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Is Abortion "unethical"?

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Meldaria
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Abortion is Wrong?

Postby Meldaria » Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:07 pm

Some people make the claim that abortion is wrong, because "you are destroying potential life". So wait, just because this "potential life" got a little bit farther than other "potential life", it's somehow more important? Every time you masturbate you're destroying millions of "potential lives". Every time you wear a condom, same principle. If you wake up in the morning with sticky sheets do you say, "CRAP I'M A MURDERER!" No of course not, but people still tend to call abortion doctors, "murderers". In fact, by not having constant sex as much as possibly entirely depleting your testicles of sperm and semen, you are destroying a whole lot of "potential life". It's really hard to avoid destroying "potential life", so just because an embryo or fetus is a bit further along the line doesn't mean it is any more deserving of life than all the other "potential life" we destroy on a daily basis. So I would just like to point out that arguments against abortion are short-sighted, ignorant, and illogical. Please debate here.
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Postby The Hobbo » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:46 am

Here's a link that has different articles that might answer your questions:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-ans ... euthanasia
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:56 am

Well, it really comes down to the fact that it occurs, a lot, regardless of whether it's legal or illegal and so, given that's the case, it's better to make it a safe, medical procedure than a risky non-medical procedure.

I mean, people can argue on forever about personhood but they're rather irrelevant arguments.
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Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:57 am

Only a fertilized egg is a potential person. When u jerk off, its just sperms. Sperms dont grow up to be people.

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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:00 am

ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(
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Postby Skibereen » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:02 am

I wouldnt debate this here if you were going to give the Serpent and Rainbow treatment.

I will say however(like many things that dumbed down to an AMAZING degree on this board) its a very complex issue, not black and white. Many people are torn where their loyalties should lie.

I am very much anti-abortion in just about all cases--fuck a list "Just about all cases" is the only answer Im giving.
However I am also very much in favor of choice, choice is freedom, it is free-will, it IS the woman's body...but then its the babies body too.
So I am a personally I very reluctant supporter of choice, and i feel sick when i say it. But I do say it, and as much as it pains me--and it does pain me--I mean it.
I dont like whack job bully-boy protesters outside clinics holding pictures of dead babies and acting like abusing women in trouble makes them rightgeous, I dont like filthy pig faced sluts who get 3 or 4 abortions because that cant figure out those cocks they keep hoping on are the cause of the problem. Yes I have known both kinds of people.

I dont like the issue, it isnt a win/lose issue. Its a lose lose issue. No matter what choices are shitty on this one and...bleh.
argumentum ad logicam, seriously think about it.

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:05 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?
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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:06 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?

Hypocrites >:( Liberalism cannot advance to the degree of allowing people to have such great liberty that others are(negatively) affected.
Imagine the "poor" babies in heaven:

:( -- Mummy doesn't want me!
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Postby Former Principalities » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:06 am

This issue is one that I can't seem to have a definite stance on. I appreciate that women should be allowed to make decisions for themselves, but with abortion it's different. If the baby has an illness or something of that sort which threatens its life and/or the life of the mother, then abortion should be an option in that circumstance. However, an abortion which is performed to remove the baby because the mother-to-be complains that she can't support a baby, or other reasons such as that, is pure idiocy. The baby exists because you made the wrong choice relative to your own life and standing. Live with it.

I'm probably going to get hammered for this view, but hey, that's what a debate is all about.

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Postby The Tofu Islands » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:08 am

I think the situation in the Philippines is one of the best arguments for legalised abortion.

(They have a total abortion ban, and complications from illegal abortions are one of the most common causes of hospitalisation among women.)

Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(

However there are people who would rather have been aborted then carried to term by a person who had no choice.

Besides, most people do not support abortion, they are just pro-choice.
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:08 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?

Hypocrites >:(


Same to you.
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Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:10 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?

Hypocrites >:( Liberalism cannot advance to the degree of allowing people to have such great liberty that others are(negatively) affected.
Imagine the "poor" babies in heaven:

:( -- Mummy doesn't want me!


If there is a heaven and if there are fetuses there, how can they think "Mummy doesn't want me"?
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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:10 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?

Hypocrites >:(


Same to you.

You are here now only because you were not aborted: "tumour and cell" >:(
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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:14 am

Nova Magna Germania wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?

