Freedom of speech disappearing?

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

So im an american and this is about US politics or any country that is going the same way as the US when it comes to speech. SO I have been watching many political debates and I have seen the left(Mostly) disrupt right wing speakers and yelling and cursing at them for voicing thier opinion, and many times those right wingers want to host a civilized conversation and some were being assaulted (Mainly at trump rallies, by democrat supporters).

What happened to the country were all opinions were valued even if you didnt agree with them, and for the liberals and left wingers, hell for everyone one either side of the political spectrum who respect other peoples opinions are the people we need. But now we have people who want to ban things they dont agree with more disrupt things they dont agree with. Many of those people need to get out of their safe place, people will always have conflicting views, its apart of life but when you are physically hurt by the words 'trump 2016' on a written on a college campus there is something wrong there, and some have wanted it taken down. Then you have UMASS which will be in video one were the liberal disrupt a rightwing rally at a college

Video
Video
So the rahter 'heavy women started cursing and yelling at the speaker and when asked to stop she yelled and said free speech, but when the speaker spoke she yelled for her to shut up and go away, and not to speak, ignoring free speech which she stated earlier.

other video
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-JbIOUmTo[/url]
So the woman tried to censor the protesters who were protected by the 1st amendment, with the Police officer. SO this is another way people are being censored.

Some other ways people are being censored are they are usually are being called: ismalapobe, homophobic, racist, bigot and you name it, they are pushed from society just because they have opposing views so enjoy NS!

Here are some other videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Ra6RsJFgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vubQmvyh7Io
-This one is important-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYBcnwr5EEM

[Minzerland]

Your second URL is broken.

[Arana]

You have the freedom to say what you wish. I have the freedom to yell and scream and interrupt you. Doing so does not violate your freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech simply means that the government cannot prevent you from speaking your mind. It has nothing to do with whether or not I, as a private citizen, can, so long as I do so through legal means.

EDIT: Also, the irony of somebody leaning towards fascism and yet complaining about limitations on freedom of speech.

[Grande Republic of Arcadia]

You have the freedom to say what you wish. I have the freedom to yell and scream and interrupt you. Doing so does not violate your freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech simply means that the government cannot prevent you from speaking your mind. It has nothing to do with whether or not I, as a private citizen, can, so long as I do so through legal means.

EDIT: Also, the irony of somebody leaning towards fascism and yet complaining about limitations on freedom of speech.

i follow a different interpretation of Fascism that allows freedom of speech

[Arana]

You have the freedom to say what you wish. I have the freedom to yell and scream and interrupt you. Doing so does not violate your freedom of speech. Your freedom of speech simply means that the government cannot prevent you from speaking your mind. It has nothing to do with whether or not I, as a private citizen, can, so long as I do so through legal means.

EDIT: Also, the irony of somebody leaning towards fascism and yet complaining about limitations on freedom of speech.

i follow a different interpretation of Fascism that allows freedom of speech

If such a thing exists, I've yet to see it.

Regardless, that's not the topic of conversation.

[Vassenor]

And by your own arguments, isn't telling someone they're not allowed to be offended by what you say a suppression of their right to free speech?

[Liriena]

You know, I often wonder how people who have lived through actual censorship under actual tyrannical regimes (specially the right-wing dictatorships supported by Republican presidents) would think of American conservatives whining about "freedom of speech disappearing" because they saw a video on the internet of a handful of people hurting other conservatives' feelings or giving them a boo-boo.

Furthermore, I find the OP's nostalgia for a nebulous past of freedom of speech, devoid of any occasional outbursts of verbal or physical violence, rather adorable. Because that past, as far as I can tell, has never actually existed in the United States.

Also, OP, name-calling is not censorship. Harsh criticism is not censorship. I would suggest you follow your own advise in this regard:

Many of those people need to get out of their safe place, people will always have conflicting views, its apart of life

Now, is freedom of speech imperiled in the United States? Somewhat, but not at the hands of the occasional anti-Trump protestor, or anything of the sort. Rather, I see that danger in the concentration of the American media in the hands of a small number of massive conglomerates, the government's harsh treatment of whistleblowers, and a presidential candidate who wants to reform libel laws so that he can sue any journalist who criticises him.

