1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC][Discussion]

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1860 1870 : Alternative Divergence OOC THREAD - [Temporary Discussion Thread] IC//OLDER OOC//OLD OOC//OOC//MAP-08.03.2016. OP board Chair - Oscalantine OP board Co-Chair - Elerian OP of Applications and Edits - Tracian Empire OP of Events - Novacom OP of Disputes Settlement - Old Tyrannia OP of War Management - Second Helghan Empire [Heard of Reboot of Reboot?! Restart of Reboot of Reboot?!?] [Announcements~!!] [July 20th Announcement to RPers] “Men make History, but not at the time he wishes.” – Karl Marx__________________________________ But for the sake of argument, what if we could? Be it a point of divergence or a whole new nation, what if we could make history EXACTLY at the point that we wish? Hello and welcome to Another Alternative Divergence, an AH/AW RP where the world is your oyster to do whatever you wish. For the sake of continuity, the time now is 1855 C.E., and nations are expanding in a world not quite yet sobered by war for annihilation. What would be your vision of a world shaped by the nation that you call your own? Again, for the sake of continuity, we should set a few ground rules. All apps need a point of start and build-up – Whether you start from stone age and build it up to 1850 or simply change a few things here and there from 1800’s is up to you, but I would like for all nations to have an interesting history behind it… to prove you are capable AH/AW Rper. All nations MUST be somewhat original – Let’s try to be a bit more creative than having Great Britain at all its glory. You can keep the name and title, but you MUST have some degree of DIFFERENCE between your nation and the IRL ones. Everything can be excused with reason – I am willing to let anything be possible as long as it is stated clearly in the app with full explanation as to why it has come to be for your nation. … Similarly, I will accept NOTHING without a proper explanation. Nation Application Code: Select all [b]Full Nation Name :[/b] [b]Majority/Official Culture :[/b] [[What your people identify themselves with… French, Chinese, Iroquois, Touareg, etc.]] [b]Territorial Core :[/b] [[place where you have absolute control over]] [b]Territorial Claim :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[region NOT your core where your nation’s ambition lies]] [b]Capital City :[/b] [[Its IRL location and name]] [b]Population :[/b] [b]Government Type :[/b] [[Monarchy, Republic, etc.]] [b]Government Ideology/Policies :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[Militant, Imperialist, Expansionist, etc.]] [b]Government Focus :[/b] [[Tell me a little bit about what is your government’s focus… be it military, economy, culture, legitimacy, etc.]] [b]Head of State :[/b] [[highest-ranking individual in the nation according to rule of law]] [b]Head of Government :[/b] [[highest-ranking defacto ruler]] [b]Government Description :[/b] [b]Majority/State Religion :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[It does not have to be IRL religion]] [b]Religious Description :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [b]Economic Ideologies :[/b] [[Capitalism, Mercantilism, Socialism, Communism, etc.]] [b]Major Production :[/b] [b]Economic Description :[/b] [b]Army Strength :[/b] [b]Army Weakness :[/b] [b]Naval Strength :[/b] [b]Naval Weakness :[/b] [b]Further Military Description :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [b]National Goals :[/b] [b]National Issues :[/b] [[what needs to be fixed in order for your nation to achieve its true potential]] [b]National Figures of Interest :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[Are there any Mother Teresas or Moses that we need to know about?]] [b]National Ambition/Aspirations :[/b] [[OPTIONAL]] [[Not really a set objective, but rather the big picture that your nation is drawing towards]] [b]History :[/b] [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]] [b]Comparison Points – Political :[/b] [[How much national focus is gone into administrating the government, i.e. espionage, royal marriages, counter-intelligence, etc.]] [b]Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious :[/b] [[How much national focus is gone into religious and or cultural aspects, i.e. asking for excommunication, call for crusade, soviet revolution in other nations, etc.]] [b]Comparison Points – Economy :[/b] [[How much national focus is gone into economic matters, i.e. embargo/blockade efficiency, lasting through war of attrition, simply feeding your people better, etc.]] [b]Comparison Points – Military :[/b] [[How much national focus is gone into military, i.e. discipline, morale, better tacticians/generals, etc.]] [b]Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) :[/b] /10 Guidance System [[OPTIONAL]] This is something that I would like to try. We are creating an alternative world, right? Is there any historical divergence that you would like to be uniquely yours? Did the Chinese industrialize faster than Europeans? Did the Vikings settled down and colonized the Americas? Did the plague never wipe out Native Americans? Submit the app below, and you can add ONE alternative point as FACTUAL HISTORY for our RP! A few things to keep in mind: You can only have ONE Guidance. I’ll be the deciding judge on what is or what is not a single guidance. I would rather like this to be regional or global phenomenon, instead of “Nation A is the STRONGEST IN HISTORY!” Remember, you can always use your Guidance to cancel our others. EX- You can cancel out “Chinese industrialized faster than Europeans” with “Chinese industrialized faster than Europeans EXCEPT the English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, and the Dutch, which still managed to industrialize even faster.” If not stated by app or by Guidance, assume that the world was same as before. Of course, every app and every guidance will become something that need to be kept in mind in the RP. Guidance Application Code: Select all [b]Guidance Name :[/b] [[Every great event has a title. Doesn’t need to be fancy, like “Nanauatl hears our woes!” for curing the Smallpox by Spanish, and so on.]] [b]Guidance Description :[/b] [[What happened?]] [b]Affected Area :[/b] [[Just Europe? Just Middle East? Global?]]

