Libertarian Discussion Thread

[Mushet]

Lots of people are aware of Libertarians and socialists butting heads wherever they can be found together on the web.

But this is nothing new, actually. The famous debate between the classical liberal Bastiat and the social anarchist Proudhon happened over 150 years ago: http://praxeology.net/FB-PJP-DOI-Appx.htm

This is the OG debate between the two groups.

Bastiat didn't even claim to be a libertarian. I'm not sure that Proudhon ever referred to himself as such but he at least had close ties to the first that did in regards to a set of political positions. It's odd that between a liberal and an anarchist you treat the liberal as the libertarian.

[The Liberated Territories]

Lots of people are aware of Libertarians and socialists butting heads wherever they can be found together on the web.

But this is nothing new, actually. The famous debate between the classical liberal Bastiat and the social anarchist Proudhon happened over 150 years ago: http://praxeology.net/FB-PJP-DOI-Appx.htm

This is the OG debate between the two groups.

Bastiat didn't even claim to be a libertarian. I'm not sure that Proudhon ever referred to himself as such but he at least had close ties to the first that did in regards to a set of political positions. It's odd that between a liberal and an anarchist you treat the liberal as the libertarian.

Bastiat was a liberal, in the French sense. But I doubt he'd either fit well with modern French neoliberals like Macron or social liberals like Rawls.

Both Proudhon and Bastiat are small l-libertarians though, I think Bastiat is far closer to the modern Anglo definition, which is why I used him as the example of a historic Libertarian. But the definitions don't match correctly, in the same way we can't really consider the Democrats and Republicans of the late 1800s the same party as they are today.

[Great Minarchistan]

second thread's launched, pls ilock this one

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Now for the real shitpost:

Are the Ferengi from Star Trek libertarian? I mean, their society is completely privatized.

Yes.

No, the Ferengi alliance is a patriarchal autocracy where businesses are regulated to be as stingy as possible, unions are banned. Other than love of money and lack of traditional moralism, there's no similarity.

[Torrocca]

Yes.

No, the Ferengi alliance is a patriarchal autocracy where businesses are regulated to be as stingy as possible, unions are banned. Other than love of money and lack of traditional moralism, there's no similarity.

>implying that isn't basically the ideal libertarian society

feudalism with more steps and crushing workers' rights is libertarian as fuck :^)

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

No, the Ferengi alliance is a patriarchal autocracy where businesses are regulated to be as stingy as possible, unions are banned. Other than love of money and lack of traditional moralism, there's no similarity.

>implying that isn't basically the ideal libertarian society

feudalism with more steps and crushing workers' rights is libertarian as fuck :^)

The ferengi look like a parody of a strawman of a libertarian society, not a libertarian society.

[USS Monitor]

Use the new thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=444774

[Farnhamia]

Use the new thread: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=444774

Telling libertarians what to do? Tsk.