especially if other had to work harder to do it.

But the sweatshop worker works harder than the CEO. And who gets more reward? The CEO. In capitalism people don't get what they deserve.

[Revitallia]

Frankly, Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. Communism just isn't practical in the real world.

When pseudo-intellectualism wins all :^)

But really though. I know there hasn't been 'pure' Capitalism or 'pure' Communism, but in the examples that we have had so far in this world, Capitalism is the better course.

[Keomora]

I support capitalism, and on good terms with socialism. But no green light with communism

[Trotza]

Once the capitalist phase of development has been sufficiently achieved, Communism is the better option.

What, capitalism is useful?

*shocked*

But seriously, let that economic freedom ring as long as you're breaking up monopolies to preserve competition, and the money will flow like the Swiss GDP per capita.

[Revitallia]

Frankly, Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. Communism just isn't practical in the real world.

And to be honest, if you're talking about the very ideals of them, 'pure' Capitalism and Communism, if you will, then I'm still on the side of Capitalism. I believe people should deserve what they get. I don't think everyone should get the same thing, especially if other had to work harder to do it.

But the sweatshop worker works harder than the CEO. And who gets more reward? The CEO. In capitalism people don't get what they deserve.

In that scenario I'm talking about 'pure' Capitalism. By the book. Not practical Capitalism. But still between the two (practical Capitalism and practical Communism), Capitalism tends to work out better. A long way from perfect, but better nonetheless.

[Revitallia]

Once the capitalist phase of development has been sufficiently achieved, Communism is the better option.

And what happens when the global society progresses further? A switch back to capitalism?

[Pandeeria]

When pseudo-intellectualism wins all :^)

But really though. I know there hasn't been 'pure' Capitalism or 'pure' Communism, but in the examples that we have had so far in this world, Capitalism is the better course.

The only example we have of Communism is an attempt by bunch of unhealthy, semi-authoritarian Leninists trying to get Socialism in the poor, illiterate, dirt hole that was the Russian Empire. The same place where famine and disease were commonplace. All further revolts of the 20th century were merely outgrowths of the Bolshevik Revolution.

On the other hand, pure capitalism will still lead to a stratified, class society, with a strong state. It will lead to the same issues as before.

[Decorus Inperium]

But the sweatshop worker works harder than the CEO. And who gets more reward? The CEO. In capitalism people don't get what they deserve.

In that scenario I'm talking about 'pure' Capitalism. By the book. Not practical Capitalism. But still between the two (practical Capitalism and practical Communism), Capitalism tends to work out better. A long way from perfect, but better nonetheless.

Even if it does work better (which I totally disagree with) is it the more moral of the two systems? No, not at all. It's literally encourages selfishness and exploitation of the working class.

[Pandeeria]

I support capitalism, and on good terms with socialism. But no green light with communism

What does this even mean.

[Decorus Inperium]

But really though. I know there hasn't been 'pure' Capitalism or 'pure' Communism, but in the examples that we have had so far in this world, Capitalism is the better course.

The only example we have of Communism is an attempt by bunch of unhealthy, semi-authoritarian Leninists trying to get Socialism in the poor, illiterate, dirt hole that was the Russian Empire. The same place where famine and disease were commonplace. All further revolts of the 20th century were merely outgrowths of the Bolshevik Revolution.

On the other hand, pure capitalism will still lead to a stratified, class society, with a strong state. It will lead to the same issues as before.

This. So much this.

[Pandeeria]

Once the capitalist phase of development has been sufficiently achieved, Communism is the better option.

And what happens when the global society progresses further? A switch back to capitalism?

No. Once all of the world has developed sufficiently, the working class takes control of the means of production. From there, depending on which type of Communist you're talking to, the state rather whither away over a long period of time or is abolished quickly.

Then we can live in a world, forever free of the oppression of a rigid class structure and forever done away with the vice of nationalism and the all crushing state.

[Keomora]

I support capitalism, and on good terms with socialism. But no green light with communism

What does this even mean.

Nothing. I just wanted to keep an eye out for this thread.

[Trotza]

Frankly, Capitalism isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. Communism just isn't practical in the real world.

And to be honest, if you're talking about the very ideals of them, 'pure' Capitalism and Communism, if you will, then I'm still on the side of Capitalism. I believe people should deserve what they get. I don't think everyone should get the same thing, especially if other had to work harder to do it.

But the sweatshop worker works harder than the CEO. And who gets more reward? The CEO. In capitalism people don't get what they deserve.

That is more of a inevitability than an injustice, it's impractical to believe you can forge a system where results are always proportional to efforts every single time. For example, if I did something nice I wouldn't automatically expect some direct and exact positive result from it, it'd be unrealistic, because life doesn't and never will work that way. Besides, if you don't like what a CEO is making, then fight it. But don't expect business owners to willingly throw away their rights on who they can hire and what they can pay.

[Decorus Inperium]

What does this even mean.

Nothing. I just wanted to keep an eye out for this thread.

I think what Pandeeria meant was that to him Socialism and Communism are the same thing. When you say Socialism you mean Democratic Socialism, when he says Socialism he means Communism.