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US General Election Thread III: Clinton vs. Trump

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Who Do You Support in the 2016 Election?

Hillary Rodham Clinton (Democrat)
376
37%
Donald J. Trump (Republican)
277
27%
Gary Johnson (Libertarian)
159
16%
Jill Stein (Green)
104
10%
Undecided
40
4%
Other
57
6%
 
Total votes : 1013

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US General Election Thread III: Clinton vs. Trump

Postby The United Territories of Providence » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:21 pm

The Conventions are over, The Nominees have been chosen, and The General Election has finally begun.

On the Republican side, Donald Trump has mystified the media and political establishment by becoming their nominee. When he entered the race last June, few people anticipated that Jeb Bush would not be the nominee, even fewer thought that the billionaire real-estate developer would vanquish not only Jeb Bush but 15 other assorted Senators and Governors. After announcing his candidacy, Trump rose to the top of the polls and never relinquished his lead. After Trump had amassed a large lead in delegates and the field dwindled to Ted Cruz and John Kasich, a movement emerged known as NeverTrump. The goal was to deny Trump enough delegates to win the nomination outright, allowing for bound delegates to become unbound and pick a nominee. The movement ultimately failed, and Trump not only won the required delegates to become the nominee, but he won the most primary votes in GOP history. Trump's rise was not without controversy however, he has picked fights with former GOP nominees Romney and McCain, he has declined to endorse Speaker Paul Ryan, and various statements from his campaign have been maligned. His proposals to ban Muslim immigration and construct a wall along the southern border, as well as his characterizations of immigrants, a gold star family, John McCain, a disabled reporter, and Megyn Kelly have been met with criticism from the media and within his own party. Trump picked Governor Mike Pence of Indiana to be his running mate, and the two were officially nominated at the Republican National Convention this July.

On the Democratic side, Hillary Rodham Clinton has emerged victorious after a bitter primary and has made history as the first female nominee of any major political party. Clinton herself was defeated by Incumbent President Barack Obama during the 2008 primary, and since her resignation as Secretary of State in 2013 it was widely expected that she would again seek the nomination of the Democratic Party and win with little opposition. However, Clinton faced a challenge from the Progressive-Left in the form of Senator Bernie Sanders. At the beginning of the primary season, it seemed that Clinton was vulnerable and perhaps could lose the nomination for a 2nd time, but her strong performance with African-Americans, Hispanics, and voters over 35 earned her a lead in pledged delegates that would eventually carry her to becoming the presumptive nominee the night before the California primary. She has had some trouble gaining the support of Sanders voters due to the polarized nature of the primary, and scandals from the DNC have further complicated her efforts to unify the base. A perception exists among voters that she is dishonest, and that narrative was continued by the FBI investigation of her unauthorized private e-mail server. Clinton picked Senator Tim Kaine of Virginia to be her running mate, and the two were officially nominated at the Democratic National Convention in July.

America is in a unique position, given the historically high negatives of both major party nominees, which has allowed for 3rd party candidates like Gary Johnson of the Libertarian Party to seize on a unusually large block of disaffected voters. He is currently polling in the low teens, and if he reaches a certain threshold, he could be the first third party to enter a Presidential Debate since Ross Perot in 1992. Johnson and his running mate William Weld are both former Republican Governors of Heavily Democratic states, and their biggest challenge has been name recognition. However, that could soon change given the nature of the Republican party and deep unhappiness from donors and some politicians over the nomination of Donald Trump. Conversely, Jill Stein of the Green Party has also shown some growth in polling which places her in the low single digits. She has been trying to reach out to angry Bernie Sanders voters, presenting herself as the progressive alternative to Hillary Clinton. Stein has adopted a Ralph Nader type strategy, proclaiming that there are no safe states and she plans to campaign across America. Stein has a limited following, but some Clinton supporters worry that she could play as a spoiler (something Stein has acknowledged and embraced) and elect Donald Trump. Stein nevertheless has campaigned on being the successor to the Sanders movement, despite Sanders endorsing Hillary Clinton. Stein and Johnson were the nominees of their respective parties in 2012.

