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Do you back Mugabe's actions?

Yes
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22%
No
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Total votes : 73

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Franberry
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Mugabe is a murdering bastard

Postby Franberry » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:16 pm

The Daily Telegraph wrote:White-owned companies in Zimbabwe will be forced to hand control to black businessmen under laws reminiscent of those that led to the seizure of the nation's farms.

The regulations demand that companies, including foreign firms, hand over at least 51 per cent of ownership to "indigenous" Zimbabweans.

Thousands of businesses, including the operations of Barclays bank, Standard Chartered bank and mining company Rio Tinto, will be affected. They must submit their plans to comply by March 1. Owners who fail to comply will face jail sentences.

The regulations were passed by President Robert Mugabe's Zanu-PF party before the 2008 election in which the opposition Movement for Democratic Change won control of the legislature.

The rules were put on hold until supplementary regulations were drawn up by the government, which quietly published them last week.

While companies have five years to comply, the effects will be felt long before then.

Indigenous Zimbabweans are defined as anyone who was "disadvantaged by unfair discrimination on the grounds of his or her race and any descendant of such person" before independence in 1980.

It means white Zimbabweans are excluded, and the position of Zimbabwean Asians is open to question.

Whites are barred from some sectors altogether, including agriculture, retail and transport, as well as barbers and beauty parlours. Harare's business community was left in shock by the development. One banker said: "This is absolute madness."

A fuel trader said: "These regulations are theft of any business in which whites have an interest; it's just like the farms."

Nick Cobban, a spokesman for Rio Tinto, described the regulations as "draconian and unworkable". The company operates a diamond mine in Zimbabwe that it considers has potential for expansion but has not developed "partly because of the uncertainty".

Alistair Smith, director of media relations for Barclays Group, said the firm was "considering the implications".

Daniel Ndlela, an eminent regional economist said: "There will be no foreign investment into Zimbabwe. Why would anyone come into Zimbabwe with $100 and be left with $49?"

It is not clear exactly how the 51 per cent stake is supposed to be acquired.

The law has plunged Zimbabwe's coalition government into crisis. Morgan Tsvangirai, the leader of the Movement for Democratic Change and prime minister, told The Daily Telegraph the move had been made without his knowledge.

"They were published without due process and in contravention of the global political agreement [which set up the coalition] and constitution of Zimbabwe and are therefore null and void," he said.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Mug ... z0fGdFenj0

Mugabe continues with his tyrannical and corrupt policies, which spread misery further through all of the citizens of Zimbabwe. It is clear that he has driven his country to ruin after taking it by force through his Maoist insurgent group. This is further evidence that these types of policies do not work.

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Maurepas
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:17 pm

Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....

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Postby Yootopia » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:19 pm

Franberry wrote:Mugabe continues with his tyrannical and corrupt policies, which spread misery further through all of the citizens of Zimbabwe. It is clear that he has driven his country to ruin after taking it by force through his Maoist insurgent group.

No, ZANU won the election in Zimbabwe-Rhodesia... RF or ZIPRA could've won, they just didn't.
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Franberry
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Postby Franberry » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:20 pm

Maurepas wrote:Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....

Oh no I'm biased against shooting people without a trial, repressing free speech, destroying the economy, ect.

how horrible!
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:20 pm

Maurepas wrote:Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....

I see nothing but a fair, reasonable OP, that looks at the story from all possible points. ;)
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Postby ChevyRocks » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:21 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Franberry wrote:Mugabe continues with his tyrannical and corrupt policies, which spread misery further through all of the citizens of Zimbabwe. It is clear that he has driven his country to ruin after taking it by force through his Maoist insurgent group.

No, ZANU won the election in Zimbabwe-Rhodesia... RF or ZIPRA could've won, they just didn't.


Except it was actually UANC that won the elections when it was Zimbabwe-Rhodesia.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:22 pm

Franberry wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....

Oh no I'm biased against shooting people without a trial, repressing free speech, destroying the economy, ect.

how horrible!

Its mostly the name calling of anyone who disagrees with you, and the big "Super Rhodesia", but, hey, whatever you say...

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:22 pm

Maurepas wrote:Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....


Because the last thread was closed, since it didn't have any argument in the OP.

Whattaya want, a news report?
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:23 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....