[Minzerland]

Freedom of speech is only protected from the Government or, a person, group, institution etc. who try to prevent you from speaking through illegal means; pulling a fire-alarm for an example. But trust me, if you don't, at a University debate for example, allow someone with differing opinion express themselves, prepare for the consequences; as in you'll get roasted for being intolerant, nor will you recieve brownie points by your peers, most likely being ostracised for being an asshole.

I do believe a speech code at Universities is a violation of free speech, as it is a market place of idea's but that's besides the point.

It isn't a violation of free speech, just as throwing a heckler out of an event a violation of free speech.

EDIT: It goes to show, to be honest, who would, if they had control over the government, censor differing ideologies and I DEFINITELY don't condone such an action, in fact I condemn it.

Free of speech is disappearing, perpetuated by both right-wingers and left-wingers (mostly left-wingers, unfortunately).

[Annorax]

It will only get worse. What the right in the U.S. need to start doing is fighting fire with fire and do the same tactics back to liberals to see how much they like it. But yes freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate.

[Arana]

It will only get worse. What the right in the U.S. need to start doing is fighting fire with fire and do the same tactics back to liberals to see how much they like it. But yes freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate.

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

[Liriena]

It will only get worse. What the right in the U.S. need to start doing is fighting fire with fire and do the same tactics back to liberals to see how much they like it. But yes freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate.

You believe all liberals have to be subjected to right-wing political violence, regardless of whether they have engaged in political violence themselves?

Also, you do realize that not all leftists are liberals, and not all liberals are leftists?

Also, "freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate" said the NS user as he openly called for suppressing the freedom of speech of liberals, with a history of being able to express his right-wing opinion online with few consequences, with access to a plethora of right-wing forums and news sites throughout the internet, with several right-wing institutions throughout the United States that he could attend, with right-wing TV networks and radio shows still having a commanding presence in American media, with a major party presidential candidate openly disparaging American leftists and even excusing violence against them with few repercussions... Need I go on?

[Annorax]

It will only get worse. What the right in the U.S. need to start doing is fighting fire with fire and do the same tactics back to liberals to see how much they like it. But yes freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate.

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

It isn't about feelings being hurt it's about being heard. I guess freedom now is being able to cocoon yourself in in a safe space and avoid real life.

[Liriena]

It will only get worse. What the right in the U.S. need to start doing is fighting fire with fire and do the same tactics back to liberals to see how much they like it. But yes freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate.

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

Hey, nothing says "I hate politically correct cucks and their safe spaces" like complaining because somebody called you a racist and calling it censorship.

[Vassenor]

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

It isn't about feelings being hurt it's about being heard. I guess freedom now is being able to cocoon yourself in in a safe space and avoid real life.

Says the person who wants to create a safe space free from left wing politics and other people that disagree with them.

[Arana]

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

It isn't about feelings being hurt it's about being heard. I guess freedom now is being able to cocoon yourself in in a safe space and avoid real life.

Well, you have the freedom to do that. You can use your freedom of speech to say whatever you want, and I can use my freedom of speech to say that whatever stupid thing it was was offensive. There's a tendency on both sides of the spectrum to be whiny little pricks, but being a whiny little prick isn't taking away anybody's freedom of anything.

[Annorax]

It will only get worse. What the right in the U.S. need to start doing is fighting fire with fire and do the same tactics back to liberals to see how much they like it. But yes freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate.

You believe all liberals have to be subjected to right-wing political violence, regardless of whether they have engaged in political violence themselves?

Also, you do realize that not all leftists are liberals, and not all liberals are leftists?

Also, "freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate" said the NS user as he openly called for suppressing the freedom of speech of liberals, with a history of being able to express his right-wing opinion online with few consequences, with access to a plethora of right-wing forums and news sites throughout the internet, with several right-wing institutions throughout the United States that he could attend, with right-wing TV networks and radio shows still having a commanding presence in American media, with a major party presidential candidate openly disparaging American leftists and even excusing violence against them with few repercussions... Need I go on?

Puh-leeeez American mainstream media is very liberal, it's a constant progressive love fest.

Leftist, liberal, progressive, whatever its all from the same cloth. I'll leave it to the left to figure out what sectarian branch an individual belongs to.