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Current Map - Updated 2015-07-08


[Grey-ish Territories without names are claimed territories thus far]

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

[Current status of Reserves - 160713]

CLICK ON THE MAP FOR MORE ACCURATE PICTURE (the picture you see in the thread is a placeholder, and is updated infrequently)
The light Grey areas are AUTO-DENY if app is done, with exceptions pointed out in the map.

[Oscalantine]

Accepted Reserves - Updated 2015-07-26

[[Territories can be found in the above maps as to which territories are still open]]

Accepted Applications - Updated 2016-08-03

• Second Helghan Empire - Greater Hansa Federation
• Elerian - Greater Commonwealth of Saxahvall
• Tracian Empire - Imperium Romanum
• Cymrea - United Kingdom of Cambria
• Old Tyrannia - Dai Nippon Teikoku
• Benuty - The American Commonwealth
• Eurasian Hegemony - Union of the Holy Papal States and The Kingdom of Christendom
• Oscalantine - Imperial States of Korea
• Rygondria - The Kingdom Of the Netherlands
• Zionatra - United Kingdom of Israel
• Novacom - Aztek Ascendancy
• Western Imperial Union - Cheng Dynasty of the Chinese Empire
• Obilisia - Neo Russian Empire
• Vulkanas - The Kingdom of Sweden
• Orthodox States - The Theodemocracy of Deseret
• Stadenwick - The Holy Church of Moscow and Northern Finland
• Conwy-shire - The Kingdom of Courland
• Cabana - Suid-Afrikaanse Republiek
• The Ik Ka Ek Akai - Keshvar-e Shāhanshāhi-ye Irān
• Togeria - The Slavic Commonwealth of the Polish, Ukrainians, Serbians, Russians, Slovenes, and all other Slavs
• The V O I D - Le Consensus Pérou

Hiatus Applications - Updated 2016-01-17
[[This is for apps that have since declared that they have to take a break. Claims by these apps can be taken, in which case the app will disappear]]

