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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:45 pm

United States of Stalinia wrote:Wouldn't it be more wise to, instead of just repealing this resolution, propose a more adequate an detailed version?

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Postby Los Marcos » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:59 pm

Repealing this act is a superfluous action. Instead a amendment to the original law must be enacted. Define what needs to be defined. Fix what needs to be fixed. and Clarify what isnt clarified. DO NOT fix what isnt broken. we do not need to repeal this. we need to modify it. Vote no.

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Postby Tinhampton » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:07 pm

Los Marcos wrote:Repealing this act is a superfluous action. Instead a amendment to the original law must be enacted. Define what needs to be defined. Fix what needs to be fixed. and Clarify what isnt clarified. DO NOT fix what isnt broken. we do not need to repeal this. we need to modify it. Vote no.

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Postby De Iskalde Brenningfjordene » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:23 pm

Shouldn't we have a repeal and replace sort of measure? It's kind of like Obamacare in the RW. Yeah it sucks and needs to be gone, but you have to have a replacement plan. Shouldn't we have that plan ready to go and a part of this resolution so that there is no gap in quarantine protocol?

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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:27 pm

De Iskalde Brenningfjordene wrote:Shouldn't we have a repeal and replace sort of measure? It's kind of like Obamacare in the RW. Yeah it sucks and needs to be gone, but you have to have a replacement plan. Shouldn't we have that plan ready to go and a part of this resolution so that there is no gap in quarantine protocol?

You can't legislate within repeals, that violates the GA rules. Repeals and replacement resolutions must be separate.
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Postby United States of Stalinia » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:52 pm

Separatist Peoples wrote:
United States of Stalinia wrote:Wouldn't it be more wise to, instead of just repealing this resolution, propose a more adequate an detailed version?

"Amendments are illegal and replacements require a repeal."


Then let us emplace legislation that makes amendments legal, rather than re-writing everything from scratch
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Postby Almonaster Nuevo » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:56 pm

I would be a lot happier with this if there were a proposed replacement.
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No amendment system?

Postby Arkadian Nations » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:06 pm

Seems somewhat nonsensical that there is no amendment system in place. It would make these proceedings much easier. I would call for legislation legalizing votes on amendments, and am happy to support such legislation upon debate.

BTW: I'm not sure that this assembly needs to define what constitutes "appropriate force" when stopping escapees in quarantine. This is entirely circumstantial and is more of an issue for individual national legislation, and military/police protocol in respective member states. Global legislation can not possibly apply adequately to every individual escape, and each escapee may require different levels of force based on their own actions, and based on local laws. protecting the public from mass pandemic can require lethal force while quarantining a lone patient for their own safety may require significantly less severe actions. We simply cannot cover something that broad, and any attempt to do so is likely in vain, if not overly intrusive where sovereignty is concerned. If and when this legislation is repealed, I would consider putting that up for debate and vote with the new legislation.


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Postby Umeria » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:07 pm

Almonaster Nuevo wrote:I would be a lot happier with this if there were a proposed replacement.

Well, there's this.
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Postby Separatist Peoples » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:31 pm

Arkadian Nations wrote:Seems somewhat nonsensical that there is no amendment system in place. It would make these proceedings much easier. I would call for legislation legalizing votes on amendments, and am happy to support such legislation upon debate.


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Virginian Inquisitors
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Repeal and Replace

Postby Virginian Inquisitors » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:35 pm

I agree with other comments made here about an amendment system. However, in lieu of that, it is necessary to repeal and then replace a resolution with something better. I support the repeal.
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:45 pm

United States of Stalinia wrote:
Separatist Peoples wrote:"Amendments are illegal and replacements require a repeal."

Then let us emplace legislation that makes amendments legal, rather than re-writing everything from scratch

It doesn't work that way. The World Assembly cannot change its ruleset with its own legislation.
Almonaster Nuevo wrote:I would be a lot happier with this if there were a proposed replacement.

As pointed out, there is one.
Arkadian Nations wrote:Seems somewhat nonsensical that there is no amendment system in place. It would make these proceedings much easier. I would call for legislation legalizing votes on amendments, and am happy to support such legislation upon debate.

Same goes for you. The WA has no authority to remove rules from the ruleset.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:23 pm

United States of Stalinia wrote:Then let us emplace legislation that makes amendments legal, rather than re-writing everything from scratch

Arkadian Nations wrote:Seems somewhat nonsensical that there is no amendment system in place. It would make these proceedings much easier. I would call for legislation legalizing votes on amendments, and am happy to support such legislation upon debate.

Virginian Inquisitors wrote:I agree with other comments made here about an amendment system. However, in lieu of that, it is necessary to repeal and then replace a resolution with something better. I support the repeal.

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Admins have said there will be no amendment system. It's the rules, we cannot change them, so stop complaining about it and debate the merits of the repeal itself.
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Read up on the rules.

Postby The Atlae Isles » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:43 am

The Atlae Isles delegation is very surprised that some voting nations still do not understand on amendments on resolutions, replacements and resolutions, and how they are mostly illegal.

What is on debate here is whether regulation of quarantines should be modified. As long there is a helpful replacement, the Atlae Isles will vote FOR the repeal. However, while a replacement would be the advisable path to go, one can not legislate in repeals (except repealing previous legislation.
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Postby States of Glory WA Office » Fri Nov 04, 2016 3:43 pm

Fairburn: We are happy to support this repeal effort. Best of luck, Ambassador Lockwood.
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Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Sat Nov 05, 2016 8:56 am

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Postby Varvuk » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:12 am

this is ridicolous, if this resolution was so bad written why did it came to our tables to vote, please make better resolutions otherwise we are just wasting time.

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Postby Umeria » Sat Nov 05, 2016 3:52 pm

Varvuk wrote:this is ridicolous, if this resolution was so bad written why did it came to our tables to vote, please make better resolutions otherwise we are just wasting time.

Ambassador, sometimes people make mistakes.
Frustrated Franciscans wrote:We are opposed to this repeal which we believe is merely nit picking.

I believe you have already stated this.
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Postby Potted Plants United » Sun Nov 06, 2016 5:28 am

OOC: Not giving you an entire IC post, but because the hivemind saw the target resolution unnecessary, their vote is for the repeal.
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Postby Zasnia » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:04 pm

I agree that there are loopholes in this resolution. However, this proposal though with its faults does improve the conditions for those which the act affects. Repealing the proposal and starting all from scratch again may not be the best idea. Make a proposal that is built on top of what 385 has completed, then repeal and put up the revised proposal.

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Postby Umeria » Sun Nov 06, 2016 6:08 pm

Zasnia wrote:I agree that there are loopholes in this resolution. However, this proposal though with its faults does improve the conditions for those which the act affects. Repealing the proposal and starting all from scratch again may not be the best idea. Make a proposal that is built on top of what 385 has completed, then repeal and put up the revised proposal.

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