Anyone disparaging leftists is only fighting fire with fire, like I said, let's see how much they like it.

[Liriena]

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

It isn't about feelings being hurt it's about being heard.

Like you are being heard right now?

I guess freedom now is being able to cocoon yourself in in a safe space and avoid real life.

Says someone who succumbs to apocalyptic thoughts the moment they get a glimpse of harsh reactions to right-wing discourse.

Geesh, you see a handful of videos of leftists being rowdy and you immediately cry that it's the end of freedom of speech in the United States.

Meanwhile, in the People's Republic of China, mentioning the Tiananmen Square massacre is legally prohibited.

[Arana]

You believe all liberals have to be subjected to right-wing political violence, regardless of whether they have engaged in political violence themselves?

Also, you do realize that not all leftists are liberals, and not all liberals are leftists?

Also, "freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate" said the NS user as he openly called for suppressing the freedom of speech of liberals, with a history of being able to express his right-wing opinion online with few consequences, with access to a plethora of right-wing forums and news sites throughout the internet, with several right-wing institutions throughout the United States that he could attend, with right-wing TV networks and radio shows still having a commanding presence in American media, with a major party presidential candidate openly disparaging American leftists and even excusing violence against them with few repercussions... Need I go on?

Puh-leeeez American mainstream media is very liberal, it's a constant progressive love fest.

Leftist, liberal, progressive, whatever its all from the same cloth. I'll leave it to the left to figure out what sectarian branch an individual belongs to.

Anyone disparaging leftists is only fighting fire with fire, like I said, let's see how much they like it.

So? The media has freedom of speech as well. Ignoring the fact that Fox News is the largest news network in the US, even if the media was a cesspool of liberalism, it has every right to be.

Somebody having a different opinion then you is not violating your freedom of speech.

Also, by the same logic, fascists, conservatives, libertarians... all basically the same thing. See how stupid that sounds?

[Tobiasia]

So im an american and this is about US politics or any country that is going the same way as the US when it comes to speech. SO I have been watching many political debates and I have seen the left(Mostly) disrupt right wing speakers and yelling and cursing at them for voicing thier opinion, and many times those right wingers want to host a civilized conversation and some were being assaulted (Mainly at trump rallies, by democrat supporters).

What happened to the country were all opinions were valued even if you didnt agree with them, and for the liberals and left wingers, hell for everyone one either side of the political spectrum who respect other peoples opinions are the people we need. But now we have people who want to ban things they dont agree with more disrupt things they dont agree with. Many of those people need to get out of their safe place, people will always have conflicting views, its apart of life but when you are physically hurt by the words 'trump 2016' on a written on a college campus there is something wrong there, and some have wanted it taken down. Then you have UMASS which will be in video one were the liberal disrupt a rightwing rally at a college

Video
Video
So the rahter 'heavy women started cursing and yelling at the speaker and when asked to stop she yelled and said free speech, but when the speaker spoke she yelled for her to shut up and go away, and not to speak, ignoring free speech which she stated earlier.

other video
[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-JbIOUmTo[/url]
So the woman tried to censor the protesters who were protected by the 1st amendment, with the Police officer. SO this is another way people are being censored.

Some other ways people are being censored are they are usually are being called: ismalapobe, homophobic, racist, bigot and you name it, they are pushed from society just because they have opposing views so enjoy NS!

Here are some other videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Ra6RsJFgM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vubQmvyh7Io
-This one is important-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYBcnwr5EEM

Please do not mention Democrats assaulting Trump supporters. Donald Trump threatened Demorcrats and told his supporters to assault anyone who disagreed with him.

[Annorax]

Freedom from being called names that hurt your feelings is not freedom of speech.

Funny how the right always portrays the left as overly sensitive, and yet when somebody disagrees with them they go on a rant about their freedom being taken away.

Hey, nothing says "I hate politically correct cucks and their safe spaces" like complaining because somebody called you a racist and calling it censorship.

Well seeing how everything is racist or bigoted nowadays it is now in the realm of ridiculousness. I've met real racists in my life, the people that get called that on a routine basis for stupid stuff are not. The racists I've met don't see a person when they see the individual they hate, they also probably had some encounter with someone of the race they hate a long time ago and they define everyone of that race in that way. Calling someone a racist because of some slight felt about nonexistent microaggression or some such baloney only weakens being able to call out real racists.