• Claven - Neo-Akkadian Empire
• Mandicoria - Scandinavian Empire
• New Granadeseret - The Caliphate of Al-Andalus
• Kosovo12345 - The Union of Mexico and Texas
• Princess Kenny - Russian Kingdom
• Western Imperial Union - Confederation of California
• In Gentem Et De Libris Scientiam - The Golden Khanate
• Caraani - S.T.T.S.
• Timothia - The Independent City of Bermuda
• Krugmar - The United Territories of the Low Countries
• Suekiva - Principality of Taurica
• Gurland empire - Greater Nordic Union
• Soviet Chernarus - Republique de la Louisianne
• Cuprum - Republiek Argentinië
• Lenyo - Second French Republic
• Of the Quendi - The Brazilian Empire
• Imperialisium - The Austrasian Empire
• The Ik Ka Ek Akai - The Kingdom of Nepal
• The Greater Dutch Republic - Grand Duchy of Gotland
• Deutsch-Sudafrika - Third Kingdom of Brittany

Accepted Guidance - Updated 2016-01-17

• The Achaemenid Collapse - Roman influence in the Middle East was never high historically, which allowed for survival of Jerusalem as well as other Middle Eastern Kingdoms to survive; this resulted in survival of old religions like Judaism, Zoroastrianism, as well as other beliefs alongside Islamic religious rising.
• Legacy of Song Continues - "Oriental Tech" group is created consisting at first of Far East Nations. Nations within Oriental culture group enjoy EXACTLY the same technology level as Western Powers and Western Europeans have recognized Oriental culture as European's equals.
• Potential diplomatic recognition by Britain? - The ex-colony nation of Commonwealth is recognized as European's equals much faster and American industrial revolution came faster.
• Rihla Dawah - African Continent became predominantly Islam in faith. Areas of South and Southeast Asia, as well as southern China also became influenced by Islamic culture and their people defaulted to Islamic faith unless said otherwise by their respective nations' policies
• Jacobins and Blanquists and Communards, Oh My! - Any nation in trade deals with French region receives a nice economic boost (equal to 1 comparison point in Economy) but they are more susceptible to liberal revolution alongside their culture/religion aspect being degraded by French influence (equal to -1 comparison point in Culture/Religion).
• A Hamburg spark of Genius - German region becomes the most industrialized nation in the world at start, with urbanization already well under way. Any Western European powers (and by doing so Oriental group as well) receives up to 10 years tech boost for whatever their innovation, allowing invention to be obtained faster than IRL history.
• The Will of August - All sizable European community has some sort of Polish pockets, and Polish culture survived and thrives in the region of its origin. Courland is considered protector of Polish name and their connection to Courland is significant.

Guidance Name : The Achaemenid Collapse

Guidance Description : After the death of Darius I, the throne of Persia was contested between Xerxes and his half-brother Artobarzanes, the eldest son. The two brothers competed for influence amongst the satraps, and each created his own sphere of influence. The revolts in Egypt and Babylon grew, and the two brothers rushed to suppress them. In Babylon, Xerxes actions outraged the natives and the Persians were kicked out of the city. Achaemenes, a brother of Xerxes was sent to crush the revolt in Egypt, but he later declared the independence of Egypt by making himself Pharaoh and adopting Ancient Egyptian customs. Artobarzanes, taking the opportunity, declared himself King of Babylon and led her armies to victory over a few Persian armies. Unrest erupted over the empire and soon the Hebrews, Phoenicians, Anatolians and Assyrians too declared their independence. Xerxes and his armies were unable to prevent said things from occurring and he had to be content with Persia, Media and Elam.

Thus, the Persian empire was now pushed to the east, consisting of the Iranian plateau and parts of Central Asia. For many years after, they would try without success to conquer the territories of her former empire. In many of the states, old Persian marbles became the rulers. To cement their control, they adopted the cultures and languages of their respective territories

Affected Area : Middle East, Central Asia, Egypt, and Greece (Greece because Xerxe's invasion of Greece wouldnt have happened)

Implications :

