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How do we stop racially motivated attacks on immigrants?

Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:10 am

How do we stop racially motivated attacks on immigrants in Australia?
Proof it happens:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-05/r ... ng/6524440
http://www.sbs.com.au/cronullariots/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_ ... ontroversy
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne ... -motivated
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-17/r ... an/5819372

I think the idea of racially motivated attacks is horrible, I think people who plot out or carry a racially motivated offence should be jailed for both plotting it out and for carrying it out. We are at a stage where we should not allow racism in our countries. How can anyone condone these actions on the most vulnerable in our society? It is atrocious, racial minorities should be protected but they should not be above the law. The acts are clearly xenophobic and racist, for the uneducated, I will define what both of those terms are.
Xenophobia is described as
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

Racism is described as
Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Modern variants are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples.

So, nation states what can we do to stop racially motivated attacks on immigrants in Australia>
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Postby Sun Lands » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:13 am

You might as well say "in the world" because there has always been and will always be racists. And given that, there will always be racial abuse. I suppose the best policy is integration, I shake your hand, you shake mine, we go and make tea.
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Postby Alekseandrea » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:20 am

If one couldn't notice they are immigrants,
they wouldn't be attacked because they are immigrants.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:45 am

Alekseandrea wrote:If one couldn't notice they are immigrants,
they wouldn't be attacked because they are immigrants.


And what would you consider to be marking people as immigrants?
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Postby Frank Zipper » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:47 am

By not voting for the politicians who tacitly encourage that kind of thing. You know Trump, Le Pen, Wilders...
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Postby Russo-Byzantine Empire » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:57 am

The only answer are turrets that are on every street that shoot tranquilizer darts at the first sign of violence at the instigator. Otherwise, you can't eliminate racism.
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Postby AiliailiA » Mon Jan 25, 2016 3:58 am

"Racially motivated" the attacks may be. But that's not the only motivation.

A perpetrator who attacks a stranger on the street may pick their target by race (or by markers of ethnicity like how they dress or the language the attacker hears them speak, or even by an accent). The perpetrator's moral inhibitions are lowered in the presence of someone they think of as "lesser" people than themselves, and perhaps the perpetrator thinks the victim will be less defended by the law or bystanders.

But there is something wrong with anyone who would attack a stranger on the street, there's something wrong with anyone who would rob or verbally abuse a stranger.

Though the "opportunity" may be that the victim is of some other race or ethnicity, the "motive" probably isn't that. It's probably the motive to get money (in the case of robberies) or to hurt and humiliate someone (in the case of assaults). The perpetrator's racism determines the target, but if they weren't racist at all they'd still attack someone.

Racism is a moral weakness, a weakness present in many or even a majority of people. Making people aware of their racism will in many cases make them ashamed of it, a counter-motivation to acting on it, but it wouldn't do much to reduce harm done by the violent and exploitative people.
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Postby Lydenburg » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:02 am

Jiss I had no idea xenophobia was so prevalent in Oz. Maybe I should not be moving there...

Wait, I experienced absolutely no xenophobia in Melbourne or Perth on any of the trips I've made down there as a potential immigrant. Talking to banks, government officials, potential employers and colleagues, they all made me feel at home and were nothing if not encouraging of my plans to immigrate. In fact, I experience more discrimination and slurs per week in Joburg than I did over my accumulated three month plus time spent anywhere in Oz.

If there is some wave of Australian hate violence that targets immigrants I've yet to experience it.

Ek bly in Australie nou, maar Afrika sal altyd in my hart wees. Maak nie saak wat gebeur nie, ek is trots om te kan sê ek is 'n kind van hierdie ingewikkelde soms wrede kontinent. Mis jou altyd my Suid-Afrika, hier met n seer hart al die pad van Melbourne af!


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Postby Blakullar » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:06 am

Alekseandrea wrote:If one couldn't notice they are immigrants,
they wouldn't be attacked because they are immigrants.

Actually, this. Attacks on immigrants by natives are often the result of perceiving the immigrants as threats to the native culture. That supposed threat could be eliminated by a comprehensive programme of assimilation that prevents ghettoisation and broadly exposes immigrants and (more importantly) their children to the native culture.
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Postby Project Book » Mon Jan 25, 2016 4:57 am

Lydenburg wrote:Jiss I had no idea xenophobia was so prevalent in Oz. Maybe I should not be moving there...

Wait, I experienced absolutely no xenophobia in Melbourne or Perth on any of the trips I've made down there as a potential immigrant. Talking to banks, government officials, potential employers and colleagues, they all made me feel at home and were nothing if not encouraging of my plans to immigrate. In fact, I experience more discrimination and slurs per week in Joburg than I did over my accumulated three month plus time spent anywhere in Oz.

If there is some wave of Australian hate violence that targets immigrants I've yet to experience it.


It depends on which suburb you find yourself in.

In most places, you should be fine, but there are suburbs that are known to be particularly more dangerous than the others.

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Postby Project Book » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:00 am

Blakullar wrote:
Alekseandrea wrote:If one couldn't notice they are immigrants,
they wouldn't be attacked because they are immigrants.

Actually, this. Attacks on immigrants by natives are often the result of perceiving the immigrants as threats to the native culture. That supposed threat could be eliminated by a comprehensive programme of assimilation that prevents ghettoisation and broadly exposes immigrants and (more importantly) their children to the native culture.


Not necessarily. So long as you're visibly not belonging to the country in question, there are still chances that you'll be attacked, regardless of whether you were born there or not.

Besides, things like accents are really difficult to change and even if you follow the country's "culture" even more than the natives themselves do, they hear your accent and they still consider you a target.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:05 am

Ailiailia wrote:"Racially motivated" the attacks may be. But that's not the only motivation.

