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The Bonaparte Absence (AH RP/Reboot/OOC)

Postby New Granadeseret » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:47 pm

Firstly, I'd like to apologize for the sudden disappearance from the original iteration of this thread. I had a bit of a... personal breakdown. If you were a participant in that thread, I humbly request your forgiveness.

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A spirit of innovation is generally the result of a selfish temper and confined views. People will not look forward to posterity, who never look backward to their ancestors.

-Edmund Burke, in his famous book Reflections on the Failure of the Revolution in France


Map: http://imgur.com/FrRSF1a
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The sun rises over the glittering palace of Versailles in 1836. A proud testament to the power and resilience of the Ancien Régime, it serves Louis XVII as it did his brother: as an opulent refuge from the trials and tribulations of governing his nation. As London is a center of industry and commerce, Versailles is a testament to the refined, time-tested, and admired culture of French nobility: the pillars guarding its entrance honoring the Royalist heros of 4 decades past who's heroic actions spelled the end of La Grande Anarchie and the godless Terror of the so-called "National Convention" who'd almost brought ruin to the entirety of France. One only need look at the contrast between the Royal Palace and the slums of Paris; much of which still bares the marks of the destruction and death wrought by the attempted Revolutionaries, to breath a sigh of relief they had not succeeded that day.

In retrospect, it was hard to see how the Republicans could have succeeded in pushing back the October Counter-Revolution (Also known as The Redemption of Paris), when 30,000 Royalist patriots under the command of national hero Richer de Sévigny marched into Paris to answer the call of its rebelling locals, outnumbering the exhausted and demoralized Republicans 6 to 1. Only a military genius, unmatched by any other in the era, would have been able to succeed against such odds, but out of the generals loyal to the Revolution only Jacques-François Menou, a former nobleman himself, was available to command the defenders*. A timid and mediocre commander, Jacques would prove unable to sustain his men's moral in the breech: his men being overwhelmed by the Royalist charge and breaking under pressure, allowing the loyalists to storm the National Convention and slaughter the rebellious leadership in one fell swoop. Without direction , the scattered Traitorious armies could be hunted down piecemeal by foreign armies and one another; skirmishing over political rivalries, the Royalists holding Paris gleefully welcoming back the rightful Sovereign, Louis XVII, upon his (heavily escorted) return from exile. Radicalism had died, and the Old World's firm ideals of Order and Tradition once again vindicated. With the Revolution strangled in its cradle, the specters of a greater European war, driven by the total mobilization of the Levee en Mass were for a time settled, and the Kings, Princes, and Emperors sat easy on their thrones. And, of course, happy to see their French rivals taken down a peg or two by the chaos.

That does not mean, however, Europe has been entirely idle, for even if not entirely successful the embers that lit the Anarchy in France can not be entirely extinguished, and the great nations of Europe play the same games of influence on the world stage as they always have. The growing forces of Industrialization and the wealth it creates are putting increasing pressure on traditional society, threatening to start displacing the power of the landed aristocracy and the homes of the rural peasantry both in England and elsewhere. The Holy Roman Empire, an ancient institution creaking under its own weight, is increasingly becoming a zone of tensions between the different German states, as the powerful try to bend the institution to their will, the weak try to survive with their autonomy intact, and the different powers play their favored factions off one another, just as they do among the minor states of Italy. In Latin America, the independence of Haiti and increasing weakness of Spain seems to sound the death knell for one wave of colonization and raises the question of the morality of slavery... just as the increasing weakness and Opium-addition of China and frailty of the other Asiatic states seems to suggest the opening a new one. Yet, for the time being, the world has remained a mostly safe place for crowns and conservatives... the nobility and land-holding elites retaining power in almost every area that counts: even the American Republic having its own influential, psudo-aristocracy in the "Cotton Lords" of its slave-holding states, who continue to butt heads with the new, industrial forces of her northern states.


*Another General would have been available a few weeks earlier, one Napoleon Bonaparte, but due to his association with the former Robespierre regime, doubts about his loyalties following his refusal to command infantry the Vendee forces in the west and his unpopularity among the current powers that be in the parade of factitious and disorganized Revolutionary government, had conveniently allowed himself to be safely removed from the country by petitioning to be transferred to Constantinople, where he could receive the Artillery commission he desired.