1. Alexander conquered the Middle East... Persian Empire. Regardless of this, Persia simply fell faster. In its place many kingdoms rose prior to Alexander's conquest. However, once Alexander passed away, the native kingdoms, NOT his general, replaced the power vacuum.
2. For unforeseen reason, Roman influence in the region was never that high. Many of the Middle East kingdom survived either by outlasting the empire or simply paying tribute until the Romans fell apart.
3. As a result, Jerusalem still lives, and its second temple is still intact. For all intents and purposes, the holiest place in Christian beliefs still stands tall. However, as the major religion is Judaism in the area and not of fully-Christian dogma, the Jewish would never surrender to Christian controls, indicating that a fully-independent Jewish nation must exist with Israel as core.
4. Islamic conquest still happened. Prophet Muhammad's teachings still spread from Middle East to North Africa and Central Asia. However, in the Middle East, native religions such as Zoroastrianism and others survived, worshiped by the native kingdoms which has outlasted the hostile Jihad by the Muslims. As a result, North Africa and Middle East region has a very strong Islamic influence, and nations with cores in the region should at least tolerate Sunni religion for to start with the nation as its core.

Guidance Name : Legacy of Song continues
Guidance Description : Scientific and technological revolutions occurred during Song Dynasty was astounding. These legacies allowed Song Dynasty leaps and miles ahead of technological capabilities of other nations. It could be argued that Song Dynasty was able to continue its existence thanks to its own technological feats rather than its administrative capabilities. However, its eventual fall to the Mongols saw the fall of Song Dynasty… but nots its legacy.
Under the Pax Mongolia, the technologies were inherited Mongol Empire, who allowed these technologies to flourish and continue. More importantly, technological engineering of Song Dynasty were shared with the rest of the world. This allowed Mongol Empire and to spread the engineering feats of Song Dynasty with the Far East cousins, allowing Far East countries great amount of technological advancement under Pax Mongolia.
Furthermore, with the creation of Golden Khanate after the fall of Mongol Empire, which allowed the Khanate ideals of advancement and sharing of scientific advancements, invaded and successfully re-conquered the Chinese once more, further allowing Song Dynasty’s legacies to be continued and shared. This allowed the Song Dynasty’s scientific progress to continue throughout the oriental history.
Furthermore, as Golden Khanate held firm grip in the orient, the neo-Confucian idea were unable to become the dominant ideology. Neo-Confucianism, which in current timeline halted scientific progress due to its conservative beliefs, were unable to take root in China and Far East in general. Without the philosophical bottleneck, the legacy of Song Dynasty continued, allowing industrialization to occur in the Far East.
In short, due to Song Dynasty’s legacy kept in hold by the Mongolian grip on the Chinese proper, Far East regions maintained their technological growth, allowing them to compete with the Western nations. While not superior… and perhaps not even very well spread, the Europeans had to acknowledge that the Far East were their equals in terms of science and culture.

Affected Area : Oriental Asia, including Manchurian provinces, mainland China, Korean Peninsula, and Japanese Islands. European perception of Far East region has also changed from “primitive” to “equals.”

Implications :

1. The region of East Asia has technological advancement similar to that of West.
2. Due to this technological feats, East Asian nations are accepted into the "imperial world" much as the same as Westerners, as they are unable to ignore the East's power

Guidance Name : Potential diplomatic recognition by Britain?

Guidance Description : Despite the willingness of London's creditors, and bankers to deal with the supposedly rogue colonies within North America the royal government has since the creation of the American Commonwealth refused to deal with them. For a period of 204 years since the failed rebellion by Parliament against the absolutist tendencies of King Charles I, and the mass exodus to the colonies following the aftermath of the loss their has been absolute diplomatic silence. Now with the industrial revolution undermining the traditional power of the aristocracy there is being undermined by the expanding middle class. The need for goods which have long been absent from the British economy has also stirred some murmur in the government as well. A diplomatic attaché arrived in Philadelphia, and has been working toward progress in an official treaty known as the Convention of Philadelphia, but the question remains if the current monarch will approve of the treaty or continue longstanding policy.

Affected Area : The Americas, and potentially global trade.

