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Postby Kyrusia » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:06 pm

I will be quoting the original post of the previous thread for posterity and continuity. Remember to abide by the rules.

Frank Zipper wrote:On the 23rd of June this year a referendum will be held in the UK and Gibraltar on whether the UK should remain a member of the European Union. The proposed referendum question is:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

and for the Welsh:

A ddylai’r Deyrnas Unedig aros yn aelod o’r Undeb Ewropeaidd neu adael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd?

The choices of answer being

Remain a member of the European Union
Leave the European Union

and for the Welsh:

Aros yn aelod o’r Undeb Ewropeaidd
Gadael yr Undeb Ewropeaidd

The BBC's potted guide to Brexit is here

If, as a result of the referendum, the UK leaves the European Union, it would be the first sovereign member state to do so. The decision has implications for both the UK and for the European Union. Though there is much dispute about what the results of withdrawal would be.

Opinion polls suggest that the UK public is fairly evenly split on the issue at the moment. The Prime Minister David Cameron and some other leading Conservatives, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, the SNP, and Plaid Cymru favour remaining in the EU. UKIP and the DUP, several Conservative cabinet members and about half of the Tory MPs, and several Labour MPs support leaving.

The arguments for and against largely centre around issues of sovereignty and economics. The sovereignty questions include arguments on controlling UK borders and immigration, and the principle of free movement ; whether there are too many rules imposed on the UK by the EU; and the idea of closer union if we remain a member. The economic arguments include whether the UK gets value for money for its membership; whether it is good or bad for businesses, and the general economic prosperity in the UK.

What I think would be interesting, is to know more than just whether people here are in favour of leaving or not, but whether they are a UK citizen or from another EU member state or the wider world, and what is the most persuasive issue for them.

Time for my opinion... I am a UK Liberal Democrat voter, I don't have strong nationalist feelings, so for me the economic aspects are the most important. I am definitely in favour of the UK remaining a member of the European Union.

BBC: EU Referendum
CNN: Referendum Results
Reuters: Britain votes to leave EU, Cameron quits, markets rocked
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Postby Jordkloden » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:08 pm

The UK dun goofed.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:17 pm

Thanks, Ky.

Jordkloden wrote:The UK dun goofed.


I think they have yet to realize the harm they've caused to the international markets.

Unless the Brexiteers plan on stocking on commodities like gold and silver for the next 6 months, I don't see how they'll come out ahead.
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Jordkloden wrote:The UK dun goofed.


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Postby Dushan » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:19 pm

Here my optimistic prognosis: UK ends up getting a similar status as Norway and everybody is happy.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:19 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:The UK dun goofed.


http://i.imgur.com/XKUxoRN.jpg

i have been saving this for 6 hours


Just how much has Farage backtracked on, anyways, that he promised the UK?
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:19 pm

I never saw what it did to the US stocks. Were they way down as well?
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Postby East Catalina » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:21 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:The UK dun goofed.


http://i.imgur.com/XKUxoRN.jpg

i have been saving this for 6 hours

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Postby Wolfenium » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:21 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/XKUxoRN.jpg

i have been saving this for 6 hours


Just how much has Farage backtracked on, anyways, that he promised the UK?


He said the Leave campaign was wrong to claim that the money saved from paying the EU would go to the NHS. Other than that, don't know.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:22 pm

Also, I think Kyrusia deserves a huge bow of respect today. Not to get off topic, but they had to endure the torture of thread trawling. Thank you :bow:
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:22 pm

Dushan wrote:Here my optimistic prognosis: UK ends up getting a similar status as Norway and everybody is happy.


the EU doesn't want to set a precedent that anyone can just flip them the bird and get an okish deal with norway when the feel like it

they're going to fuck us
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:23 pm

Wolfenium wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Just how much has Farage backtracked on, anyways, that he promised the UK?


He said the Leave campaign was wrong to claim that the money saved from paying the EU would go to the NHS. Other than that, don't know.

Immediately flipping on that, something you advertised on your damn buses, is a preeettty bad sign, though.
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Postby The Vektan Confederacy » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:23 pm

I see the UK doing economics with the EU exactly how the Swiss do it. In the end everyone is happy

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Postby The Vektan Confederacy » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:25 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Jordkloden wrote:The UK dun goofed.


http://i.imgur.com/XKUxoRN.jpg

i have been saving this for 6 hours

I never laughed so hard

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:25 pm

Corrian wrote:I never saw what it did to the US stocks. Were they way down as well?


I was following the stocks all day.

They took a hit, mind, the numbers are just at time of closing (4pm EST):

S&P500 = -75.91 (3.59%)
DJIA = -610.32 (3.39%)
NASDAQ composite index = 4707.98 at time of closing which apparently was good for some stocks and bad for as many as 64 stocks.

It was a bad day for the Dow Jones and the Standard and Poor 500, but it's not like it hasn't happened before. And for US markets, stuff like this is bearable.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:29 pm

The referendum must have fucking wrecked the Spanish stock markets, they're already stealing a page from Argentina's playbook...
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The Two Jerseys wrote:The referendum must have fucking wrecked the Spanish stock markets, they're already stealing a page from Argentina's playbook...


what are they up to?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:31 pm

I guess I'm worried about what's likely to happen to the NHS given that I'm going to be dependent on it for things, as well as the prospect of all our anti-discrimination laws being thrown out now that they're not being propped up by the EU.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:31 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:The referendum must have fucking wrecked the Spanish stock markets, they're already stealing a page from Argentina's playbook...


The Spanish stock markets took a plunge on the first hours of the morning for them.

It was not pretty.
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Souseiseki wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:The referendum must have fucking wrecked the Spanish stock markets, they're already stealing a page from Argentina's playbook...


what are they up to?


Making moves towards seizing Gib.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:32 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:The referendum must have fucking wrecked the Spanish stock markets, they're already stealing a page from Argentina's playbook...


what are they up to?

Playing the Falklands are Argentina Gibraltar is Spain card.
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Vassenor wrote:I guess I'm worried about what's likely to happen to the NHS given that I'm going to be dependent on it for things, as well as the prospect of all our anti-discrimination laws being thrown out now that they're not being propped up by the EU.


My prediction is going to be that the 350 million pounds that Farange promised to invest into the NHS is just not going to happen.

But, it will be kept afloat by the banking industry, I hope.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:33 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:
what are they up to?

Playing the Falklands are Argentina Gibraltar is Spain card.


Well now that the UK is out of the EU, Spain can be as opportunistic as it wants, really.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:34 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Vassenor wrote:I guess I'm worried about what's likely to happen to the NHS given that I'm going to be dependent on it for things, as well as the prospect of all our anti-discrimination laws being thrown out now that they're not being propped up by the EU.


My prediction is going to be that the 350 million pounds that Farange promised to invest into the NHS is just not going to happen.

But, it will be kept afloat by the banking industry, I hope.


Aside from the fact that Boris has made no secret of wanting it privatised and he's pretty much guaranteed to end up in the big chair.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri Jun 24, 2016 10:34 pm

Dushan wrote:Here my optimistic prognosis: UK ends up getting a similar status as Norway and everybody is happy.

Not gonna happen.

This is going to be ugly, drawn out, and damaging.

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