Rules
Rule I: Though shalt not Mod any Gods before me: Self-explanatory. Everything you do has to happen for a explainable reason, and can't be too wacky or out-of-character. An example of breaking the first principle would be having an army of 20,000 teleport to the Americas. And example of the later would be the British throwing the Portuguese; their oldest and most loyal ally, under the bus.

Rule II: Though shalt not be an idle: If you're not going to be reasonably active, please don't sign up. To avoid important nations being held up, reservations will be good for 48 hours: be sure to finish them before that.

Rule III: The shalt not use they language in vain: Please keep content and discussion civil, or at least period appropriate (speaking in positive terms about slavery or acting in shock to an atheist state would thus be acceptable, within limits)

Rule IV: Though shalt remember the Canon and kept it holy IE. The Canon is the law. If an event has already been established to have happened (by a nation reflecting on their own history, for instance) please keep this in mid and do not contradict it, and keep it in mind if need be (A war between the US and Britain in the resent past would make them reluctant to buddy-up, for instance)

Rule V: Honor thigh Limitations You can't do everything at once. Most countries have political, logistic, communication, ect. issues that prevent you from overextending yourself. Technology is also that of 1836 (military tactics are even worse, considering no Napoleonic Wars), so remember to keep that in mind. For example, you want to conquer part of Asia? Fine. But your men only have smoothbore muskets or early rifles and your ships are all powered by sails, and don't think you can keep control of all of China with just 3,000 men.

Rule VI: Do Kill BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE. Seriously; have some conflicts at some point; just keep in mind Rule VI

Rule VII: Do Commit Adult-ness: Avoid text-speak and generally childish ways of writing; we're all adults here

Rule VIII: Don't Steal too much stuff: Gather some secret intelligence is alright, but you don't know exactly what's happening in the palace of a nation on the other side of Europe; if they're moving troops, making major visible changes, ect. you can act like you know, but if it's written in a way that seems secret, keep it secret.

Rule IV: Nothing clever to say here Covet they neighbors stuff all you want

Rule X: Don't boil a kid in it's mother's milk: If you do, you're kicked out of the RP. A general rule against being too graphic; not too much blood or gore or inserting of tab A into slot B

Extra Rules: POD is October 5th, 1795. All events prior to that year are no-negotiable. Changes afterwards will be acceptable, within the realm of possibility (for example, no Swiss Empire). Indeed, alternative histories are encouraged. Also, please keep in mind changes that would made by the lack of the Napoleonic Wars (For example, Prussia wouldn't control all of the Rhineland without some good reason, and the War of 1812 wouldn't have happened)

However, no stable, modernized, centralized China. This is for the sake of balance, since China basically out populates all of Europe combined.

Remember to follow the principals of diplomacy as best you can. Having solid reasons for your wars, respecting the rights of civilized nations, ect. This is still the age of dynastic politics (albeit its twilight); not the not-yet-born Bismarkian Realpolik.

Nations running countries will be allowed to play a rebel group from the start, assuming it is aligned with/funded by your country. Otherwise, rebel groups will only be accepted once the nation count reaches a critical mass. The exception to this rule is groups seeking independence from colonial rule in the Americas, who can be applied for immediately.




Nation List
The Ottoman Empire: OP/New Granadeseret
Brandenburg-Prussia: Greater Dutch Republic
Denmark-Norway: Stadenwick
Swedish Empire: Ficiscia
Austria/Holy Roman Empire: Valloria
Electorate of Hanover: Xathuecia
Kingdom of Bavaria (And Taiping Rebellion): Kelvinsi
Kingdom of France: Commonwealth States
Two Sicilys: Yurizlansia
Great Britain: Segmentia
Kingdom of Portugal & The Algarves: Gadrana-Eshil
Dutch Republic: Prince-Bishopric of Liege
Tsardom of Russia: Russian people of America
Republic of Ragusa: Sanabel
United States of America (and Republic of Texas): Franco-Iberia
Haitian Empire: Arvenia
The Middle Kingdom/Empire of the Qing: Reatra
Qajar Persia: Plessur




NS Name:
Nation Name: (You are encouraged to include both its formal name and its informal name)
Head of State:
Head of Government:
Head of Diplomacy:
Territory (Vicky II Map type Preferred)

Flag:
Demonym:
Capital:
Currency:
State/Primary Religion:

Government Form:
Ideology: (Political, not economic)
Foreign Policy: (How does your nation see the world? What is its stance or position on issues outside its country? What important relations do they have?)
Domestic Policy: (What sorts of internal issues does your nation face? How are they dealing with them?)
Civil Freedoms /10:
Political Freedoms /10:
Economic Freedoms /10:

Military Size:
-Army:
-Navy:
-Elite Forces:

Military Description: (ie, quality of equipment, doctrine, etc.)
Strengths and Weaknesses: (What is your military good at, and what is it bad at?)