Implications :

1. The Parliament of England left the mainland for today-commonwealth, afterwards they pursued independence
2. American Commonwealth and British mainland don't see eye to eye because former sees latter as a tyrant and hindrance to human progress
3. Parliament did scorched earth upon the lands that they were settled on... which would have recovered by 1850. However, at the time it was damaging enough that it could have caused a massive setback, which allowed America to successfully gain independence with much of British claims in North America
4. Cambria's religious reformation back to Druidism alienated many, forcing the exodus to this new nation where religious freedom was assured. While, again, population decrease since then has been mended by Cambria, the result was greater population increase in the ex-colony in the British-colonial regions and American Scientific Renaissance, the foundation from which the Industrial Revolution in the Commonwealth occurred.

Guidance Name : Rihla Dawah (The Great Journey of Invitation)
Guidance Description : The Great Journey of Invitation was an expansive network of missionaries, merchants, and converted leaders of African states originally formed during the early 14th century, but still active to this day as one of the largest organized groups religious groups on the planet. It was founded by notable Moroccan traveler and scholar Ibn Battuta (Though not intentionally), after his Hajj in 1325; the experience having filled him with a religious zeal and the journey filling his legs with wanderlust. His exploits are recorded in the famous novel A Gift to Those Who Contemplate the Wonders of Cities and the Marvels of Travelling, Ibn spent his life on a 32 year exploration of the globe alongside a collection of aṣ-ṣaḥābah made up of other visitors to the Holy Cities. Over the course of his adventures, he and his companions would stop in many wondrous places they recorded in great detail: The great trade cities of Mogadishu in the land of the Somalis and the city-states of the Swahili coast, traveling around the Arabic peninsula to stop in Persia and minor principalities of North India and the strange land of the Saxahvall where they wear horns atop their helms to celebrate sacred cattle, yet act much like the raiders of the Far North. He traveled to the jungles of the Viet and Thailand, where the temples commanded water and the kings were supposed gods incarnate, to the lands under the protection of the Great Khan in China where barbarity and the must groomed of cultures sit side by side, to where that culture survived in the far south alongside the isles of pepper and ginger. Sailing back through India, around the furthers south of Africa and the great, unorganized Savanna's, to the river tribes of the Congo and the great city of Mali with the Sultan rich in gold. the nomadic lands of the Tuerg and coastal folks of Tunis, Algers, and Tripolitania before finishing it off with a trip up the Nile to the pyramids and great buildings of Alexandria before finally taking his trip home alone. Along the way, in many of the places they stopped, one of his companions would take a fancy; remaining behind and teaching the locals of the Ways of the Prophet... setting off the spark in some of their souls which would fill them with the drive to convert, in a self-feeding cycle which would fan across the countryside in wave of holy fire. This was most effective where there was little organized force to halt the practice; casting the worship of totems and hills spirits to the four winds and stiffening the continent's souls against those who would make God three, though it did not take nearly the same hold where strong state church was there to squelch it, the converts and the decedents of the converts of each of the companions slowly coming to the realization of one another to trade and travel; lodges and orders dedicated to a particular Companion springing up to officiate the worship and care of these different fragments of the Ummah in each of their respective nations. Ibn spent much of the rest of his days composing his masterpiece to the greatest of his ability, and as a result A Gift to Those Who Contemplate the Wonders of Cities and the Marvels of Travelling has by this point been translated into nearly every language and is one of the most popular secular books on the planet and has earned him a place second only to Mohammed in the roster of Islamic figures. It's close companion, A Gift to Those Who Contemplate the Dearth of the Faith and it's Appeal to All Mankind, which is a collection of stories from Ibn's Companions preserved by their followers, was finally assembled in 1780, and is considered a holy book by most Muslim scholors

Affected Area : Africa, North India, Southern Asia, Golden Khanate

Implications :

1. Native Populations of Africa is overwhelmingly Sunni Muslim
2. North India and Southeast Asian native countries and natives also believe in Sunni, but notable minorities exist as Hinduism.
3. Golden Khanate (it was agreed) will change its national religion to Sunni Muslim

Guidance Name : Jacobins and Blanquists and Communards, Oh My!