The major party nominees remain divisive figures who present two very different visions for the United States. Trump with his America First Policy and "Make America Great Again" philosophy vs Clinton's commitment to expanding on the legacy of President Obama while adopting more progressive reforms from Bernie Sanders. Hillary is the odds on favorite to win in November, but given the anger of the electorate and unpredictable nature of this cycle...nothing is guaranteed.

Personally, #ImWithHer. But if you're on the TrumpTrain or you're FeelingTheJohnson or you're feeling more like JillNotHill or something like BernieOrBust or NeverTrump or NeverHillary...well, that's democracy. And regardless, America must make a choice.

The Tickets as of Today:

Donald Trump/ Mike Pence
Hillary Clinton/ Tim Kaine
Gary Johnson/ Bill Weld
Jill Stein/ Ajamu Baraka
(Updated With Semi-Regularity) Polls-Only Model, Electoral Odds according to Five Thirty Eight
A simpler, what-you-see-is-what-you-get version of the model. It assumes current polls reflect the best forecast for November, although with a lot of uncertainty. Polls-plus combines polls with an economic index; polls-only does not. Polls-plus will include a convention bounce adjustment; polls-only will not. Polls-plus starts by assuming that likely voter polls are better for Republicans; polls-only makes no such assumption. Both models revise this assumption as more data becomes available. Polls-plus subtracts points from third-party candidates early in the race, while polls-only does not. Both models employ a regression that is based on demographics and past voting history. But polls-only weights the regression less and places less emphasis on past voting history. Polls-only accounts for more uncertainty than polls-plus. Polls-plus and polls-only will tend to converge as the election approaches. The polls-only and polls-plus models discount polls taken just after the conventions, whereas the now-cast will work to quickly capture the convention bounce.

All versions of the model proceed through four major steps:

Step 1: Collect, weight and average polls.
Step 2: Adjust polls.
Step 3: Combine polls with demographic and (in the case of polls-plus) economic data.
Step 4: Account for uncertainty and simulate the election thousands of times.

Almost all state and national polls are included. If you don’t see a poll, it’s for one of these reasons:
The poll is very new, and we haven’t had a chance to add it yet. The poll was conducted directly on behalf of one of the presidential campaigns or an affiliated PAC or super PAC. The pollster is on FiveThirtyEight’s banned pollster list (pollsters we think may be faking data or engaging in other blatantly unethical conduct). Sometimes, there are multiple versions of a poll. For example, results are listed among both likely voters and registered voters. We prioritize polls as follows: likely voters > registered voters > all adults. If there are versions with and without Gary Johnson, we use the version with Johnson.

We calculate a weighted average in each state, where poll weights are based on three factors:

FiveThirtyEight’s pollster ratings, which are based on a firm’s track record and methodological standards. Sample size. A larger sample helps, but there are diminishing returns. Recency, which is less important early in the campaign and becomes more important later on. When a firm polls a state multiple times, the most recent poll gets more weight, but the older polls aren’t discarded entirely. The trend line adjustment (see Step 2) also helps to put more emphasis on recent data.

There are five adjustments, listed here in the order in which the model applies them. (The trend line and house effects adjustments are generally the most important ones.)

Likely voter adjustment
Convention bounce adjustment (in only the polls-plus model)
Omitted third-party candidate adjustment
Trend line adjustment
House effects adjustment

Instead of using one regression model, we take three strategies, which range from more simple to complex, and blend them together. The reason for this is that the more complex methods (especially strategy 3) are subject to potential overfitting. Hedging the complicated methods with simpler methods produces a better result.

Strategy 1: Pure PVI. This works by taking the national popular vote estimate and adding a state’s PVI to it. For example, if Clinton’s up 4 percentage points nationally, and a state’s PVI is Democrat +5 percent, she’d be projected to win the state by 9 percentage points.

