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Vashty
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Postby Vashty » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:37 pm

Novus America wrote:
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green politics? no?


Many green parties are actually for "de growth". I.e. recession. Plus more immigration which together of course mean rising poverty if combined with degrowth.

Green politics is just extremist left wing. So I doubt it would apeal to him if he is critical of imigration, extreme feminism and political correctness as green politics advocates all three.

Green is not an alternative to those pissed off about the left and right is it is just crazy hard left.


No party is for recession. There's just having either not enough resources to plan enough for an economy/economic policy as a small party, or being held down by coalitions. As for immigration, I think it's not that serious an issue as it's made out to be. Just my opinion

Extreme/radical feminism isn't left-wing. It's actually far-right, having roots in "scientific" evidence close to racialism - ie men are not as developed as women during the process in the womb etc - therefore they're subhuman etc.

Political correctness isn't a problem in the UK unless you are actually racist/sexist/homophobic etc.
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Green ideologies rather than green parties are alternative ideologies. Don't think that it's as simple as green parties. Green conservatism, liberalism, socialism, even eco-fascism exists. Then there's deep ecology, eco-anarchism etc. You don't look into this much do you?
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Postby Novus America » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:39 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Novus America wrote:Many green parties are actually for "de growth". I.e. recession. Plus more immigration which together of course mean rising poverty if combined with degrowth.

Green politics is just extremist left wing. So I doubt it would apeal to him if he is critical of imigration, extreme feminism and political correctness as green politics advocates all three.

Green is not an alternative to those pissed off about the left and right is it is just crazy hard left.

The Finnish green party (Green League) isn't so bad. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_League Their economic policies are centrist and there's this:
The party's latest policy platform on immigration has called for immigrants to study Finland's official languages, Finnish or Swedish, or lose social welfare benefits. Green Party chair and Labour Minister Anni Sinnemäki states it is an immigrant's duty to learn the language of their new home country.[12]


Why? The are not as hard core as most greens sure. But just you run of the mill European left. People angry with the European left will not want them as they are just more of the same.
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Postby Geilinor » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:43 pm

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Why? The are not as hard core as most greens sure. But just you run of the mill European left. People angry with the European left will not want them as they are just more of the same.

My point was that they aren't hard core, but fair enough.
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Postby Vashty » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:47 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Novus America wrote:
Why? The are not as hard core as most greens sure. But just you run of the mill European left. People angry with the European left will not want them as they are just more of the same.

My point was that they aren't hard core, but fair enough.


People angry with the European left tend to already just be conservative as fuck (UKIP) or apathetic but angry.
Ironically they want the status quo therefore.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:34 am

Bulgarija wrote:I don't care, the Slovak people decide who leads them, and it's not up to beta liberal males like NSG to judge their decision.

I'll judge whoever the fuck I want to.

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Postby Divitaen » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:36 am

Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.
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Postby East Lenzum » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:42 am

Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


It is the green parties who need to be banned.

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Postby Divitaen » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:47 am

East Lenzum wrote:
Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


It is the green parties who need to be banned.


Right, the parties fighting for an idealistic future, not the monsters who degrade other human beings, treat them as arbitrary inferiors and generally demonise innocent people. Everything in that sentence needs to be made a crime and that starts with throwing those far-right politicians all in jail.
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Postby Insaeldor » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:22 pm

Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


Absolutely! Because that's the whole point of democracy right? We just ban the parties we don't like, that's a perfect solution to all of this.
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Postby Eol Sha » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:24 pm

East Lenzum wrote:
Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


It is the green parties who need to be banned.

Erm, why?
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Postby Novus America » Tue Mar 15, 2016 12:26 pm

Divitaen wrote:
East Lenzum wrote:
It is the green parties who need to be banned.


Right, the parties fighting for an idealistic future, not the monsters who degrade other human beings, treat them as arbitrary inferiors and generally demonise innocent people. Everything in that sentence needs to be made a crime and that starts with throwing those far-right politicians all in jail.


How about we not ban any parties in the first place! Want to know how to beat the Fascists? Offer a fucking credible alternative!
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Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Vashty » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:48 pm

Novus America wrote:
Divitaen wrote:
Right, the parties fighting for an idealistic future, not the monsters who degrade other human beings, treat them as arbitrary inferiors and generally demonise innocent people. Everything in that sentence needs to be made a crime and that starts with throwing those far-right politicians all in jail.


How about we not ban any parties in the first place! Want to know how to beat the Fascists? Offer a fucking credible alternative!


How about checking out my fucking response to you a few quotes back, and stop pretending like alternatives don't exist?
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Postby Vashty » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:53 pm

Eol Sha wrote:
East Lenzum wrote:
It is the green parties who need to be banned.

Erm, why?


Because anything that's radical and not fascist is bad apparently
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:56 pm

Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


That would only further enrage them.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Tue Mar 15, 2016 2:56 pm

East Lenzum wrote:
Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


It is the green parties who need to be banned.


Why?
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Postby Vorond » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:37 pm

Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


Try, bro. 8)
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Postby Jochistan » Tue Mar 15, 2016 6:55 pm

Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.

If you ban them they're not going to change. They might even get stronger. And if Liberals do it pretty much everyome who disagrees with them will be labeled a fascist.
As much as I would like some sort of non democratic action against them. I know it probably won't work any more than trying to vote them to death (ideologically, not physically).

There's no way to deal with them exept fighting back when they (inevitably) start to kill people.
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Postby Trigori » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:33 am

Got some new info lads

The first post-election poll is out, and Kotleba gained about 1,5%. Of course, the polls are made on a limited number of subjects (around 1000), so it may vary in reality. I personally think he's got even more.
Link (in Slovak, but there's graphs): http://domov.sme.sk/c/20117181/prvy-pov ... astie.html

There's also been an online poll by one of our web-magazines and Kotleba won the poll with 36%, followed by the liberal SaS with 30%. I can't find it again though, so you just have to take my word for it.

Regarding politics in general, #SIEŤ and Most-Híd are falling apart after they decided to go in coalition with the ruling SMER-SD. Their members are threatening to leave if they go through with it and the people who voted for them are outraged since the parties' campaigns were also quite anti-SMER, even declaring that they would never go in a coalition with him.

EDIT: Oh and notion has been put forward to examine whether Kotleba's party is unconstitutional.
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Postby TheDrunkenLlamas » Wed Mar 16, 2016 2:47 am

Vorond wrote:
Divitaen wrote:Europe honestly needs to just ban all of its far-right parties. Same trend in Germany with AfD winning seats because of anti-refugee sentiments. Seriously, someone needs to stick it to these parties and throw all their elected officials into jail where they belong.


Try, bro. 8)


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Postby Buau » Thu Mar 17, 2016 5:59 am

I have heard about this and the Party has 8% in the parliament despite the Slovak government isn't letting any refugees in.
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