Guidance Description : France is the world leader in letters and subversive thought more generally. The French Revolution of 1789 made the country famous for its radical republicanism, striking fear into the hearts of monarchs throughout the world. However, after Bonaparte's empire, France's reputation as a subversive hellhole only continued to grow. Successful revolutions rocked France in 1830 and twice in 1848, causing the French bourgeoisie to always be on edge. Unlike many other labor movements across the world, French unions tended to be led by anarchists, greatly increasing French militancy. Famous socialists including Saint Simon, Charles Fourier, and Karl Marx lived in France, deepening the country's intellectual tradition. Socialist movements divided into several major camps before 1917: diehard labor organizers such as Jules Guesdes in the Parti Ouvier in the industrial north, electoral republicans such as Jean Jaurès and his Socialist Party, and Blanquists who thought a coup d'état was the only possible vehicle of workers' emancipation. French radicalism would later come to fruition when the Paris Commune established the world's first socialist government, founding the ideology of communism.

Romanticism, naturalist novels, French Grand Opera, luxurious cuisine, and fine wines are popular throughout the world, unintentionally spreading many subversive ideas. Trade with France with will strengthen your economy, but it will also rejuvenate radical movements such as republicanism, trade unionism, socialism, and anarchism.

Affected Area : Global, but affecting nations very disproportionately. California and Japan might not even notice the workers' movement, while monarchies adjacent to France such as Brittany, Belgium, Cambria, and the Papal States should have significant Republican movements. Nearby republics like Hansa should have vivacious trade unions, and any nation that permits it can important French political philosophy.

Implications :

1. Nations with trade agreements or alliance with France (although not France themselves for the sake of fairness) will receive economic boost (Comparison Point +1) on Economy as a result of French influence.
2. However, nations with trade agreements or alliance with France (although not France themselves) will receive cultural/religious debuff (Comparison Point -1) on Culture/Religion
3. Nations with trade agreements or alliance with France will be more likely to have stronger radical movements towards republicanism, trade unionism, socialism, and anarchism. As a result, if any of those events fires, will be specified and notified of its magnitude.

Guidance Name : A Hamburg spark of Genius
Guidance Description : In 1756 a Hansa man by the name of Willhelm Kruft, designed aachine to increase his mill's production. The first steam powered engine was crude and tempermental. But a friend of Kruft, Joseph Richter saw vast potential. By 1785 he had several businesses running on a steam engine and had sold plans to his brother Rudolf Richter who drew up plans for another ground breaking machine, it took him 15 years and all his inheritance and some of his brothers but eventually became a reality. The Richter Steam powered transport. A train. In 1791 the Hansa government bought the design from the brothers and began developing extensive rail lines in and around Hamburg.

The new railroad system allowed for more ideas to spring to the forefront. Soon Hansa became the most advanced nation in europe. It attempted to keep all its technology to itself but by 1800 nearly every nation in europe had at least begun design of a steam engine.

However with a leg up on the competition Hansa remained technologically advanced by 1850 it was clear. Repeater support guns and repeater rifles protect all its cities. Rail lines allow the easy movement of materials and people, and factories pump out goods night and day at an unbelievable rate.
Affected Area : I would say global but correct me if i am wrong.

Implications

1. All nations with "Western" or "Oriental" technology group (again, these groups are set when a nation declares the status and neighboring nations approve of this status) get a technology boost of +10 years. As a result, technology maxim for these nations in 1850, for instance, would be 1860.
2. Hansa Federation does NOT gain extra technology leap, but has railway network extending throughout the empire by default history. No other nation can start this heights and cannot start an app with this infrastructure development.
3. Major cities in Hansa Federation is equal to fully industrialized cities in 1860's of IRL. No other nation can start with this heights and cannot start an app with this development.

