Convention (OOC, TWI)

[Corindia]

I think I get what he's saying. Most people don't care much or aren't aware of this, so they'll probably prefer to stick with the status quo.

That's an assumption that is entirely unfounded, and also fails to explain what Eut means with the distrust argument.

Anyhow, I'll see about updating the dispatch today with Van's arguments. I suggest everyone gives it a final look before we move to the polls.

Why do you think incumbents have an advantage?

[Agadar]

That's an assumption that is entirely unfounded, and also fails to explain what Eut means with the distrust argument.

Anyhow, I'll see about updating the dispatch today with Van's arguments. I suggest everyone gives it a final look before we move to the polls.

Why do you think incumbents have an advantage?

I'm not following.

[Taziristan]

I never said this thread hadn't been advertised, neither did I say that anyone was at fault, in fact I started out clarifying as such. I am saying that currently people aren't responding to the thread that "was advertised more on the RMB more any any other thread in regional history", that is the main crutch of my argument. The enthusiasm level is low, and unless people miraculously decide to become interested, there will be a degree of distrust, and as I've said, I don't commend that.

Why would a low level of general enthusiasm result in distrust towards the proposal?

I have trouble understanding the point you're trying to make here, Eut.

Because no one wanted this to begin with. That's a major thing you guys just took for granted. So now, despite this being am open forum, we are forced to vote again on a constitution that we didn't really want changed to begin with.

Also, the current map. Is that constitutionally controlled thing or no? In terms of the rules guiding it's replacement, I mean.

[Agadar]

Why would a low level of general enthusiasm result in distrust towards the proposal?

I have trouble understanding the point you're trying to make here, Eut.

Because no one wanted this to begin with. That's a major thing you guys just took for granted. So now, despite this being am open forum, we are forced to vote again on a constitution that we didn't really want changed to begin with.

Also, the current map. Is that constitutionally controlled thing or no? In terms of the rules guiding it's replacement, I mean.

The current constitution contains some lines on map replacement, yes.

[Taziristan]

Because no one wanted this to begin with. That's a major thing you guys just took for granted. So now, despite this being am open forum, we are forced to vote again on a constitution that we didn't really want changed to begin with.

Also, the current map. Is that constitutionally controlled thing or no? In terms of the rules guiding it's replacement, I mean.

The current constitution contains some lines on map replacement, yes.

So where would map replacement be left in the new constitution?

[Agadar]

The current constitution contains some lines on map replacement, yes.

So where would map replacement be left in the new constitution?

In the founder's hands, as it de facto already is.

Please direct your complaints about that towards Van, because I have as little to say about that as you have.

[Taziristan]

So where would map replacement be left in the new constitution?

In the founder's hands, as it de facto already is.

Please direct your complaints about that towards Van, because I have as little to say about that as you have.

Per the old constitution, we'd have legal grounds to put it up to a vote.

[Eutriston]

Why would a low level of general enthusiasm result in distrust towards the proposal?

I have trouble understanding the point you're trying to make here, Eut.

Because if people don't participate or don't change the constitution, they will feel like they aren't represented in it and therefore they distrust it. Their own fault, of course, but as the last vote proved, arguing against people tends to alienate them.

[Eutriston]

In other news, I disagree with the notion the founder should decide if it ties twice. It should be a joint vote of the secretaries, in my opinion.

[Agadar]

In other news, I disagree with the notion the founder should decide if it ties twice. It should be a joint vote of the secretaries, in my opinion.

While more democratic, it opens a door for abuse: secretaries could demand favors from president-elects in exchange for their vote. The founder has nothing to demand from president-elects besides them doing their job well.

[Taziristan]

In other news, I disagree with the notion the founder should decide if it ties twice. It should be a joint vote of the secretaries, in my opinion.

While more democratic, it opens a door for abuse: secretaries could demand favors from president-elects in exchange for their vote. The founder has nothing to demand from president-elects besides them doing their job well.

True. Except, you know, this is a game. So if we are really so complex at the end of this cutting down of government that certain secretaries might enjoy favoritism for their vote, then we have a problem.

[Agadar]

While more democratic, it opens a door for abuse: secretaries could demand favors from president-elects in exchange for their vote. The founder has nothing to demand from president-elects besides them doing their job well.

True. Except, you know, this is a game. So if we are really so complex at the end of this cutting down of government that certain secretaries might enjoy favoritism for their vote, then we have a problem.

I'm not entirely sure what problem we then have according to you, but I welcome any and all solutions for it.

[Taziristan]

However, a tie is unlikely to occur. Hell, I'll change my vote just to avoid a tie if one seems likely. I think most people would too as no election has been so contentious.

[Agadar]

However, a tie is unlikely to occur. Hell, I'll change my vote just to avoid a tie if one seems likely. I think most people would too as no election has been so contentious.

I don't think we've ever had an election ending in a tie, let alone two for the same office. Still, since it was suggested, might as well add the line. I see no harm in it.

[Taziristan]

True. Except, you know, this is a game. So if we are really so complex at the end of this cutting down of government that certain secretaries might enjoy favoritism for their vote, then we have a problem.

I'm not entirely sure what problem we then have according to you, but I welcome any and all solutions for it.

I was suggesting that if we were in a situation that a government so simple as this one had been so complicated by corruption and pork barrels, then this Constitution would have failed already.

[Agadar]

Updated the proposal (https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=711867) to reflect latest changes.

We're still open for business, so let's hear it, lads.

[Taziristan]

You know what would make this region really interesting? If we all bought bitcoins and made a real economy via twi. Interesting.

[Agadar]

You know what would make this region really interesting? If we all bought bitcoins and made a real economy via twi. Interesting.

Are you mad? A single bitcoin is priced in the 650's euros right now.

[Taziristan]

You know what would make this region really interesting? If we all bought bitcoins and made a real economy via twi. Interesting.

Are you mad? A single bitcoin is priced in the 650's euros right now.

Let's do it

[Pacific Peace Union]

Well... It has been 6 days since the last post on this thread. Anyone got any other ideas?

[Agadar]

Well... It has been 6 days since the last post on this thread. Anyone got any other ideas?

Nope. I've already been planning with Polar when to put up the poll, considering this thread has been quiet for some time now.

[Pacific Peace Union]

Well... It has been 6 days since the last post on this thread. Anyone got any other ideas?

Nope. I've already been planning with Polar when to put up the poll, considering this thread has been quiet for some time now.

Oh ok! Great! I really like where the consitution currently stands so I have a good feeling this time around.

[Agadar]

Nope. I've already been planning with Polar when to put up the poll, considering this thread has been quiet for some time now.

Oh ok! Great! I really like where the consitution currently stands so I have a good feeling this time around.

Aye, me too. There are a lot of good changes and additions that have been worked into this revision, and more people weighed in this time.

[Athara Magarat]

Umm, I think there was something about voting for the constitution?

[Agadar]

Umm, I think there was something about voting for the constitution?

Aye, soon.