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy:
Short Description of Your Nation's Government:
Short History of the last 40 years:
Population of entire empire:



Rebel Group Application

Organization Name:
Areas of Operation: (Must be actual nation(s)/region(s):

Governmental Information
Group Ideology:
Leader: (If multiple leaders then please list all)

Group Information
Membership Size: (How many members do you have?)
Resources: (Does your group have access to any equipment? Facilities? If so, what kind?)
Militia: (If multiple militia forces, please separate into different groups)

Other information:


Example/OP application

NS Name: New Granadeseret
Nation Name: (Formal)The Most Glorious and Holy Dominions of the House of Osman, informally known as The Ottoman Empire, or Turkey
Head of State: Sultan Mahmud II
Head of Government: Grand Vizier Topal Izzet Mehmed Pasha
Head of Diplomacy: Chief of the Scribes, Koca Mustafa Reşid Paşa
Territory (Vicky II Map type Preferred) http://i.imgur.com/W1ZiGwX.png

Flag: BEHOLD
Demonym: Ottoman
Capital: Qustantiniyye, Known in the west as Constantinople.
Currency: The Ottoman Kuruş
State/Primary Religion: Sunni Islam

Government Form: Semi-Prussian Constitutionalism (Limits on monarchal power are mostly self-imposed by Mahmud and his brother/predecessor Selim III. Weather these will solidify into actual legal code is still in limbo)
Ideology: Islamic Cosmopolitanism, Ottomanism, "Enlightened Despotism"
Foreign Policy: Ottoman foreign policy is dominated by its rivalry with Russia; in the Caucuses, Black Sea, and Danubian Principalities. The humiliation at the hands of Tsarina Catharine in the Russo-Turkish war has not been forgotten, the lose of the Crimean Khanate particularly stinging, and the Sultanate's largest concern is holding off or turning back Russia's southward advance. They also have traditional worries of their long-time rival Austria; both due to centuries of warfare and the Hapsburg's historic rivalry with their French allies. In terms of minor powers, the continued activity of the Knights of St. Johns out of Malta; the last remnant of Crusader freebooters in the Mediterranean , is a growing annoyance following their own attempts to curtail the raiding activity of their own subjects on the Barbary Coast.

For allies, the Ottomans align closely to the France: the 3 century old Franco-Ottoman Alliance being one of the oldest in Europe (Though hardly holding a candle to the Anglo-Portuguese alliance), and the two having fairly prosperous trading relations. They also share somewhat good relations with the British: largely based on commerce, but also in the mutual goal of limiting Russian expansionism, and continue traditionally friendly terms with the Scandinavian countries. Lacks much in the way of formal relationships with the nations of the Americas, and not particularly interested in the current events of Northern Germany.

Domestic Policy: Austrian and Russian agitation in the Balkans is a constant source of concern, as well as the threat of reactionary forces pushing back against attempted modernization: some of the more conservative forces seeing the adoption of Western ways as "Unislamic" and pressing for a return to the old ways, as well as nomadic peoples in the Empire's southern reaches who resist attempts to settle and "civilize" them. For the time being, the Empire is trying to reform its governing system to modernize the Millets and placate activities in the Balkans, while trying to conduct a series of land re-distribution efforts in an attempt to at least get the Bedouin and Kurdish tribal groups in defined "Borders" where they might be more effectively and fairly taxed.

Civil Freedoms 7/10:
Political Freedoms 3/10:
Economic Freedoms 4/10:

Military Size:
-Army: 240,000
-Navy: 50,000
-Elite Forces: 10,000

Military Description: The New Model Army, solidified as the main Ottoman military force following the decisive defeat of the rebelling Janissaries during infamous Day of the Dammed in 1808, is modeled on the European design: stressing co-ordination, drill, and planned movements of infantry lines as the staples of combat. However, due to the importance of massed land-based Artillery during her campaigns against the Mamluk Rebels and restoring order to the outlying Barbary provinces and the strong impacts of the efforts of Napoleon Pasha, Ottoman armies place a heavy emphasis on the power of cannons: acting in concentrated groups to put pressure on a single point in the enemy's line in hopes of achieving an "breakthrough" in a manner similar to what a cavalry charge might do in decades past. Largely equip with flintlock rifles.