Guidance Name : The Will of August

Guidance Description : In 1795, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was finished. Already partitioned twice, the kingdom was restricted to the very heartlands of the Polish and Lithuanian peoples, wedged between the hostile Prussian, Russian and Aestrian states. Knowing the sovereignty of his state was at an end, the final king of the commonwealth (Stanislaw II August Poniatowski) drafted a new will, making the King of Courland his sole inheritor.
The will was finalised and signed weeks before the final partition, with members of the Couronian and Polish royal families signing as witnesses. The will observed the Couronian King (Ernst III Johann von Biron) as the heir to all territories owned, currently and previously, by the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, in the hopes that the Couronian Kingdom might secure the fate of the polish and lithuanian peoples. Though the final partition was signed in January 1797, and Stanislaw ceremonially executed to both discredit his will and suppress a second loyalist rising, Ernst III Johann von Biron executed his former neighbour's will and adopted the title "Ochraniac z' Rzeczpospolita", a title which has been passed down to each and every Couronian King since.
The commonwealth ceased to exist in 1795, and it's formal partition was signed in 1979; but polish and Lithuanian emigres have taken root all over the civilised world (notwithstanding the persistent survival of the national identity at home), creating communes and exclaves/enclaves of polish culture and character. These descendants of the commonwealth also recognise the King of Courland as their leader, their king; all in accordance with the Will of August.

Affected Area : Europe

Implications :

1. Courland has an everlasting claim on all territories owned at any historical point by the Polish Commonwealth.
2. The occupying powers (Russia, Hansa, Austrasia) never succeeded in wiping out the polish/lithuanian cultures.
3. All sizeable (European) nations have some form of Polish emigre community.
4. Courland has very popular local support in Poland, as well as in cultural enclaves internationally.
5. Courland has diplomatic contact with any nation housing polish emigres, as well as direct contact to those emigres.

[Rygondria]

Hellllo

[Oscalantine]

Hellllo

Tha fudge?!

How in the world do you get the first dips... ALWAYS?!?! Is there a way to know exactly when I am making threads or something?!

[Rygondria]

Hellllo

Tha fudge?!

How in the world do you get the first dips... ALWAYS?!?! Is there a way to know exactly when I am making threads or something?!

I was just lurking when i saw it, all the times ive done it where just happy coincidences

[Oscalantine]

To-Do list of things:

• Faction System - make application for factions... and constantly update which NPC nations will be able to accept factions
• Update maps - As old wars and territories are resolved (5 years is plenty of time for folks to finish wars) redraw old map
• Simplify Guidance - make it a bullet point so that folks can actually USE them for applications
• Generate IC thread - update some rules... although... folks, could you all at least READ the rules before saying that we don't have'em? XDDD
• Profit! - We are getting this started as soon as enough folks arrive, so be on your guard!!!

[Oscalantine]

Tha fudge?!

How in the world do you get the first dips... ALWAYS?!?! Is there a way to know exactly when I am making threads or something?!

I was just lurking when i saw it, all the times ive done it where just happy coincidences

Amazing. Simply amazing.

Anyhow, hello~! Are you planning on leading the Netherlands again?

[Rygondria]

I was just lurking when i saw it, all the times ive done it where just happy coincidences

Amazing. Simply amazing.

Anyhow, hello~! Are you planning on leading the Netherlands again?

Depends where do we leave off, am i still going to be in that dogpile of a war i was in

[Benuty]

Hello everyone.

[Tracian Empire]

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[Benuty]

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I read that as gag.

[Tracian Empire]

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I read that as gag.

It can happen even to the best of us.

[Oscalantine]

Depends where do we leave off, am i still going to be in that dogpile of a war i was in

I have a feeling that you will simply settle things with myself and Helghan rather than have a continuation of the war. Certainly Hansa-Dutch and Korea-Dustch relations would be ridiculously bad, but no war for you to start in.

At the very LEAST... we will have a ceasefire and will be under negotiations. I don't want anyone to start in a war ^^;;;

[Elerian]

Wait, we aren't skipping ahead to 1860?