A perpetrator who attacks a stranger on the street may pick their target by race (or by markers of ethnicity like how they dress or the language the attacker hears them speak, or even by an accent). The perpetrator's moral inhibitions are lowered in the presence of someone they think of as "lesser" people than themselves, and perhaps the perpetrator thinks the victim will be less defended by the law or bystanders.

But there is something wrong with anyone who would attack a stranger on the street, there's something wrong with anyone who would rob or verbally abuse a stranger.

Though the "opportunity" may be that the victim is of some other race or ethnicity, the "motive" probably isn't that. It's probably the motive to get money (in the case of robberies) or to hurt and humiliate someone (in the case of assaults). The perpetrator's racism determines the target, but if they weren't racist at all they'd still attack someone.

Racism is a moral weakness, a weakness present in many or even a majority of people. Making people aware of their racism will in many cases make them ashamed of it, a counter-motivation to acting on it, but it wouldn't do much to reduce harm done by the violent and exploitative people.



I'm not sure they'd still be attacking someone necessarily, but your overall point is true.

I'd say one way we can lessen racially motivated attacks immediately though is to stop incidents like Rotheram and Cologne giving the impression that vigilantism is necessary to protect your community from ethnic minorities, because the state won't merely not help you, but will help racial minority perpetrators of crimes. The perception of injustice here lends itself to increasing racist sentiment in general.

I'd also say this kind of problem factors into black america and crime statistics. The perception that the police will not help you leads to vigilantism and a culture of violence. In black communities this takes the form of gangs of varying types.
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Postby Project Book » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:19 am



Not sure what you're trying to prove with these 'proofs', besides the Cronulla riots, (which happened quite a long time ago, and it's been marked as a regretful episode in the Australian history), and maybe, maybe the Indians international students thing, these episodes are isolated incidents and not representative of any systematic racism or anything. And you can't prevent isolated incidents.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:36 am

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Not sure what you're trying to prove with these 'proofs', besides the Cronulla riots, (which happened quite a long time ago, and it's been marked as a regretful episode in the Australian history), and maybe, maybe the Indians international students thing, these episodes are isolated incidents and not representative of any systematic racism or anything. And you can't prevent isolated incidents.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:40 am

Well, my sister told me Australia is racist. Given that they like their borders sovereign and until 1973 were heavily pro-Caucasian immigration, I'm not surprised.
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Socialist Tera wrote:
Project Book wrote:
Not sure what you're trying to prove with these 'proofs', besides the Cronulla riots, (which happened quite a long time ago, and it's been marked as a regretful episode in the Australian history), and maybe, maybe the Indians international students thing, these episodes are isolated incidents and not representative of any systematic racism or anything. And you can't prevent isolated incidents.

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Postby Project Book » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:43 am

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Well, my sister told me Australia is racist. Given that they like their borders sovereign and until 1973 were heavily pro-Caucasian immigration, I'm not surprised.
It's likely beyond our technological sophistication to stop them.


I find you quite racist against Australians if you're basing your whole view of them off a comment of your sister, things that happened a long time ago and border protection does not imply racism.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:47 am

Project Book wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Well, my sister told me Australia is racist. Given that they like their borders sovereign and until 1973 were heavily pro-Caucasian immigration, I'm not surprised.
It's likely beyond our technological sophistication to stop them.


I find you quite racist against Australians if you're basing your whole view of them off a comment of your sister, things that happened a long time ago and border protection does not imply racism.

Australians are racist, like really. We basically hate our natives population, we basically got scared of Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese and now Syrians immigrating.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:48 am

Project Book wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:Well, my sister told me Australia is racist. Given that they like their borders sovereign and until 1973 were heavily pro-Caucasian immigration, I'm not surprised.
It's likely beyond our technological sophistication to stop them.


I find you quite racist against Australians if you're basing your whole view of them off a comment of your sister, things that happened a long time ago and border protection does not imply racism.


So a racial bias in Immigration policy is not racism?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:48 am

In general, the immigrants aren't just attacked for no reason. It is often because some of the immigrants attack the natives first. And vigilantism is just the result if the police are perceived to be too heavily on the immigrants' side.

The Lebanese for example, were responsible for gang rapes in Australia and pissed the locals off enough to the extent that they sparked riots. If you're familiar with what led up to the Cronulla riots, you'd know that the Australians had every right to be pissed off about what was regularly going on.
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Postby Lydenburg » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:05 am

Socialist Tera wrote:
Project Book wrote:
I find you quite racist against Australians if you're basing your whole view of them off a comment of your sister, things that happened a long time ago and border protection does not imply racism.

Australians are racist, like really. We basically hate our natives population, we basically got scared of Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese and now Syrians immigrating.


Are Australians generally OK with South Africans?

Ek bly in Australie nou, maar Afrika sal altyd in my hart wees. Maak nie saak wat gebeur nie, ek is trots om te kan sê ek is 'n kind van hierdie ingewikkelde soms wrede kontinent. Mis jou altyd my Suid-Afrika, hier met n seer hart al die pad van Melbourne af!


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Postby Iwassoclose » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:09 am

Lydenburg wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Australians are racist, like really. We basically hate our natives population, we basically got scared of Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese and now Syrians immigrating.


Are Australians generally OK with South Africans?


Are they white? Yes.

Are they black? No.

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Postby Socialist Tera » Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:50 am

Lydenburg wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Australians are racist, like really. We basically hate our natives population, we basically got scared of Chinese, Vietnamese, Lebanese and now Syrians immigrating.


Are Australians generally OK with South Africans?

Depends on color of skin to be honest. If white, yes, if black, probably not as much.
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Postby White European States » Mon Jan 25, 2016 9:08 am

By puting a end on Immigration.

No Immigration=No Racial Diversity=No Racism inside the borders

Simple
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