Because the last thread was closed, since it didn't have any argument in the OP.

Whattaya want, a news report?

Id like a little less name-calling and Dick-waving, but thats just me, ;)

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Postby Franberry » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:24 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Im no Mugabe fan...But there's something Biased going on with this thread....


Because the last thread was closed, since it didn't have any argument in the OP.

Whattaya want, a news report?

I provided comment in the OP, it was previously closed for not offering any comment in the OP. Obviously there are some communists in this thread that would like it better if there was no comment on anything ever.
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Postby Questers » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:26 pm

Yootopia wrote:
Franberry wrote:Mugabe continues with his tyrannical and corrupt policies, which spread misery further through all of the citizens of Zimbabwe. It is clear that he has driven his country to ruin after taking it by force through his Maoist insurgent group.

No, ZANU won the election in Zimbabwe-Rhodesia... RF or ZIPRA could've won, they just didn't.
That's not really true.

(1) ZIPRA wasn't a political party, it was the military arm of ZAPU, so no, they couldn't have won.

(2) The first election after the Internal Settlement was won by Abel Muzorewa's United African National Council. This was declared a free and fair election by external observers with no rigging but wasn't accepted by the UN because ZAPU and ZANU were banned from taking part (ostensibly because it was an Internal Settlement, which wasn't allowed.)

(3) In the 2nd election, ZANLA thugs went around with AKs "persuading" people to vote for ZANLA.

Sadly, a UN Resolution backed by Communist third world countries such as China, one of the very nations supplying Mugabe, declared the Internal Settlement illegal.
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Postby New Ziedrich » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:27 pm

What's with the poll?
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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:28 pm

Let me try and summon up some sympathy for Barclays bank. No, it's no good I can't do it.

Honestly, it just sounds like he's seizing the property of multinationals, and I can't imagine that there is much of anything left to grab. Anyway, the faster he completely collapses Zimbabwe the better, it's not like it can be fixed at this point. And it's not like Chavez doesn't pull this shit all the time either.

Mind you he's touched a third rail here (stealing from Sharkleys) so I've no doubt there will be all sorts of outrage about this.
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Postby Aznakayevo » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:29 pm

I'm a communist and believe Mugabe is a murdering fuck. The poll is extremely biased, for you know nothing of communism.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:29 pm

Maurepas wrote:Id like a little less name-calling and Dick-waving, but thats just me, ;)


Then I think it's time you asked yourself why you frequent this forum.
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Postby Hydesland » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:29 pm

I quite like Mugabe, I think he is one of the better leaders out there.

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Franberry
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Postby Franberry » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:What's with the poll?

Measuring support for people like Mugabe in NSG.
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Postby ChevyRocks » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 pm

Lacadaemon wrote:Let me try and summon up some sympathy for Barclays bank. No, it's no good I can't do it.

Honestly, it just sounds like he's seizing the property of multinationals


If you'd actually read it, you'd know that he's actually seizing the property of citizens of Zimbabwe and redistributing it to his friends.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 pm

Hydesland wrote:I quite like Mugabe, I think he is one of the better leaders out there.


Better than Bush, anyway. :p
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Id like a little less name-calling and Dick-waving, but thats just me, ;)


Then I think it's time you asked yourself why you frequent this forum.

touché

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Postby Blitzkrenia » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 pm

New Ziedrich wrote:What's with the poll?

The poll is just there to annoy communists, I guess.
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Postby Yootopia » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:30 pm

Questers wrote:Why wasn't a UANC victory enough for the West?

Because some of us are into democratic elections where parties aren't banned outright?
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Postby Lacadaemon » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:31 pm

Hydesland wrote:I quite like Mugabe, I think he is one of the better leaders out there.


It's the moustache. Very few leaders can pull the toothbrush look off these days.
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Postby Franberry » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:31 pm

Aznakayevo wrote:I'm a communist and believe Mugabe is a murdering fuck. The poll is extremely biased, for you know nothing of communism.

I think you're the one that doesn't know much about communism, are you 15 and getting angry at your teacher?
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Postby Barringtonia » Thu Feb 11, 2010 4:31 pm

It's all the Queen's fault, he used to be all friendly and smiles and then she snubbed him back in the 80's and he started hating on Britain and the white man,

So blame the Queen, that racist old moo-cow.
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