South Carolina cop manhandles student

[Novorobo]

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... oom-arrest

In a nutshell, a student was told to leave her seat and refused to do so; the cop flipped the desk over with her in it.

It's not a pretty sight, but at the same time I'm kind of left wondering how else he was supposed to get her out of that seat. At some point kids like these need to accept the need to obey the police.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I'm in the camp of, girl had to get out of her seat.

[Galloism]

Seems that could have been handled better.

I would have asked the principle for a hand, picked up the desk - student and all - and carted her out of the room.

Funny things happen when two people pick up a desk where you're sitting. either you get up - in which case now you've extricated the desk from the issue, or they stubbornly sit there and you just cart them out of the room.

Either way, you've resolved the situation without attacking someone.

[Neutraligon]

Seems that could have been handled better.

I would have asked the principle for a hand, picked up the desk - student and all - and carted her out of the room.

Funny things happen when two people pick up a desk where you're sitting. either you get up - in which case now you've extricated the desk from the issue, or they stubbornly sit there and you just cart them out of the room.

Either way, you've resolved the situation without attacking someone.

Yeah I was wondering why she wasn't simply carted out of the room desk and all. Not only would it have gotten her either out of the room or out of the seat, it would also have made her look rather silly.

[Jamzmania]

Girl should have got outta the seat.

[Neutraligon]

Girl should have got outta the seat.

Yes she should have, but she refused, now what is the teacher/officer supposed to do?

[Jamzmania]

Girl should have got outta the seat.

Yes she should have, but she refused, now what is the teacher/officer supposed to do?

Get her out the seat. Which is what appears to have happened.

[Galloism]

Seems that could have been handled better.

I would have asked the principle for a hand, picked up the desk - student and all - and carted her out of the room.

Funny things happen when two people pick up a desk where you're sitting. either you get up - in which case now you've extricated the desk from the issue, or they stubbornly sit there and you just cart them out of the room.

Either way, you've resolved the situation without attacking someone.

Yeah I was wondering why she wasn't simply carted out of the room desk and all. Not only would it have gotten her either out of the room or out of the seat, it would also have made her look rather silly.

I've actually done that to a student before. Had them carted out of the room desk and all.

When the other students start chuckling, it's a powerful motivator to moderate their behavior in the future.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Girl should have got outta the seat.

Yes she should have, but she refused, now what is the teacher/officer supposed to do?

As someone who has been roughly escorted by police many times as a kid, he should have roughly escorted her.

[Conserative Morality]

There's such a thing called 'appropriate force'. This seems over the line - he goddamn flips her desk.

[FutureAmerica]

What's the big deal, she won't do it again.

[Galloism]

There's such a thing called 'appropriate force'. This seems over the line - he goddamn flips her desk.

Doctrine of appropriate force is for pinko liberals.

[Conserative Morality]

Doctrine of appropriate force is for pinko liberals.

Force is apparently a y/n question, rather than a spectrum.

[Internationalist Bastard]

There's such a thing called 'appropriate force'. This seems over the line - he goddamn flips her desk.

See, I can agree with that, but still, he had the right to be forceful. Here he risked an injury so I'm not gonna side with him completly

[Eastern Equestria]

The girl was being a little cunt, but that clearly doesn't excuse the brutish way in which the situation was handled by the officer.

[Uxupox]

She should have gotten out of her seat and the situation would have been avoided.

[Novorobo]

Yeah I was wondering why she wasn't simply carted out of the room desk and all. Not only would it have gotten her either out of the room or out of the seat, it would also have made her look rather silly.

I've actually done that to a student before. Had them carted out of the room desk and all.

When the other students start chuckling, it's a powerful motivator to moderate their behavior in the future.

That one might depend on the classroom and who your fellow students are. I can think of teenagers who would probably have thought of her as some kind of badass rebel or whatever.

Rather than flipping it 180, would it have been an option to flip it 90, lift it, and then put the handcuffs on before she can get back in?