Strengths and Weaknesses:
+ Well-equipped and one of the highest quality Artillery corps (Topçu Ocağı) in Europe.
+ Nizam-ı Cedid infantry are drilled and trained in the Western European style, allowing the Ottoman forces to stand toe to toe with their rivals and decimate more primitive foes
+Recent naval construction/fleet replacement means the Ottoman navy is fairly up-to-date
- Cavalry forces, in the modern design by supplemented and heavily influenced by Sipâhi veterans, are obsessed with the charge and lack tactical flexibility
-Use of lots of high-power artillery means Ottoman armies travel heavy, making them slow on the march.




Short Description of Your Nation's Economy: Largely agrarian, with Egyptian and Mesopotamian cotton slowly losing ground to slave-based production in the southern U.S.A, the Empire's population is mostly small farmers and herdsmen. Despite Northern Europe's head-start and a general disadvantage in pre-existing capital, however, the Empire has seen the start of industrialization; largely in Western Anatolia, Thrace, and Lebanon; having a particular advantage in Silk cloth and brass metal works. Orchard crops such as Olives and citrus, as well as bulk grain, are also important exports. She's still hardly one of the manufacturing powers of the world, near the level of of the rest of the Mediterranean and Eastern Europe, and attempts to encourage manufactured are slowed by the nobility's heavy investment in agricultural land.

Short Description of Your Nation's Government: In theory, the Sultan is an absolute ruler. In practice, he has several, self-imposed limits, and needs to keep the favor of the bureaucracy and provincial leaders in order for his writ to be exercised. The country is largely run by the bureaucrats, appointed by the Ministers and Viziers who are appointed by the Sultan. In essence, one might call it an Administrative Monarchy

Short History of the last 40 years: TBA
Population of entire empire: 38,000,000
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Postby The Greater Dutch Republic » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:07 pm

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
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Postby The Greater Dutch Republic » Mon Mar 28, 2016 7:31 pm

NS Name: Kingdom of Courland and the Greater Dutch Republic
Nation Name:
English: Kingdom of Brandenburg and Prussia, Brandenburg-Prussia.
German: Königreich Brannenborg-Preußen, Brannenborg-Preußen
Head of State: King Fredrik Wilhelm III
Head of Government: King Fredrik Wilhelm III
Head of Diplomacy: King Fredrik Wilhelm III
Territory: Prussia, 1795

Flag: Prussian Flag
Demonym: Brandenburger, Prussian
Capital: Berlin
Currency: Prussian Reichsthaler
State/Primary Religion: Lutheranism

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: Typically Right-wing conservative.
Foreign Policy: Prussia has become rather isolationist since they helped suppress the French Revolution, focusing inwards. A growing group within Prussia seeks to establish trading posts and small colonies in Africa.
Domestic Policy: Despite the failure of the French Revolution, Prussia still deals with liberals and republicans who want the King's power restricted or the monarchy abolished completely. They also sunk into debt because of their huge expenditure on repressing the French Republic. The liberals and republicans are currently being suppressed while the economy is currently propped up on trade. Prussia seeks more trade to improve its economy.

Civil Freedoms /10: 7. Prussians and Brandenburgers are allowed to go about their daily lives normally, but Freedom of Speech is forbidden, and anyone caught talking out against the monarchy will be imprisoned and fines.
Political Freedoms /10: 2. Prussians and Brandemburgers vote for local mayors and the like, but have little to no say in the overall affairs of Brandenburg-Prussia.
Economic Freedoms /10: 5. Prussian businessmen can conduct business in other countries, but the King makes most economic decisions.

Military Size:
-Army:
Active: 300,000
Reserve: 420,000
Total: 720,000
-Navy:
5 Wooden Frigates
10 Transport Ships
Around 1,500 Crew(500 on Transports*, 1,000 on Frigates*)
-Elite Forces:
Prussian Marines: 30,000

