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Disturbing trend of bleach for Autism reported in Britain.

Postby The Hobbesian Metaphysician » Mon Nov 23, 2015 4:54 pm

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Autism: Potentially lethal bleach 'cure' feared to have spread to Britain

Police have been urged to investigate the first suspected UK case of a parent giving their child industrial strength bleach as a “cure” for autism.

Thames Valley officers have received a complaint that a young mother was using doses of MMS or “Miracle Mineral Solution” on her young son who has autism.

MMS involves giving children two chemicals – sodium chlorite and hydrochloric acid – which combine to form bleach. It is usually sold to be taken orally, but parents are also told to use it as an enema. The potentially lethal mixture is being touted as a cure for autism, cancer, HIV, malaria and Alzheimer’s by the US-based Genesis II Church.

The organisation, which describes itself as “non-religious church of health and healing”, claims MMS is no different from giving sacrament in church services. Medical experts have rubbished the healing claims made for the product.

The cure has already been linked to one death and there are several reported cases of those taking it suffering serious injuries. It was banned in Canada after it caused a life-threatening reaction in an elderly man. The US Food and Drug Administration warns that the product “used as directed, produces an industrial bleach that can cause serious harm to health”.

The dangers of 'Miracle Mineral Solution'

MMS, or Miracle Mineral Solution, is quackery of the worst order. The name was invented by US entrepreneur Jim Humble who claims it helped him recover from a bad bout of malaria in South America.

MMS is not approved for the treatment of any disease anywhere in the world and, according to the US Environmental Protection Agency, chronic exposure to small doses of chlorine dioxide could cause damage to brain development.

In the UK, It falls to the Food Standards Authority (FSA) to police the product as it is classified as a food supplement. It first warned in 2010 of the threat from MMS, telling people to consult their doctors if they had consumed it and felt unwell. The product could cause severe nausea, vomiting and diarrhoea, potentially leading to dehydration and reduced blood pressure. If the solution was diluted less than instructed, it could damage the gut and red blood cells.

A similar product known as Chlorine Dioxide Solution (CDS) should also be avoided.
When mixed with fruit juice, as recommended, it acidifes to produce chlorine dioxide – a potentially lethal bleach used for stripping textiles.

Last month a US vendor was jailed for four years over MMS in the first prosecution of its type. In the UK, the Food Standards Agency warned that MMS should not be taken as it can cause vomiting and diarrhoea as well as damage to the gut.

Despite this, the product is widely available on the internet, and social media groups which promote it have more than 1,000 members.

Autism activist Emma Dalmayne, who infiltrated one group, reported the case to police after discovering evidence that a mother living in the UK was using the product herself as well as giving it to her young son. It is the first suspected case in Britain.

“As a parent of a autistic children, I know the desperation to make things better for your child, but it’s unbelievable that these people are using an unscientific, unproven and unregulated product on their child,” Ms Dalmayne said.

“The fact their children get ill [as a result of MMS] and are in pain should be enough to get them to stop immediately. Sadly, they don’t.”

She said people joining the websites and seeking to buy MMS are warned by the organisers not to speak to health professionals or relatives about what they are doing. Thames Valley Police declined to comment on the case, but confirmed that a complaint had been received.

Ms Dalmayne criticised the slow response of regulators to the threat from MMS. “The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and Trading Standards are not acting swiftly enough to shut down the suppliers, which is why, I, as a member of the public do what I do.” Autism groups have also criticised regulators for failing to shut down websites selling the product.

Fellow activist Fiona O’Leary said: “We want the MHRA to tackle this situation like their colleagues in Ireland who acted swiftly when hearing about establishments selling MMS.”

The spread of the MMS cure is troubling regulators. Five months ago Surrey Police and Trading Standards officers interrupted a Farnham meeting of the Genesis II Church after it was advertised that MMS would be supplied at the meeting.

A spokeswoman for the MHRA said: “While the contents of MMS are a chemical, it has no proven, or conceivable, health benefit and is not a medicinal product.”

The Food Standards Agency said: “Our advice is that MMS is not safe and should not be sold as a supplement. MMS is commonly used as bleach and can be harmful.”