Also, why can't the teachers be authorized to do this rather than leaving it to cops?

[Yedmnrutika Gavr]

so many things wrong with this story. its her property not the teachers why would she give him her phone. just put it up and dont use it or leave the school if u cant follow the rules. it so strange to me. anyways the cop was really rough and she committed no crime. he should not be a cop with these kind of psychological power issues.

"Fields has a history of alleged aggression during arrests. According to federal court papers a man named Carlos Martin sued Fields for pepper spraying him and roughing up his wife after he pulled his car into a parking lot playing loud music. The suit ended in Fields’s favor."

[Neutraligon]

There's such a thing called 'appropriate force'. This seems over the line - he goddamn flips her desk.

See, I can agree with that, but still, he had the right to be forceful. Here he risked an injury so I'm not gonna side with him completly

No one is not saying he did not have the right to be forceful, physically removing her seat and all is forceful. What we are saying is that he used completely unnecessary force, a problem that seems to be persistent in the US.

[Neutraligon]

so many things wrong with this story. its her property not the teachers why would she give him her phone. just put it up and dont use it or leave the school if u cant follow the rules. it so strange to me. anyways the cop was really rough and she committed no crime. he should not be a cop with these kind of psychological power issues.

"Fields has a history of alleged aggression during arrests. According to federal court papers a man named Carlos Martin sued Fields for pepper spraying him and roughing up his wife after he pulled his car into a parking lot playing loud music. The suit ended in Fields’s favor."

One of the common ways a teacher can use to prevent further disruptions in a class is to take away the item causing the disruption until the end of class. Upon which it is returned.

[Jamzmania]

See, I can agree with that, but still, he had the right to be forceful. Here he risked an injury so I'm not gonna side with him completly

No one is not saying he did not have the right to be forceful, physically removing her seat and all is forceful. What we are saying is that he used completely unnecessary force, a problem that seems to be persistent in the US.

He was completely justified in his actions. The girl was not cooperating and he used the force necessary to effect the arrest. It's not like he started beating the shit out of her or anything.

[Internationalist Bastard]

See, I can agree with that, but still, he had the right to be forceful. Here he risked an injury so I'm not gonna side with him completly

No one is not saying he did not have the right to be forceful, physically removing her seat and all is forceful. What we are saying is that he used completely unnecessary force, a problem that seems to be persistent in the US.

I blame tat really on a tougher stance on crime. Used to be a kid did something wrong, a cop gave em a talking too, maybe a little community service. No it's all by the books, gotta make an arrest blahblah blah. I think it made cops more aggressive

[Neutraligon]

No one is not saying he did not have the right to be forceful, physically removing her seat and all is forceful. What we are saying is that he used completely unnecessary force, a problem that seems to be persistent in the US.

I blame tat really on a tougher stance on crime. Used to be a kid did something wrong, a cop gave em a talking too, maybe a little community service. No it's all by the books, gotta make an arrest blahblah blah. I think it made cops more aggressive

I think there are a variety of reasons, including the fact that cops are expected to be tough on crime. Another is that their job is somewhat...convoluted. They are expected to be nanny and tough cop all in one.

[Neutraligon]

No one is not saying he did not have the right to be forceful, physically removing her seat and all is forceful. What we are saying is that he used completely unnecessary force, a problem that seems to be persistent in the US.

He was completely justified in his actions. The girl was not cooperating and he used the force necessary to effect the arrest. It's not like he started beating the shit out of her or anything.

No he used excess force, the type of force that can easily cause serious or permanent injury. Appropriate force would have been picking up the chair and removing it from the classroom. It is rather scary that you think this is appropriate force to a student who was not being violent.

[Kanadorika]

Could the situation have been handled better? Of course. Was the girl still acting shitty? Hell yes. I've heard a few people mention that the class itself should have exited the classroom and left the girl in it.