Military Description: Prussia follows a doctrine of Quality and Quantity, believing that a well-equipped and trained army of vast numbers will triumph over any other nation. They spend most of their budget on their army's technology and materials, and Prussian military training is revered around the world for its strictness and effectiveness. Prussia has a weak Navy, relying on its ground army to crush any attempt by another country at a sea-borne invasion. Prussia's army is currently under the leadership of one Gerhard von Scharnhorst, who has revolutionized the Prussian training method and made Prussia one of the world's greatest military powers. The Prussian Marines is a small wing of the Prussian Armed Forces, numbering only 30,000, which are used in sea-borne invasions. However, they are hardly ever used unless Prussia does not share a border with the country it is at war with, and the small detachment are hardly used in war because Prussia relies on Land units, not sea invasions. The number of officers Prussia has in relation to soldiers is very high because of Gerhard von Scharnhorst's reforms, with one officer for every 50 Soldiers. This is because Prussia has one officer command a "Unit" of soldiers(which numbers fifty each) for maximum effectiveness. There are 20 Units to every Regiment, and 6 Regiments to a Battalion. There are a total of 120 Battalions of actively serving and reserve members. There are 50 Active Battalions and 70 Reserve Battalions. 5 Battalions(30,000 Soldiers) protect Berlin, with another 5 at Königsburg. 20 Active Battalions are stationed in areas taken from Poland-Lithuania to help crush any local revolts. The remaining 20 Battalions are stationed throughout Brandenburg-Prussia with 3 Battalions in the five Brandenburger-Prussian enclaves in Western Germany, another 2 Battalions in the three enclaves south of Brandenburg, 5 Battalions stationed throughout Silesia, and the remaining 20 stationed in Pomerania, Western Brandenburg, and East Prussia.
Strengths and Weaknesses: Brandenburg-Prussia has a very strong land army that could defeat many nation's armies with the notable exceptions of Russia and Austria, the later of which Prussia would be evenly matched with. Their navy, however, is quite weak.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy: In debt since the French Revolution, propped up by trade.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: Absolute monarchy ruled by King Fredrik Wilhelm III.
Short History of the last 40 years: Same as in RL, but in 1820 Prussia closed itself in and became heavily isolationist due the volatile political atmosphere in Europe at the time.
Population of entire empire: ~16,000,000**

*Transports get 50 Crew each because most of the Marines on the shops help and serve as crew, with basic training. This makes it so more more sailors can be placed on Frigates, which hold a crew of 200 each.
**This is a rough estimate based off of the information I could find. Btw Wikipedia is useless and Victoria 2's pop stats are wrong.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Mon Mar 28, 2016 8:12 pm

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
Reserve Prussia as of 1795(right after Third Partition of Poland)


Welcome! And duely noted. Hopefully you'll still have a state to go along with that army.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 29, 2016 2:56 am

Hmmmm... Reserve me the area of the early United States, before the Louisiana purchase...
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Postby The Greater Dutch Republic » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:55 am

My app is done plz look. Let's keep this going, because it's like the only good RP right now. Nationstates is going into that period where people stop using it and the number of RP's decrease and the ones that do exist are made by people with little to no understanding of history and only a handful of sensible RP's are made in this time and this is one of them so
PLZ DONT LET THIS DIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
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Gyrenaica wrote:Just maybe I might not see any nukes I may or may not buy off the black market and may or may not know that I may or may not have the possible launch codes that may or may not exist for the nukes that may or may not exist.

Liecthenbourg wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Does anyone know the term 'invasion of red tape'?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:54 am

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:My app is done plz look. Let's keep this going, because it's like the only good RP right now. Nationstates is going into that period where people stop using it and the number of RP's decrease and the ones that do exist are made by people with little to no understanding of history and only a handful of sensible RP's are made in this time and this is one of them so
PLZ DONT LET THIS DIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

That said, Prussia's army was in a pitiful state in the beginning of the 19th century, and it only improved because of the Napoleonic Wars. The Prussian army would still be in that hapless state it was in under the command of Der Alten Vörwarts.
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Postby Stadenwick » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:26 am

Finally, another good country RP. Here reserving the Dano-Norwegian union.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:34 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:My app is done plz look. Let's keep this going, because it's like the only good RP right now. Nationstates is going into that period where people stop using it and the number of RP's decrease and the ones that do exist are made by people with little to no understanding of history and only a handful of sensible RP's are made in this time and this is one of them so
PLZ DONT LET THIS DIE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

That said, Prussia's army was in a pitiful state in the beginning of the 19th century, and it only improved because of the Napoleonic Wars. The Prussian army would still be in that hapless state it was in under the command of Der Alten Vörwarts.


