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Your Imaginary Friend
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Postby Your Imaginary Friend » Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:48 pm

Wishing TWP and TSP the best with this! :O
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Darkesia
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Postby Darkesia » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:27 am

There is chocolate to be shared and I will even lock some up, so Alice still has something to do with her time.

I hope this is the start of something fun.
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Postby Pierconium » Tue Apr 16, 2019 7:31 am

Congratulations to both regions.
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:37 am

Darkesia wrote:There is chocolate to be shared and I will even lock some up, so Alice still has something to do with her time.

I hope this is the start of something fun.

Although a little sceptical given mutual histories I have to say yeah, me too.
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Elegarth
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Postby Elegarth » Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:45 am

I'm really happy for this! This was one of the shortcomings of my Delegacy: not solving the TSP v TWP schism.

I tried, for the love of me, I tried. Specially since TSP had lend their troops to help us with the raid attack caused by he who is too meh to be named betrayal of the delegacy.

So I want to thank Halo and Roavin for completing the steps towards healing this schism! It fills me with joy :)
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Roavin
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Postby Roavin » Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:21 am

Elegarth wrote:So I want to thank Halo and Roavin for completing the steps towards healing this schism! It fills me with joy :)


Glen really should be mentioned first in the list of personnel from TSP responsible for this, I mostly just tagged along :P

Either way though, thank you!
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Elegarth
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Postby Elegarth » Tue Apr 16, 2019 2:00 pm

Roavin wrote:
Elegarth wrote:So I want to thank Halo and Roavin for completing the steps towards healing this schism! It fills me with joy :)


Glen really should be mentioned first in the list of personnel from TSP responsible for this, I mostly just tagged along :P

Either way though, thank you!

My thanks to Glen as well then :)
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The Holy Principality of Saint Mark
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Postby The Holy Principality of Saint Mark » Thu May 16, 2019 11:20 am

As many of you already know, Khanter was recently accused by Antifa of being a spy for a fascist organization. This accusation did not come out of left field, or without any evidence to support it. Antifa provided TWP leadership with the evidence it had collected, which pointed explicitly toward Khanter being a spy who was actively sabotaging Antifa ops. This evidence involved quite a bit more than the phone comparison that has already been shared. Furthermore, Khanter’s own statements regarding this have not stood up well to scrutiny.
The evidence against him, although very compelling, however, is not definitive proof. The government of TWP is left with more questions than answers in this matter. Specifically, we do not understand what Khanter’s motive for subverting Antifa could be. He has shown enthusiasm for anti-fascist ops in the past. The fact that no motive can be determined gives us cause to believe that it is possible that there is more to this story than we have been told.
However, the evidence is still strong enough that we cannot, in good conscience, do nothing. As such, we have elected not to ban Khanter, but to restrict his access to only what is publicly available. After thorough consideration and discussion of the evidence, the player known as KhanterWinters is suspended from the Hall of Nations and relieved of current government responsibilities.
This is not an action we take lightly. Khanter has been an incredibly active and positive contributor to our region for years, and is a fixture in our community. We are taking this action in the hopes that we will be able to review more definitive evidence in the future.

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On a personal note, Khanter has been, and remains, a good friend. I absolutely can’t imagine that he is a fascist. I want this to be eventually proven wrong. I have been up all night trying to create alternative theories that would be supported by the evidence. In the end, we have to act on what is rather than what we wish were so.
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Davelands
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Postby Davelands » Thu May 16, 2019 12:40 pm

As a former TWP Delegate, I applaud you for a very even-handed and fair decision on what appears to be a confusing and incomplete chain of events.
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Armaros
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Postby Armaros » Thu May 16, 2019 12:55 pm

These events have been very confusing.

Good on TWP for making this fair and balanced decision until further clarity.
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Queen Yuno
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Queen Yuno » Thu May 16, 2019 2:36 pm

It's not impossible that Khanter was framed by one of the other 20 players who had chat access (if KGB's statement is accurate)

I wouldn't be surprised if he gained some haters who would go that far.

From my own experience, plenty of fake friends backstabbed me too, so my heart goes out for his situation. Although I don't know any of the details because I haven't been active in NS lately.