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So it appears it couldn't be confined to just the U.S, but it has in fact spread. Now if you remember from the last thread many parents administered this snake oil in the form of an enema. Not sure if the ones in Britain are doing that or actually shoving it down their kids throats literally. So yeah if you feel like giving your kids bleach then maybe you ought to not be parents anymore. Look I get that many parents are desperate, but those not cognizant enough to realize these ex-scientologists are playing you might need to be removed from their children. So what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?
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Postby American Imperial Union » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:10 pm

I think it's sad that the medical field isn't providing sufficient and more humane remedies than bleach.

It says a lot about the poor state of mental health solutions available in America and elsewhere for these diseases.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:14 pm

Question: is there normally a need for chemicals like HCl to be available to ordinary buyers? Because I can't really think of any non-laboratory applications.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:15 pm

We really do need to get around to teaching psychology in schools.
Or at least a diversity class. We do religious education along similar rationales. Perhaps it should expand.
Provided we force them to include an andro and gynocentric view of sexism, and a neutral view of race relations, religion, and mental illness/neurodiversity, we'd be better off. Sexuality can probably be left for sex ed. Perhaps gender too. Or perhaps sex ed could form part of the class along with sexuality. dunno.
Getting the curriculum sorted would likely be a fucking nightmare though.

American Imperial Union wrote:I think it's sad that the medical field isn't providing sufficient and more humane remedies than bleach.

It says a lot about the poor state of mental health solutions available in America and elsewhere for these diseases.


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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:16 pm

American Imperial Union wrote:I think it's sad that the medical field isn't providing sufficient and more humane remedies than bleach.

It says a lot about the poor state of mental health solutions available in America and elsewhere for these diseases.


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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:18 pm

Vassenor wrote:Question: is there normally a need for chemicals like HCl to be available to ordinary buyers? Because I can't really think of any non-laboratory applications.

It has application to various cleaning tasks.
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Ostroeuropa wrote:We really do need to get around to teaching psychology in schools.
Or at least a diversity class. We do religious education along similar rationales. Perhaps it should expand.
Provided we force them to include an andro and gynocentric view of sexism, and a neutral view of race relations, religion, and mental illness/neurodiversity, we'd be better off. Sexuality can probably be left for sex ed. Perhaps gender too. Or perhaps sex ed could form part of the class along with sexuality. dunno.
Getting the curriculum sorted would likely be a fucking nightmare though.

American Imperial Union wrote:I think it's sad that the medical field isn't providing sufficient and more humane remedies than bleach.

It says a lot about the poor state of mental health solutions available in America and elsewhere for these diseases.


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What I mean is that given the poor state of health care in this country, it's not surprising that parents turn to other and more affordable "treatments" for the illnesses that their loved ones are suffering from. Instead of getting proper treatment from a mental health professional.
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This is why Jenny McCarthy should probably meet the guillotine...
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American Imperial Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:We really do need to get around to teaching psychology in schools.
Or at least a diversity class. We do religious education along similar rationales. Perhaps it should expand.
Provided we force them to include an andro and gynocentric view of sexism, and a neutral view of race relations, religion, and mental illness/neurodiversity, we'd be better off. Sexuality can probably be left for sex ed. Perhaps gender too. Or perhaps sex ed could form part of the class along with sexuality. dunno.
Getting the curriculum sorted would likely be a fucking nightmare though.



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What I mean is that given the poor state of health care in this country, it's not surprising that parents turn to other and more affordable "treatments" for the illnesses that their loved ones are suffering from. Instead of getting proper treatment from a mental health professional.


There is no cure for autism, and there's hardly a treatment in any sort of traditional sense. You really just have to learn to live with it, from my understanding of it.
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Vassenor wrote:
American Imperial Union wrote:I think it's sad that the medical field isn't providing sufficient and more humane remedies than bleach.

It says a lot about the poor state of mental health solutions available in America and elsewhere for these diseases.


Autism isn't really a condition you can medicate away. Trust me.

This is correct. Autism is a field of intense study, but the condition (or rather, the family of conditions) doesn't have just a single, simple etiology. It's going to be quite some time before we've licked it.