Well... to be fair basically everybody in Europe ought to still using essentially Fredrickian principals. Granted, that doesn't change the fact that keeping a standing army three times their 1805 strength would leave the country constantly hovering on the brink of bankruptcy and limit the money available for upgrades, but all that well-refined drill would certainly make the army look strong on paper considering the standards of the time. Weather that translates into victory on the field is yet to be seen

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:NS Name: Kingdom of Courland and the Greater Dutch Republic
Nation Name:
English: Kingdom of Brandenburg and Prussia, Brandenburg-Prussia.
German: Königreich Brannenborg-Preußen, Brannenborg-Preußen
Head of State: King Fredrik Wilhelm III
Head of Government: King Fredrik Wilhelm III
Head of Diplomacy: King Fredrik Wilhelm III
Territory: Prussia, 1795

Flag: Prussian Flag
Demonym: Brandenburger, Prussian
Capital: Berlin
Currency: Prussian Reichsthaler
State/Primary Religion: Lutheranism

Government Form: Absolute Monarchy
Ideology: Typically Right-wing conservative.
Foreign Policy: Prussia has become rather isolationist since they helped suppress the French Revolution, focusing inwards. A growing group within Prussia seeks to establish trading posts and small colonies in Africa.
Domestic Policy: Despite the failure of the French Revolution, Prussia still deals with liberals and republicans who want the King's power restricted or the monarchy abolished completely. They also sunk into debt because of their huge expenditure on repressing the French Republic. The liberals and republicans are currently being suppressed while the economy is currently propped up on trade. Prussia seeks more trade to improve its economy.

Civil Freedoms /10: 7. Prussians and Brandenburgers are allowed to go about their daily lives normally, but Freedom of Speech is forbidden, and anyone caught talking out against the monarchy will be imprisoned and fines.
Political Freedoms /10: 2. Prussians and Brandemburgers vote for local mayors and the like, but have little to no say in the overall affairs of Brandenburg-Prussia.
Economic Freedoms /10: 5. Prussian businessmen can conduct business in other countries, but the King makes most economic decisions.

Military Size:
-Army:
Active: 600,000
Reserve: 900,000
Total: 1,500,000
-Navy:
5 Wooden Frigates
10 Transport Ships
Around 1,500 Crew(500 on Transports*, 1,000 on Frigates*)
-Elite Forces:
Prussian Marines: 30,000

Military Description: Prussia follows a doctrine of Quality and Quantity, believing that a well-equipped and trained army of vast numbers will triumph over any other nation. They spend most of their budget on their army's technology and materials, and Prussian military training is revered around the world for its strictness and effectiveness. Prussia has a weak Navy, relying on its ground army to crush any attempt by another country at a sea-borne invasion.
Strengths and Weaknesses: Brandenburg-Prussia has a very strong land army that could crush most neighboring nation's armies. Their navy, however, is quite weak.

Short Description of Your Nation's Economy: In debt since the French Revolution, propped up by trade.
Short Description of Your Nation's Government: Absolute monarchy ruled by King Fredrik Wilhelm III.
Short History of the last 40 years: Same as in RL, but in 1820 Prussia closed itself in and became heavily isolationist due the volatile political atmosphere in Europe at the time.
Population of entire empire: ~16,000,000**

*Transports get 50 Crew each because most of the Marines on the shops help and serve as crew, with basic training. This makes it so more more sailors can be placed on Frigates, which hold a crew of 200 each.
**This is a rough estimate based off of the information I could find. Btw Wikipedia is useless and Victoria 2's pop stats are wrong.


Well... keeping a standing army of 3.75% of your population is high, but acceptable for an authoritarian state which seems to have deep internal security problems. Also, the 'crush any neighboring army' thing might not nessicerily be true. Accepted, on the condition you go into a little more detail about the current doctrine/make-up of the Prussian army, considering it seems to be the heart of your country.
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What country? Oh, you mean the land my army occupies. That makes sense. Actually, that gives me an idea. Would a military dictatorship be out of the question? I was thinking the army gets mad at the isolationist policy and overthrows the King.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Tue Mar 29, 2016 7:50 am

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:What country? Oh, you mean the land my army occupies. That makes sense. Actually, that gives me an idea. Would a military dictatorship be out of the question? I was thinking the army gets mad at the isolationist policy and overthrows the King.


Well, usually the way that works is the army would overthrow the King and put in a weaker, more easily manipulated one (Or one who promised to pay them more), or the leader of the coup makes himself king/president for life/ect, and considering your generals ought to be mostly nobles one of them would probably want to claim the throne.