Best of luck to your future, Khanter. If all your friends turn their backs on you, come to me.
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Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:


...is there a reason the logo for the anti-NPO New Year's jumpers looks like the butt and legs of a kneeling naked lady? :unsure:


Imperium Anglorum wrote:Lol badge hunting accusations against people who already have the badge. You don't get your whole page covered in badges when you pass more resolutions, you know.


Vancouvia wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:

Alright my bad I guess I'll check back in December 21st


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Arkadia Universalis
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Arkadia Universalis » Thu May 16, 2019 3:20 pm

Queen Yuno wrote:It's not impossible that Khanter was framed by one of the other 20 players who had chat access (if KGB's statement is accurate)

I wouldn't be surprised if he gained some haters who would go that far.

From my own experience, plenty of fake friends backstabbed me too, so my heart goes out for his situation. Although I don't know any of the details because I haven't been active in NS lately.

Best of luck to your future, Khanter. If all your friends turn their backs on you, come to me.


No, strictly speaking, it’s not impossible that Khanter was framed. It is, however, highly unlikely and makes no sense. Khanter is far more liked than he is hated. Furthermore, I’m impressed that you would so shamelessly use this situation to gather sympathy from the public for yourself. No one in TWP *wants*Khanter to be guilty. But the evidence is strong enough that we cannot do nothing simply because Khanter has been a valued member of the community for a long time.

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Honeydewistania
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Postby Honeydewistania » Thu May 16, 2019 3:58 pm

A good move from TWP.

Also Yuno, the thing is, if someone managed to perfectly imitate Khanter, why did they pose as Scottiesland and not pretend to be Khanter? If they worked hard to impersonate Khanter, why would the spy pretend to be Scottie?

Also I was shocked at the revelation. Khanter was my friend and we spend time discussing things with each other. Anyways, as one of our active soldiers, I wouldn't really believe that Antifa would just do a circlejerk against him.
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Tim-Opolis
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Thu May 16, 2019 4:15 pm

A difficult but appropriate decision from The West Pacific, given the circumstances.

While we can bemoan the lack of a 100% comprehensive counter-intelligence operation, writing it off with an argument grounded in conspiracy-oriented nonsense like saying he was framed is grasping at straws. I trust TWP’s verdict on the matter.

Also, for all the people calling for public evidence, I don’t know how many times we have to rehash it but most intelligence and administrative investigations are simply unable to do that due to NS rules such as the Defamation Rule as well as general player privacy rights. Mods wouldn’t be too keen on stuff like IP’s, emails, OOC logs, specific phone models, etc being posted on-site every time shit hit the fan.
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Queen Yuno
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Queen Yuno » Thu May 16, 2019 4:22 pm

Arkadia Universalis wrote: Furthermore, I’m impressed that you would so shamelessly use this situation to gather sympathy from the public for yourself.


Whoa there, that's a wild accusation that popped out of the blue, in response to my casually-typed post that 90% defends Khanter - and included a SMALL 1-liner about my own experience, that didn't even name names. So you had no reason to jump in and "defend your friends" because they weren't even named, much less a need to insensitively accuse me of that!

You are not a mind-reader, so don't say that my voicing my opinion about a specific topic is "just to get sympathy for myself" lmao
Especially if it's a very personal experience that hurts to write (and WAS ONLY A SINGLE SENTENCE, and then suddenly you accuse someone of "fishing for sympathy."

Thankfully I have emotional stability by now, but please don't do this to other people.
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Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:


...is there a reason the logo for the anti-NPO New Year's jumpers looks like the butt and legs of a kneeling naked lady? :unsure:


Imperium Anglorum wrote:Lol badge hunting accusations against people who already have the badge. You don't get your whole page covered in badges when you pass more resolutions, you know.


Vancouvia wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:

Alright my bad I guess I'll check back in December 21st


No way

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Queen Yuno
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Queen Yuno » Thu May 16, 2019 4:23 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:A difficult but appropriate decision from The West Pacific, given the circumstances.