Strategy 2: Regional regression. The adjusted polling average in each state is regressed on PVI and on dummy variables indicating which major region the state is in (Northeast, South, Midwest, West). Historically, this is the most effective approach. It can capture major changes in voting patterns from one election to the next, but doesn’t suffer from much overfitting. Regions are based on a combination of Census Bureau regions and political regions, as defined by FiveThirtyEight. Where they differ, a state is considered split between two regions. For example, Maryland is considered half Southern and half Northeastern by the model.

Strategy 3: Demographic regression. We regress the adjusted polling average in each state on PVI and several other variables, mostly related to race and religion, that are pertinent in this year’s election. (This includes the percentages of voters who are black, Hispanic, Asian, non-Christian, evangelical Christian, Mormon and college graduates. It also includes an economic index for each state, showing change over the last 12 months.)

The regression employs a technique designed to remove spurious variables. Still, it’s vulnerable to some degree of overfitting. That means the regional regression gets the most weight. Polls-only and now-cast do not use pure PVI, and instead use a 70/30 blend of strategies 2 and 3. So far, our regressions suggest that the electorate is slightly less polarized than in 2008 or 2012. Red states aren’t quite as red, and blue states aren’t quite as blue.

The adjusted polling average in each state is combined with the regression. The regression estimate gets more weight early in the race and when there’s less polling. The regression gets 100 percent of the weight when there’s no polling in a state. The polling average can get as much as 95 percent of the weight late in the race in a state with abundant polling. Polls-only and now-cast give slightly less weight to the regression than polls-plus does. As a final step, the regression is recalibrated so that the overall national popular vote is unchanged. If a candidate gains ground in one state because of the regression, the model will necessarily have her lose ground in another. In other words, the purpose of the regression models is not to say the country’s demographics inherently favor Trump or Clinton. Instead, it’s to create a more realistic distribution of the projected vote across each state, especially in states with limited polling. We don’t want to have Clinton winning Kansas based on a single poll there, for instance, while she’s badly losing Nebraska.

We usually run at least 20,000 simulations for each version of our model each day. That’s a lot, but it still produces a small amount of sampling error. You shouldn’t worry too much when win probabilities change by less than a percentage point. We simulate the vote by congressional district in Maine and Nebraska, which award one electoral vote to the winner of each district and two electoral votes statewide. Where available, district-level polling is used in these forecasts. If no candidate receives a majority of electoral votes, the model assigns the election to Trump half the time (because Republicans are very likely to control a majority of congressional delegations if the election is close) and to the winner of the popular vote the other half of the time

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Postby Tsaraine » Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:24 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:Megathread II is still active: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=384194&start=11775

This megathread is therefore premature.

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Postby Mister Data » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:16 am

Tsaraine wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:Megathread II is still active: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=384194&start=11775

This megathread is therefore premature.

You're still too early.

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I believe that's correct, sir.

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Postby Amazonian Fifth Legion » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:17 am

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Postby Talvezout » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:20 am

Would none of the above be other or undecided?
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:22 am

Talvezout wrote:Would none of the above be other or undecided?

None of the above would suggest that you support someone else not mentioned. Undecided would mean you haven't decided who to support.

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Postby New Jerzylvania » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:24 am

Ifreann wrote:
Talvezout wrote:Would none of the above be other or undecided?

None of the above would suggest that you support someone else not mentioned. Undecided would mean you haven't decided who to support.

Search your feelings for the truth.


Yes. Why rush to judgement? The candidates are so similar. :shock:
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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:26 am

New thread time, I see.

So, yeah, as my sig indicates, I voted for Bernie Sanders during the Democratic primary contest and still support the progressive ideas he pushed for and continues to push for. Since he isn't the nominee, though, I'm definitely planning on voting for Hillary Clinton on November 8. While I'm skeptical of her committment to this year's Democratic Party Platform and the positions she's only recently adopted, I'm confident that she's a million times better a candidate and person than her moronic opponent, Donald Trump. She's a liberal and she's competent and at this late stage in the election, that's about all I can expect her to be.
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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:27 am

Talvezout wrote:Would none of the above be other or undecided?