Meanwhile, well-meaning but uninformed parents, desperate for a solution, are being swindled by amoral scumbags selling them bleach as a cure. You want someone to be mad at, be mad at them, not the medical field.
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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:This is why Jenny McCarthy should probably meet the guillotine...

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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:This is why Jenny McCarthy should probably meet the guillotine...

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Postby Pandeeria » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:23 pm

Why the fuck do people think giving their kids bleach will cure their autism?
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Vassenor wrote:
American Imperial Union wrote:I think it's sad that the medical field isn't providing sufficient and more humane remedies than bleach.

It says a lot about the poor state of mental health solutions available in America and elsewhere for these diseases.

Autism isn't really a condition you can medicate away. Trust me.

Indeed. Autism is directly linked to how the brain works, autistic brains tend to be physically different from a regular neurotypical brain. Parents who poison their children with bleach because of a money making scheme invented by a morally bankrupt American have significantly worse mental problems than their autistic offspring. They should all be arrested for deliberate child abuse, because there is no excuse for such brazen idiocy.
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Postby Raktio » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:24 pm

Dahwut? is people really that stupid?


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Postby Second Blazing » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:25 pm

How dare you imply that my homeopathic healer lied to me, he isn't getting rich off of other people's suffering like big medicine is. He barely gets by, I mean his BMW is 2 years old, think about him and his family when you call them frauds.
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Postby Utceforp » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:25 pm

What I don't understand is why someone would come up with this in the first place. I can't imagine someone out-of-the-blue deciding that bleach would cure autism (though I can understand why exceedingly stupid parents could be convinced to use this "MMS" by sufficiently impressive-sounding pseudoscience and such), but I equally can't imagine someone deciding that the best snake-oil to claim cures autism in order to scam people would be bleach.
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Vassenor wrote:Autism isn't really a condition you can medicate away. Trust me.

Indeed. Autism is directly linked to how the brain works, autistic brains tend to be physically different from a regular neurotypical brain. Parents who poison their children with bleach because of a money making scheme invented by a morally bankrupt American have significantly worse mental problems than their autistic offspring. They should all be arrested for deliberate child abuse, because there is no excuse for such brazen idiocy.


Being morally bankrupt and greedy isn't specific to the United states or its nationals. So why specify nationality when ithe is clearly irrelevant to the situation?
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Postby Videssos » Mon Nov 23, 2015 5:28 pm

Oh dear.
It seems that yet again, people think that autism is some kind of illness, or something that needs "curing" or treating. All it is, is being different.
I for one, am perfectly fine with Asperger's, and I'd rather not have anyone attacking me with bleach. :p
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Hurdegaryp wrote:Indeed. Autism is directly linked to how the brain works, autistic brains tend to be physically different from a regular neurotypical brain. Parents who poison their children with bleach because of a money making scheme invented by a morally bankrupt American have significantly worse mental problems than their autistic offspring. They should all be arrested for deliberate child abuse, because there is no excuse for such brazen idiocy.


Being morally bankrupt and greedy isn't specific to the United states or its nationals. So why specify nationality when ithe is clearly irrelevant to the situation?


Why do you care in the first place? Did pointing out that the guy who made MMS is American trigger an inner defense mechanism?
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:palm: I've seen shit like this in Africa, but Britain?
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I almost thought this was something suggested by edgelords who use the term autistic for anything they don't like, but some con artist was really fucked in the head enough to suggest something like this?
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Pandeeria wrote:
American Imperial Union wrote:
Being morally bankrupt and greedy isn't specific to the United states or its nationals. So why specify nationality when ithe is clearly irrelevant to the situation?


Why do you care in the first place? Did pointing out that the guy who made MMS is American trigger an inner defense mechanism?

No. But If I go out if my way to specify a characteristic of someone like race or nationality when talking about some douchebaggy stuff that individual did, it kind of gives off the impression of "all x are y" kind of deal.
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Liberty and Linguistics wrote:This is why Jenny McCarthy should probably meet the guillotine...

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Internationalist Bastard wrote::palm: I've seen shit like this in Africa, but Britain?

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