While we can bemoan the lack of a 100% comprehensive counter-intelligence operation, writing it off with an argument grounded in conspiracy-oriented nonsense like saying he was framed is grasping at straws. I trust TWP’s verdict on the matter.

Also, for all the people calling for public evidence, I don’t know how many times we have to rehash it but most intelligence and administrative investigations are simply unable to do that due to NS rules such as the Defamation Rule as well as general player privacy rights. Mods wouldn’t be too keen on stuff like IP’s, emails, OOC logs, specific phone models, etc being posted on-site every time shit hit the fan.


A very reasonable response ^^^^

A good move from TWP.

Also Yuno, the thing is, if someone managed to perfectly imitate Khanter, why did they pose as Scottiesland and not pretend to be Khanter? If they worked hard to impersonate Khanter, why would the spy pretend to be Scottie?

Also I was shocked at the revelation. Khanter was my friend and we spend time discussing things with each other. Anyways, as one of our active soldiers, I wouldn't really believe that Antifa would just do a circlejerk against him."



Perhaps the Spy was trying to get Scottie framed, but that doesn't guarantee it's Khanter. (But as I write this post, I ask myself, why am I defending him? I don't think he HAS to stay in TWP or whereever the hell he hangs out now, I'm certainly not in TWP.
Guess I was bored, saw these debates happening on NS and wanted to play Devil's Advocate. I better get back to studying. )
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Sierra Lyricalia wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:


...is there a reason the logo for the anti-NPO New Year's jumpers looks like the butt and legs of a kneeling naked lady? :unsure:


Imperium Anglorum wrote:Lol badge hunting accusations against people who already have the badge. You don't get your whole page covered in badges when you pass more resolutions, you know.


Vancouvia wrote:
Vancouvia wrote:

Alright my bad I guess I'll check back in December 21st


No way

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Cormactopia Prime
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu May 16, 2019 5:17 pm

Arkadia Universalis wrote:Furthermore, I’m impressed that you would so shamelessly use this situation to gather sympathy from the public for yourself.

All she did was empathize with Khanter's situation. If the public has sympathy for her, it's because they already did, and for good reason.

This shade you just threw for no apparent reason has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and is beneath you. Spend less time with bad influences.
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Postby RiderSyl » Thu May 16, 2019 6:06 pm

Good on TWP here. I didn't think I would be able to approve of any decision based on the shaky and incomplete evidence that was provided. Turns out I was wrong. This is a measured and reasonable decision, and the game needs more of these.
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Fri May 17, 2019 10:00 am

RiderSyl wrote:Good on TWP here. I didn't think I would be able to approve of any decision based on the shaky and incomplete evidence that was provided. Turns out I was wrong. This is a measured and reasonable decision, and the game needs more of these.

As a citizen of TWP I’m very pleased with the reaction of our Government. Sometimes in these situations it’s seen as being easier to throw someone under the bus. I’m glad TWP’s response was both measured and appropriate.
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Postby Escade » Sat May 18, 2019 2:38 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Arkadia Universalis wrote:Furthermore, I’m impressed that you would so shamelessly use this situation to gather sympathy from the public for yourself.

All she did was empathize with Khanter's situation. If the public has sympathy for her, it's because they already did, and for good reason.

This shade you just threw for no apparent reason has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and is beneath you. Spend less time with bad influences.


This ^

I don't know Khanter well enough or the situation to comment there but the above by Ark had to be commented on for sheer nonsense.

Yuno was dragged through the mud without any clear and present evidence. If the reaction to her had been like the reaction to Khanter (reasonable, confused but assuming the best even though puzzled at what the limited evidence is implying) then she would have not still be waiting for some iota of justice. Instead she was thrown under the bus, trampled upon and the people who did it have still not answered for it in any meaningful and concrete way.

I hope the FBI one day comes into this little corner of the crazy internet and fucks up these players who think they can stalk people onto their social media platforms or otherwise gain people's IP addresses and other info for their own shit filled machinations. That is all the faith I have left in justice or fairness in this game.

Quit the BS.
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Postby Lazarene Ryccia » Sat May 18, 2019 4:16 pm

A measured and appropriate response by the West Pacific, given the delicate circumstances.

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