Its not out of the question (Japan, for instance, lived under a military dictatorship for 2 1/2 centuries at this point), but it would be considered unusual by your neighbors, and probably involve a Hohenzollern claimant in exile somewhere seeking to retake 'his' country.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:06 am

Scrap that. France it is!
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Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Scrap that. France it is!

Aww, I was planning on being France. Oh well, I might be either Sicily/Naples or Venice. Quick question though, if we are to make an app of a country in a personal union, like Denmark-Norway, Sicily/Naples or Great Britain and Hanover, would we need to make another app for that other country?
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Postby New Granadeseret » Tue Mar 29, 2016 8:44 am

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Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Scrap that. France it is!

Aww, I was planning on being France. Oh well, I might be either Sicily/Naples or Venice. Quick question though, if we are to make an app of a country in a personal union, like Denmark-Norway, Sicily/Naples or Great Britain and Hanover, would we need to make another app for that other country?


That depends on how the nation functions in practice. More Absolutists states, where the autonomy of the lesser state in the Union is limited (Denmark-Norway, for example, where the Copenhagen government has essentially all the power), then a single application will suffice. For unions where the lesser states function more like full-fledged nations, at least in terms of domestic affairs (Hanover, for example.), then two applications would be preferable, though you can just highlight the local differences in the relevant sections of your main application (Separate population figures, government structures, ect.)
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Can I RP as a unified Boer state? If so, consider this a reservation
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Postby The Greater Dutch Republic » Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:05 am

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The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:What country? Oh, you mean the land my army occupies. That makes sense. Actually, that gives me an idea. Would a military dictatorship be out of the question? I was thinking the army gets mad at the isolationist policy and overthrows the King.


Well, usually the way that works is the army would overthrow the King and put in a weaker, more easily manipulated one (Or one who promised to pay them more), or the leader of the coup makes himself king/president for life/ect, and considering your generals ought to be mostly nobles one of them would probably want to claim the throne.

Its not out of the question (Japan, for instance, lived under a military dictatorship for 2 1/2 centuries at this point), but it would be considered unusual by your neighbors, and probably involve a Hohenzollern claimant in exile somewhere seeking to retake 'his' country.

Yeah, scratch that. I'll add more description to the Army, though.
EDIT: added a ton of description to the army.
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Bashatar wrote:Can I RP as a unified Boer state? If so, consider this a reservation


You mean the Dutch South Africa? Granted, there would still be a very brief British occupation of the Cape, but considering the crushing of the Republican armies there seems to be little reason to consider it permanent, since the Batavians would get the same treatment as the Revolutionaries in short order.

So you can have a Boer state... but feel free to make it larger.

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Well, usually the way that works is the army would overthrow the King and put in a weaker, more easily manipulated one (Or one who promised to pay them more), or the leader of the coup makes himself king/president for life/ect, and considering your generals ought to be mostly nobles one of them would probably want to claim the throne.

Its not out of the question (Japan, for instance, lived under a military dictatorship for 2 1/2 centuries at this point), but it would be considered unusual by your neighbors, and probably involve a Hohenzollern claimant in exile somewhere seeking to retake 'his' country.

Yeah, scratch that. I'll add more description to the Army, though.
EDIT: added a ton of description to the army.


Doctrine reform is fine. However, realize that rapid expanse in numbers generally comes at the cost of the quality of training, and officers are no exception. So, from what I'm getting, you're trying to create a top-down system with good command and control, but can't expect much from the skills/initiative of individual officers. Accepted
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Bashatar wrote:Can I RP as a unified Boer state? If so, consider this a reservation


You mean the Dutch South Africa? Granted, there would still be a very brief British occupation of the Cape, but considering the crushing of the Republican armies there seems to be little reason to consider it permanent, since the Batavians would get the same treatment as the Revolutionaries in short order.

So you can have a Boer state... but feel free to make it larger.

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:Yeah, scratch that. I'll add more description to the Army, though.
EDIT: added a ton of description to the army.


Doctrine reform is fine. However, realize that rapid expanse in numbers generally comes at the cost of the quality of training, and officers are no exception. So, from what I'm getting, you're trying to create a top-down system with good command and control, but can't expect much from the skills/initiative of individual officers. Accepted

I am trying to boost my economy. I might put a temporary half to military advancement, while the economy recovers.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Mar 29, 2016 3:43 pm

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:
New Granadeseret wrote:
You mean the Dutch South Africa? Granted, there would still be a very brief British occupation of the Cape, but considering the crushing of the Republican armies there seems to be little reason to consider it permanent, since the Batavians would get the same treatment as the Revolutionaries in short order.