Undecided.

Other suggests a candidate that is either in one of the really small parties or someone who isn't running (Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, David Petraues, Martin O'Malley etc)
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:28 am

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Talvezout wrote:Would none of the above be other or undecided?


Undecided.

Other suggests a candidate that is either in one of the really small parties or someone who isn't running (Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, David Petraues, Martin O'Malley etc)

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I still can't believe Hillary has a chance in Georgia and Arizona. It's amazing.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:31 am

Ifreann wrote:
The United Territories of Providence wrote:
Undecided.

Other suggests a candidate that is either in one of the really small parties or someone who isn't running (Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, David Petraues, Martin O'Malley etc)

Vermin Supreme.


Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.
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Marylandonia wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYYTLJ8YHi4

Instructions: Copy link above, open another tab, paste link, play the song there as you read along back here on this tab. :)


Much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAeoW2IS3g0
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Dushan wrote:
Marylandonia wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYYTLJ8YHi4

Instructions: Copy link above, open another tab, paste link, play the song there as you read along back here on this tab. :)


Much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAeoW2IS3g0


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Postby Conservative Republic Of Huang » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:36 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:I still can't believe Hillary has a chance in Georgia and Arizona. It's amazing.

What can you say? You either worship Trump, or hate his guts. Right now, Gary Johnson is beating Trump in the poll(admittly, it is early).
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Ifreann wrote:Vermin Supreme.


Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.


No, that would've been nothing compared to Darryl Perry. Now, I don't ask much of people, but please please please watch his interview with The Majority Report's Sam Seder.

The Good Part starts at around 2 Mins, But just watch the whole thing

This guy got nearly 7% of the vote mind you.
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USS Monitor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Vermin Supreme.


Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.

Or if the Libertarians had finally made a good decision and nominated Vermin Supreme.
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Postby Hurdergaryp » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:40 am

USS Monitor wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Vermin Supreme.

Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.

But now you feel the Johnson, because the Johnson feels so good.


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Hurdergaryp wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.

But now you feel the Johnson, because the Johnson feels so good.


The Johnson needs to feel a big donor. I see Jill Stein is running ads on MTP Daily. So WTF Libertatians? You're being outspent by the Green party? :shock:
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Marylandonia wrote:
Hurdergaryp wrote:But now you feel the Johnson, because the Johnson feels so good.

The Johnson needs to feel a big donor. I see Jill Stein is running ads on MTP Daily. So WTF Libertatians? You're being outspent by the Green party? :shock:

Libertarians leave such things to charity, but when charity has to come from libertarians... The truth of the matter is that libertarian candidates tend to be popular on the internet, but that online popularity doesn't actually translate into real political power.


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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... s_why.html
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Hurdergaryp wrote:
Marylandonia wrote:The Johnson needs to feel a big donor. I see Jill Stein is running ads on MTP Daily. So WTF Libertatians? You're being outspent by the Green party? :shock:

Libertarians leave such things to charity, but when charity has to come from libertarians... The truth of the matter is that libertarian candidates tend to be popular on the internet, but that online popularity doesn't actually translate into real political power.


That sounds like a major flaw, doesn't it?

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Postby USS Monitor » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:50 am

The United Territories of Providence wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.


No, that would've been nothing compared to Darryl Perry. Now, I don't ask much of people, but please please please watch his interview with The Majority Report's Sam Seder.

The Good Part starts at around 2 Mins, But just watch the whole thing

This guy got nearly 7% of the vote mind you.


I would vote for Vermin Supreme over Darryl Perry, too, but Perry was never a serious contender. It was pretty obvious that most people wanted Johnson or Petersen.
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Ifreann wrote:
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Always a solid choice. I would seriously consider voting for him if the Libertarians had nominated Petersen or McAfee instead of Johnson.

Or if the Libertarians had finally made a good decision and nominated Vermin Supreme.


OMG, that would be hilarious if it ever happened.
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Postby Corrian » Sat Aug 06, 2016 10:52 am

Yes, The United Territories of Providence gets control of the OP still!
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