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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Nov 27, 2016 2:17 am

I don't post on this thread as much as I used to so I don't have much of a stake in sorting stuff out and keeping it open. Plus my brand of platinum shitposting probably isn't conducive to safe spaces and cuddle corners.

You can fight it out for who takes over. Preferably in a series of deceptively difficult and humiliating challenges.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun Nov 27, 2016 4:05 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Plus my brand of platinum shitposting probably isn't conducive to safe spaces and cuddle corners.


This would actually be a good reason to be the OP of the next one.

This is not meant to be a safe space after all.
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Postby Philjia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:21 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Plus my brand of platinum shitposting probably isn't conducive to safe spaces and cuddle corners.


This would actually be a good reason to be the OP of the next one.

This is not meant to be a safe space after all.


One can still present the truth diplomatically, though.
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Postby Dionysian Lycanthrophy » Sun Nov 27, 2016 6:56 am

I have immense respect for those with gender dysphoria, and those who commit to the procedure of changing their gender. I do not share this same respect for Tumblrinas nor attention seeking opportunists.
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Postby Noraika » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:24 am

Dionysian Lycanthrophy wrote:I have immense respect for those with gender dysphoria, and those who commit to the procedure of changing their gender. I do not share this same respect for Tumblrinas nor attention seeking opportunists.

Thank you kindly, although there is a bit of a nit-pick really quickly.

A transgender person's gender doesn't change. They can, although not all do, change their bodies, or otherwise present themselves, to reflect their gender and alleviate dysphoria. With that said, none of these is a change in the person's gender. A transgirl's already a girl before she transitions,, a tranboy's already a boy before he transitions. Even if they don't transition that does not change that reality. :)

Tumblr is seperate from the transgender community at-large, so I don't see the point in bringing it up, but I would say it'd be remiss if we made base assumptions of character on 30 million people.

Thus says Nora! The self-appointed Queen of Nitpicks. Although, in all honesty, welcome! :p
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Postby Torsiedelle » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:27 am

Eeeeeew, Tumblr.

> Says the Tori who hangs out on /b/ and /pol/ for lulz.

I think I'll see a local therapist this week and see if they can help me out.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:55 am

Philjia wrote:
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This would actually be a good reason to be the OP of the next one.

This is not meant to be a safe space after all.


One can still present the truth diplomatically, though.


What's this "diplomacy"? Can I torrent it? :p
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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:11 am

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If DI doesn't want to, I'm willing to.


Likewise.


I guess we get to fight to the death over it now?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:15 am

Fabulous Rainicorns wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Likewise.


I guess we get to fight to the death over it now?


I honestly think its had its day but if you'd like sure go ahead and knock yerselves out.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:41 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fabulous Rainicorns wrote:
I guess we get to fight to the death over it now?


I honestly think its had its day but if you'd like sure go ahead and knock yerselves out.

All I know is I may be active enough, but not a good person with formatting the OP with all it's links and what not.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 5:21 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I honestly think its had its day but if you'd like sure go ahead and knock yerselves out.

All I know is I may be active enough, but not a good person with formatting the OP with all it's links and what not.


Really, all that needs to be done is to copypaste the code from this OP to the new one.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:06 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:All I know is I may be active enough, but not a good person with formatting the OP with all it's links and what not.


Really, all that needs to be done is to copypaste the code from this OP to the new one.

I guess I could do it then if the need is required.
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Postby Fabulous Rainicorns » Sun Nov 27, 2016 7:31 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:All I know is I may be active enough, but not a good person with formatting the OP with all it's links and what not.


Really, all that needs to be done is to copypaste the code from this OP to the new one.


Probably needs more updates too. I know Geanna had some planned.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:26 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Really, all that needs to be done is to copypaste the code from this OP to the new one.

I guess I could do it then if the need is required.


I can do it.

Fabulous Rainicorns wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Really, all that needs to be done is to copypaste the code from this OP to the new one.


Probably needs more updates too. I know Geanna had some planned.


Updates can come after the new thread is established.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:03 am

If no-one wants to enact the Fuhrerprinzip then you could always create a new nation just for maintaining OP and share password so you're not in a situation where if an individual leaves the forum there's a kerfuffle over who takes over.

Look at me sitting over here being helpful when there's science to be done!
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:11 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:If no-one wants to enact the Fuhrerprinzip then you could always create a new nation just for maintaining OP and share password so you're not in a situation where if an individual leaves the forum there's a kerfuffle over who takes over.

Look at me sitting over here being helpful when there's science to be done!


That seems like a good idea on paper but I thought the mods tended to frown on nation sharing.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:21 am

Vassenor wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If no-one wants to enact the Fuhrerprinzip then you could always create a new nation just for maintaining OP and share password so you're not in a situation where if an individual leaves the forum there's a kerfuffle over who takes over.

Look at me sitting over here being helpful when there's science to be done!


That seems like a good idea on paper but I thought the mods tended to frown on nation sharing.


Oh. If not, you guys will need to find an individual with experience of comprising posts full of links and lists. Dunno if I can think of anyone...
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:59 am

Vassenor wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If no-one wants to enact the Fuhrerprinzip then you could always create a new nation just for maintaining OP and share password so you're not in a situation where if an individual leaves the forum there's a kerfuffle over who takes over.

Look at me sitting over here being helpful when there's science to be done!


That seems like a good idea on paper but I thought the mods tended to frown on nation sharing.


It can mix up warning records. Not something you particularly want :p
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:05 am

I was the OP of an F7 church once, back when those were a hip thing. Plus, I've already got the code for the current OP saved in a thing in notepad.
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Postby Yootxtlalkaan » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:36 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
That seems like a good idea on paper but I thought the mods tended to frown on nation sharing.


It can mix up warning records. Not something you particularly want :p

if it's purely for maintaining the o.p., that shouldn't be an issue, though, right? :hug:
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Nov 28, 2016 7:37 am

Yootxtlalkaan wrote:
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It can mix up warning records. Not something you particularly want :p

if it's purely for maintaining the o.p., that shouldn't be an issue, though, right? :hug:


I cannot confirm that it won't be an issue. I mean, probably, yes, but you'll never know what happens.
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:15 pm

I feel if this thred is remade more than just copy pasting the op would need to be done. I for one don't think this thread shouldn't be remade its at times a greater hindrance and enabler than any kind of help.
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Postby Torsiedelle » Mon Nov 28, 2016 12:21 pm

It works for me to ramble about stuff, and to see what other trans persons or thread participants have on their minds.

I have little opinion on how the thread should/would be remade, though. I'm more often than not a lurker.
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Postby Philjia » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:04 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:I feel if this thred is remade more than just copy pasting the op would need to be done. I for one don't think this thread shouldn't be remade its at times a greater hindrance and enabler than any kind of help.


Do you have any good ideas?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:38 pm

Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:I feel if this thred is remade more than just copy pasting the op would need to be done. I for one don't think this thread shouldn't be remade its at times a greater hindrance and enabler than any kind of help.


Well, if the thread gets chatty, or just "generally nasty", you can report it. I (and other mods) are not always lurking here to steer things, sometimes we need to be pointed out the patterns :)
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