So you can have a Boer state... but feel free to make it larger.



Doctrine reform is fine. However, realize that rapid expanse in numbers generally comes at the cost of the quality of training, and officers are no exception. So, from what I'm getting, you're trying to create a top-down system with good command and control, but can't expect much from the skills/initiative of individual officers. Accepted

I am trying to boost my economy. I might put a temporary half to military advancement, while the economy recovers.

Halt or half? Because Louis XVIII halved the military when the Bourbon dynasty was restored in 1814. That didn't go very well...
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The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:I am trying to boost my economy. I might put a temporary half to military advancement, while the economy recovers.

Halt or half? Because Louis XVIII halved the military when the Bourbon dynasty was restored in 1814. That didn't go very well...

Sorry, I meant halt. I figure my military is already advanced enough for the time being.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:13 pm

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:Halt or half? Because Louis XVIII halved the military when the Bourbon dynasty was restored in 1814. That didn't go very well...

Sorry, I meant halt. I figure my military is already advanced enough for the time being.


Large, yes. Advanced, less so. In 1806 Prussia couldn't afford to upgrade the 1754 rifles or ancient cannons of an army a 1/3 of your size. In terms of discipline and organization Prussia can be a formidable force, but you're not going to have the shiniest new gear to go along with it.
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Postby The Greater Dutch Republic » Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:16 pm

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The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:Sorry, I meant halt. I figure my military is already advanced enough for the time being.


Large, yes. Advanced, less so. In 1806 Prussia couldn't afford to upgrade the 1754 rifles or ancient cannons of an army a 1/3 of your size. In terms of discipline and organization Prussia can be a formidable force, but you're not going to have the shiniest new gear to go along with it.

It's 1836. Not 1806. Also, note to self: put more money towards shiny new things.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:42 pm

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:
New Granadeseret wrote:
Large, yes. Advanced, less so. In 1806 Prussia couldn't afford to upgrade the 1754 rifles or ancient cannons of an army a 1/3 of your size. In terms of discipline and organization Prussia can be a formidable force, but you're not going to have the shiniest new gear to go along with it.

It's 1836. Not 1806. Also, note to self: put more money towards shiny new things.


If you're in as heavy debt as you claim, that might be an issue. And yes, 30 years have passed, but I doubt Prussia's economy has tripled in size during that period.

That's not to say you're parading around with century-old weapons. Just that you won't exactly be carrying the same quality of equipment as, say, France or GB. At least not large quantities of your forces (Do you realize how expensive a million plus small arms are?)
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Postby The Greater Dutch Republic » Wed Mar 30, 2016 3:41 am

New Granadeseret wrote:
The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:It's 1836. Not 1806. Also, note to self: put more money towards shiny new things.


If you're in as heavy debt as you claim, that might be an issue. And yes, 30 years have passed, but I doubt Prussia's economy has tripled in size during that period.

That's not to say you're parading around with century-old weapons. Just that you won't exactly be carrying the same quality of equipment as, say, France or GB. At least not large quantities of your forces (Do you realize how expensive a million plus small arms are?)

I haven't done the exact math, but I imagine it's really really really expensive. I'm quite aware that either way I upgrade my military, through training or equipment, is going to cost a crap ton of money.
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Postby New Granadeseret » Wed Mar 30, 2016 10:36 am

The Greater Dutch Republic wrote:
New Granadeseret wrote:
If you're in as heavy debt as you claim, that might be an issue. And yes, 30 years have passed, but I doubt Prussia's economy has tripled in size during that period.

That's not to say you're parading around with century-old weapons. Just that you won't exactly be carrying the same quality of equipment as, say, France or GB. At least not large quantities of your forces (Do you realize how expensive a million plus small arms are?)

I haven't done the exact math, but I imagine it's really really really expensive. I'm quite aware that either way I upgrade my military, through training or equipment, is going to cost a crap ton of money.


It would be, yes, especially considering we're still in the infancy of interchangeable parts where you still need skilled gunsmiths. You'll probably have to levee some foreign loans (BTW: I assume most of your current debt is from British banks and the more prosperous/commercially inclined members of the Holy Roman Empire?). You'll probably have to find alternative revenue streams if you want to upgrade. (Lenders and/or beating people up and stealing their stuff)

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