[Novacom]

Wait, we aren't skipping ahead to 1860?

I thought we were to and tag too

[Elerian]

Wait, we aren't skipping ahead to 1860?

I thought we were to and tag too

Nvm, the title is 1860 . . .

Jeez.

[Novacom]

I thought we were to and tag too

Nvm, the title is 1860 . . .

Jeez.

We really should be less picky after all Osc is doing this for us!

[Oscalantine]

I thought we were to and tag too

Nvm, the title is 1860 . . .

Jeez.

Elerian, you should know by now the ULTIMATE goal of my life is to have AD go all the way up to WWI or something where modern warfare actually makes sense again... and that there are decent pictures in Deviantart without me needing to convince others that my battleship is ACTUALLY running on steam, and all those steel frames are ACTUALLY wooden planks painted gray XDDD

Why is 1860 such a bad thing? It would be nice to keep pushing 5 years... wouldn't it?

[Novacom]

Nvm, the title is 1860 . . .

Jeez.

Elerian, you should know by now the ULTIMATE goal of my life is to have AD go all the way up to WWI or something where modern warfare actually makes sense again... and that there are decent pictures in Deviantart without me needing to convince others that my battleship is ACTUALLY running on steam, and all those steel frames are ACTUALLY wooden planks painted gray XDDD

Why is 1860 such a bad thing? It would be nice to keep pushing 5 years... wouldn't it?

He's not complaining he hadn't noticed the year was 1860, he thought it was 1855 as we both didn't read the thread title we started reading the OP and saw 1855

Oh and I like the sound of that too, I like the idea of AD WWII

[Elerian]

Elerian, you should know by now the ULTIMATE goal of my life is to have AD go all the way up to WWI or something where modern warfare actually makes sense again... and that there are decent pictures in Deviantart without me needing to convince others that my battleship is ACTUALLY running on steam, and all those steel frames are ACTUALLY wooden planks painted gray XDDD

Why is 1860 such a bad thing? It would be nice to keep pushing 5 years... wouldn't it?

He's not complaining he hadn't noticed the year was 1860, he thought it was 1855 as we both didn't read the thread title we started reading the OP and saw 1855

Oh and I like the sound of that too, I like the idea of AD WWII

I feel like a world war would be a dull affair what with all the Europeans being peas in a pod.

[Tracian Empire]

Elerian, you should know by now the ULTIMATE goal of my life is to have AD go all the way up to WWI or something where modern warfare actually makes sense again... and that there are decent pictures in Deviantart without me needing to convince others that my battleship is ACTUALLY running on steam, and all those steel frames are ACTUALLY wooden planks painted gray XDDD

Why is 1860 such a bad thing? It would be nice to keep pushing 5 years... wouldn't it?

He's not complaining he hadn't noticed the year was 1860, he thought it was 1855 as we both didn't read the thread title we started reading the OP and saw 1855

Oh and I like the sound of that too, I like the idea of AD WWII

It would be interesting, though, with the current alliance blocks, I really feel that the situation in Europe is unbalanced.

[Tracian Empire]

Stuff to do for me:

• Finish properly splitting the Imperium into provinces
• Finish the explanation of how the legion system works
• Decide where the Imperium would have built railways in the last five years
• Decide what would have happened between me and Persia

[Novacom]

He's not complaining he hadn't noticed the year was 1860, he thought it was 1855 as we both didn't read the thread title we started reading the OP and saw 1855

Oh and I like the sound of that too, I like the idea of AD WWII

It would be interesting, though, with the current alliance blocks, I really feel that the situation in Europe is unbalanced.

Bear in mind we'll have a new potential Austria Hungary, we'll defo have a new Scandinavia, I do think as an aside however that no more expansions of homelands should be had in Europe, let's think long term here, oh and we'll need yet ANOTHER new Russia...

[Second Helghan Empire]

Oh my god is this happening!!!