[United Isles of the Commonwealth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rutZ0WbiT3M

Take from that what you will

[Arana]

Hey, nothing says "I hate politically correct cucks and their safe spaces" like complaining because somebody called you a racist and calling it censorship.

Well seeing how everything is racist or bigoted nowadays it is now in the realm of ridiculousness. I've met real racists in my life, the people that get called that on a routine basis for stupid stuff are not. The racists I've met don't see a person when they see the individual they hate, they also probably had some encounter with someone of the race they hate a long time ago and they define everyone of that race in that way. Calling someone a racist because of some slight felt about nonexistent microaggression or some such baloney only weakens being able to call out real racists.

In the same way that complaining about liberals violating your freedom of speech by calling you a racist invalidates any legitimate violations. It works both ways.

[Liriena]

You believe all liberals have to be subjected to right-wing political violence, regardless of whether they have engaged in political violence themselves?

Also, you do realize that not all leftists are liberals, and not all liberals are leftists?

Also, "freedom of speech is disappearing at an alarming rate" said the NS user as he openly called for suppressing the freedom of speech of liberals, with a history of being able to express his right-wing opinion online with few consequences, with access to a plethora of right-wing forums and news sites throughout the internet, with several right-wing institutions throughout the United States that he could attend, with right-wing TV networks and radio shows still having a commanding presence in American media, with a major party presidential candidate openly disparaging American leftists and even excusing violence against them with few repercussions... Need I go on?

Puh-leeeez American mainstream media is very liberal, it's a constant progressive love fest.

Are they now? Tell me, when was the last time the American mainstream media, which includes outlets like Fox News, openly called for an end to free market capitalism? When was the last time the American mainstream media openly criticised American foreign policy during the Cold War, including the support for military coups and dictatorships in South America? When was the last time the American mainstream media paid any attention to the actual left-wing parties and their campaigns, and not just the still very much neoliberal Democrats?

The American mainstream media is not "progressive". It's corporate. It's capitalist to the core. Its primary purpose, above all else, is ratings. A handful of pundits might be progressive, but there is not much space for genuine militancy.

Leftist, liberal, progressive, whatever its all from the same cloth. I'll leave it to the left to figure out what sectarian branch an individual belongs to.

"Conservative, fascist, absolute monarchist, whatever its all from the same cloth. I'll leave it to the right to figure out what sectarian branch an individual belongs to."

Now, that would be very unfair of me to say, wouldn't it?

Anyone disparaging leftists is only fighting fire with fire, like I said, let's see how much they like it.

That doesn't answer my question.

Do you believe that me, a leftist, should be physically assaulted because of my beliefs, even if I have never physically assaulted someone on the right, or encouraged others to do so?

[United Isles of the Commonwealth]

Well seeing how everything is racist or bigoted nowadays it is now in the realm of ridiculousness. I've met real racists in my life, the people that get called that on a routine basis for stupid stuff are not. The racists I've met don't see a person when they see the individual they hate, they also probably had some encounter with someone of the race they hate a long time ago and they define everyone of that race in that way. Calling someone a racist because of some slight felt about nonexistent microaggression or some such baloney only weakens being able to call out real racists.

In the same way that complaining about liberals violating your freedom of speech by calling you a racist invalidates any legitimate violations. It works both ways.

When I win arguments with my fellow liberal classmates and they call me 'racist' and/or 'sexist' I am overjoyed as they've run out of legitimate arguments to counter my points. However you all seem intellectual so I doubt that will be happening here

[Liriena]

Well seeing how everything is racist or bigoted nowadays it is now in the realm of ridiculousness. I've met real racists in my life, the people that get called that on a routine basis for stupid stuff are not. The racists I've met don't see a person when they see the individual they hate, they also probably had some encounter with someone of the race they hate a long time ago and they define everyone of that race in that way. Calling someone a racist because of some slight felt about nonexistent microaggression or some such baloney only weakens being able to call out real racists.

In the same way that complaining about liberals violating your freedom of speech by calling you a racist invalidates any legitimate violations. It works both ways.

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