Should we legalize suicide?

[Striton]

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[Ardoki]

That isn't suicide. If someone commits suicide, they are not going to be charged for violating a law against suicide (it is kind of hard to prosecute a dead person).

What you are talking about is assisted suicide, which is very different.

[Ostroeuropa]

Legalize, Tax, and Regulate!

[Tyrinth]

I support the ability to take one's own life, but I'm not so certain about government or doctor assistance in the matter except in very specific circumstances.

[Valystria]

Legalize, Tax, and Regulate!

But also educate.

[Ostroeuropa]

Legalize, Tax, and Regulate!

But also educate.

That's what the taxes are for. Campaigns showing people how fucked up people get from botched attempts and such.

[Korhal IVV]

No.

[Valystria]

No.

Why not?

This is a matter of bodily-autonomy and self-ownership there are no net societal downsides to. If someone legitimately doesn't want to live, there is nothing gained from forcing them to live, especially when they can always go through with suicide regardless of your ban on it.

[Idzequitch]

The government has its finger dipped in enough questionable pies without helping people kill themselves. Whether suicide should be legal is a whole other question, but the government most definitely should not be involved in it either way.

[Jochistan]

No. You may think exploiting someones unhappiness in order to kill them is fine. But it's not going to change what it is. Exploiting someones unhappiness.

[Ostroeuropa]

The government has its finger dipped in enough questionable pies without helping people kill themselves. Whether suicide should be legal is a whole other question, but the government most definitely should not be involved in it either way.

Whether or not the facilities should be run by the state, they should be regulated by it.

[Korhal IVV]

No.

Why not?

This is a matter of bodily-autonomy and self-ownership there are no net societal downsides to. If someone legitimately doesn't want to live, there is nothing gained from forcing them to live, especially when they can always go through with suicide regardless of your ban on it.

Selbstmord ist Dummheit und muss gestoppt werden

[Valystria]

No. You may think exploiting someones unhappiness in order to kill them is fine. But it's not going to change what it is. Exploiting someones unhappiness.

There is nothing innately unethical in exploiting someone's unhappiness. Provide better reasoning.

The government has its finger dipped in enough questionable pies without helping people kill themselves. Whether suicide should be legal is a whole other question, but the government most definitely should not be involved in it either way.

So you want suicide to be an entirely privatized service? That's fine.

But with countries that have a public health service it would be inconsistent to not have the state provide assisted suicide.

[Korhal IVV]

No. You may think exploiting someones unhappiness in order to kill them is fine. But it's not going to change what it is. Exploiting someones unhappiness.

There is nothing innately unethical in exploiting someone's unhappiness. Provide better reasoning.

The government has its finger dipped in enough questionable pies without helping people kill themselves. Whether suicide should be legal is a whole other question, but the government most definitely should not be involved in it either way.

So you want suicide to be an entirely privatized service? That's fine.

But with countries that have a public health service it would be inconsistent to not have the state provide assisted suicide.

What kind of idiot government assists its citizens in self-destruction?

[The Nihilistic view]

That's assisted suicide....

Suicide is not illegal pretty much everywhere.

[Korhal IVV]

That's assisted suicide....

I know.

[Rusozak]

No. You may think exploiting someones unhappiness in order to kill them is fine. But it's not going to change what it is. Exploiting someones unhappiness.

You are thinking about it too narrowly. What about terminal illness? You're gonna make someone slowly wither away in the slowest death you can think of?

[Valystria]

There is nothing innately unethical in exploiting someone's unhappiness. Provide better reasoning.


So you want suicide to be an entirely privatized service? That's fine.

But with countries that have a public health service it would be inconsistent to not have the state provide assisted suicide.

What kind of idiot government assists its citizens in self-destruction?

The vast majority.

Provide better reasoning against the legalization of suicide without using ad hominems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

[Valystria]

That's assisted suicide....

Suicide is not illegal pretty much everywhere.

In a legalized suicide environment DIY suicide-kits could be sold as a regulated commodity.

Legalized suicide isn't limited to only being assisted suicide.

[Ostroeuropa]

There is nothing innately unethical in exploiting someone's unhappiness. Provide better reasoning.


So you want suicide to be an entirely privatized service? That's fine.

But with countries that have a public health service it would be inconsistent to not have the state provide assisted suicide.

What kind of idiot government assists its citizens in self-destruction?

One that respects their rights to self-determination, and/or recognizes that suicidal individuals are a resource drain.

[Jochistan]

No. You may think exploiting someones unhappiness in order to kill them is fine. But it's not going to change what it is. Exploiting someones unhappiness.

You are thinking about it too narrowly. What about terminal illness? You're gonna make someone slowly wither away in the slowest death you can think of?

Probably should be focused on curing that person or making them feel better than killing them.

[The Nihilistic view]

Anyway, why is it the taxpayers job to fund people killing themselves (bar terminally ill patients that can't do it for themselves)?

[Valystria]

What kind of idiot government assists its citizens in self-destruction?

One that respects their rights to self-determination, and/or recognizes that suicidal individuals are a resource drain.

And one that recognizes we can harvest the organs of departed citizens, for the betterment of the living, of course.

[Rusozak]

That's assisted suicide....

Suicide is not illegal pretty much everywhere.

In a legalized suicide environment DIY suicide-kits could be sold as a regulated commodity.

Legalized suicide isn't limited to only being assisted suicide.

Selling a kit with the sole purpose of helping someone end their own life is still assisted suicide. Just a hands-off version.

[Ostroeuropa]

Anyway, why is it the taxpayers job to fund people killing themselves (bar terminally ill patients that can't do it for themselves)?

I would agree that it isn't. In the case of non-terminally ill individuals, it should be a procedure that comes at cost to the consumer of the product.
We already sell such products, they are just very inaccurate and have a chance of fucking someone up beyond repair. It is in everyones interests to sell products specifically designed to facilitate suicide, rather than people just buying derpy DIY versions of that product.