Hypocrites >:( Liberalism cannot advance to the degree of allowing people to have such great liberty that others are(negatively) affected.
Imagine the "poor" babies in heaven:

:( -- Mummy doesn't want me!


If there is a heaven and if there are fetuses there, how can they think "Mummy doesn't want me"?

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:15 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


And all those who oppose abortion, likewise. Your point ?

Hypocrites >:(


Same to you.

You are here now only because you were not aborted: "tumour and cell" >:(


And you are only here because YOU were not aborted.
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Postby The Tofu Islands » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:16 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:Hypocrites >:( Liberalism cannot advance to the degree of allowing people to have such great liberty that others are(negatively) affected.
Imagine the "poor" babies in heaven:

:( -- Mummy doesn't want me!

Congratulations, you win the “first appeal to emotion in a new abortion thread” award.

I would disagree with someone being negatively affected in abortion (apart from the woman who has to go through it), because an embryo or foetus is unable to feel pain or suffering.

Also, if aborted foetuses go to heaven, why are you so insistent on keeping them here? If they are aborted, they have a free ticket to heaven without having to go through all the irritations of life.

Eternal Life with God wrote:You are here now only because you were not aborted: "tumour and cell" >:(

I’m here because my mother did not choose to abort me.

That doesn’t mean I should believe that she shouldn’t have the choice.
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Postby Cabra West » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:18 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


Yes, and some of us wish we had been. Your point being?
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Postby Nodinia » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:20 am

I make the following pronouncement -

This Thread Will End Well

Please carry on.

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Postby Cabra West » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:20 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:Hypocrites >:( Liberalism cannot advance to the degree of allowing people to have such great liberty that others are(negatively) affected.
Imagine the "poor" babies in heaven:

:( -- Mummy doesn't want me!


Yes, and growing up that mummy didn't want me and still doesn't want me, that having me made her life hell and she's in turn making mine hell now, that's oh so much better for all involved, is it?
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Postby The Future Kingdom » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:21 am

The public should STAY OUT OF IT its the womans right to decide to do abortion OR NOT




Look at it this way if the kid is born and the parents are broke as hell would you really want another starving person living?? i sure would not want that kid to suffer

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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:23 am

Cabra West wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


Yes, and some of us wish we had been. Your point being?

Why don't you commit suicide, then?Why even bother joining NS if you wish to die so much?
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Postby Barringtonia » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:26 am

Nodinia wrote:I make the following pronouncement -

This Thread Will End Well

Please carry on.


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Postby The Future Kingdom » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:26 am

Eternal Life with God wrote:
Cabra West wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


Yes, and some of us wish we had been. Your point being?

Why don't you commit suicide, then?Why even bother joining NS if you wish to die so much?


There is a difference between to commit suicide and abortion cause the baby isn't really alive till it leaves the mother (in my eyes anyways so think before u type

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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:27 am

The Tofu Islands wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:Hypocrites >:( Liberalism cannot advance to the degree of allowing people to have such great liberty that others are(negatively) affected.
Imagine the "poor" babies in heaven:

:( -- Mummy doesn't want me!

Congratulations, you win the “first appeal to emotion in a new abortion thread” award.

I would disagree with someone being negatively affected in abortion (apart from the woman who has to go through it), because an embryo or foetus is unable to feel pain or suffering.

Also, if aborted foetuses go to heaven, why are you so insistent on keeping them here? If they are aborted, they have a free ticket to heaven without having to go through all the irritations of life.

Eternal Life with God wrote:You are here now only because you were not aborted: "tumour and cell" >:(

I’m here because my mother did not choose to abort me.

That doesn’t mean I should believe that she shouldn’t have the choice.
In other words, you think she has the right and liberty to abort you, ma right so sacred Yeshua himself, George Washington, the Buddha, and indeed- Karl Marx himself worshipped
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Postby Eternal Life with God » Tue Feb 16, 2010 2:29 am

The Future Kingdom wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:
Cabra West wrote:
Eternal Life with God wrote:ALL those who support abortion were not aborted themselves >:(


Yes, and some of us wish we had been. Your point being?

Why don't you commit suicide, then?Why even bother joining NS if you wish to die so much?


There is a difference between to commit suicide and abortion cause the baby isn't really alive till it leaves the mother (in my eyes anyways so think before u type

What if it leaves the body before it has developed? Will it then be considered not alive, even when it really is alive?
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