NATION

PASSWORD

[PASSED] Toxic Heavy Metals Act

A carefully preserved record of the most notable World Assembly debates.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Bad Libertopia
Secretary
 
Posts: 30
Founded: Apr 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bad Libertopia » Wed May 18, 2016 10:00 pm

Sierra Lyricalia wrote:"Christ on a bicycle, does anyone read these things, ever?!? At no point does it say you have to tank your economy to stop using these metals; all you have to do is keep them from getting into your ecosystem and your workers' bodies, and do research so you can phase them out when it's economically feasible to do so.

Yes, we read them--and we imagine how drastically different life would be if we tried to comply. In our nation, workers get paid EVERY DAY in the form of silver and gold, so it would tank our economy to keep these metals out of worker's hands.

Yes, we read them--and there's no list of heavy metals and no exemption for monetary use or an exemption of gold and silver.

What's the next step here, I wonder? To declare our National Treasury an international biohazard site, cordon it off and have the WA come in and "clean up" all our gold and silver reserves?
Former WA member nation. Resigned in protest of impossible compliance requirements of GAR #369. Our former ambassador is exiled on the CastAway Island of Wilson.

User avatar
United States of 1776
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 7
Founded: Feb 08, 2016
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby United States of 1776 » Thu May 19, 2016 6:50 am

What is the overall agenda of the W.A.? Is it to grow membership to ensure that voices can be heard and respected or is it to have the majority enter into each nation's sovereign right to administer it's people equally and fairly. This legislation and others like it will not support increased membership to this forum. What are we striving for? Thank you for your time.

User avatar
Frustrated Franciscans
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 492
Founded: Aug 01, 2006
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Frustrated Franciscans » Thu May 19, 2016 10:00 am

United States of 1776 wrote:What are we striving for? Thank you for your time.


The sole purpose of the WA GA is to so annoy the delegates and representatives that they will spend more in the Stranger's Bar. In that aspect, it's very effective. :twisted:
Proud Member of the Tzorsland Puppet Federation

User avatar
Imperium Anglorum
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 12683
Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Thu May 19, 2016 10:30 am

Frustrated Franciscans wrote:
United States of 1776 wrote:What are we striving for? Thank you for your time.

The sole purpose of the WA GA is to so annoy the delegates and representatives that they will spend more in the Stranger's Bar. In that aspect, it's very effective. :twisted:

North: (hic!) I know I do it a lot! (hic!)

Author: 1 SC and 56+ GA resolutions
Maintainer: GA Passed Resolutions
Developer: Communiqué and InfoEurope
GenSec (24 Dec 2021 –); posts not official unless so indicated
Delegate for Europe
Elsie Mortimer Wellesley
Ideological Bulwark 285, WALL delegate
Twice-commended toxic villainous globalist kittehs

User avatar
Communist Republic of Obama bin Hitler
Civilian
 
Posts: 1
Founded: May 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Why ban?

Postby Communist Republic of Obama bin Hitler » Thu May 19, 2016 12:55 pm

I don't anything should be full on banned from everything. I think that certain dangerous things should have their use restricted. What are we going to learn from something if you can't even look at it or touch it or study it.

User avatar
Redneck Nation of America
Political Columnist
 
Posts: 4
Founded: May 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Redneck Nation of America » Thu May 19, 2016 3:40 pm

Hmmm. If you look at the nation that proposed this, Civil rights and political freedom are outlawed. I wonder what this means about the intentions of this act. Kind of looks like a way to put even more restrictions on people.

User avatar
Bad Libertopia
Secretary
 
Posts: 30
Founded: Apr 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bad Libertopia » Thu May 19, 2016 4:17 pm

OOC: As I've recently learned, there's often no consistency between what a player's NationStates country is doing, what they self-publish in their Factbook, and what their in-character ambassador says in the forums--and maybe there's even more levels of roleplay beyond that.
Former WA member nation. Resigned in protest of impossible compliance requirements of GAR #369. Our former ambassador is exiled on the CastAway Island of Wilson.

User avatar
Tinfect
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5235
Founded: Jul 04, 2014
Democratic Socialists

Postby Tinfect » Thu May 19, 2016 5:22 pm

Bad Libertopia wrote:OOC: As I've recently learned, there's often no consistency between what a player's NationStates country is doing, what they self-publish in their Factbook, and what their in-character ambassador says in the forums--and maybe there's even more levels of roleplay beyond that.



OOC:
Alright, let's get this straight since you've seem to have missed it since you've been here.
Quite a few people disregard NS Stats entirely, as NS Stats are some of the most batshit insane things around, thus, it is generally a good idea not to presume things about how a Nation RPs from their NS Stats. Factbooks can generally be trusted, I'm not sure where you've got the idea that they can't, but you're wrong. If you're referring to the disconnect between the way a country is described OOC, and how it is perceived IC, then you're taking it the wrong way.
Raslin Seretis, Imperial Diplomatic Envoy, He/Him
Tolarn Feren, Civil Oversight Representative, He/Him
Jasot Rehlan, Military Oversight Representative, She/Her


Bisexual, Transgender (She/Her), Native-American, and Actual CommunistTM.

Imperium Central News Network: EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL CITIZENS ARE TO PROCEED TO EVACUATION SITES IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: ALL FURTHER SUBSPACE SIGNALS AND SYSTEMS ARE TO BE DISABLED IMMEDIATELY | EMERGENCY ALERT: THE FOLLOWING SYSTEMS ARE ACCESS PROHIBITED BY STANDARD/BLACKOUT [Error: Format Unrecognized] | Indomitable Bastard #283
||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

User avatar
Ghostopolis
Bureaucrat
 
Posts: 55
Founded: Apr 08, 2013
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Ghostopolis » Thu May 19, 2016 6:03 pm

A nameless, unimpressive man dressed in a blazer quickly darts into the voting chamber, before being assured by a helpful gentleman that there is still a decent amount of time left to vote. Sighing in relief, the man continues to the recorders and hands an official a card marked with the official seal of Ghostopolis and signed by Ambassador Geist. The card simply states the following:

"As delegate of The Versutian Federation, I have cast my vote in favor of the resolution in question. I find the premise of the resolution unobjectionable, and I see no glaring holes or openings for unintended consequences, at least of the kind that would be overly concerning to me. Given my region's overwhelming vote in support, I have cast my vote accordingly."

User avatar
Bad Libertopia
Secretary
 
Posts: 30
Founded: Apr 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bad Libertopia » Thu May 19, 2016 6:51 pm

OOC: Where did I get that idea...ugh, again...
http://srwallenburg.weebly.com/east-wallenburg.html#people
Racial tensions between the human population and the Indevian population run high,

...versus...
https://forum.nationstates.net/posting.php?mode=quote&f=9&p=28695660
I know that for a long time since that factbook was last edited, Wallenburg has claimed that his population is not human

I find it confusing and frustrating, but I'm new here so I chalk it up to me not getting the multiple levels of RP that go on here--maybe there's a "forum factbook" that's separate from the "NS factbook", or maybe it's too much exposure to heavy metals. /OOC
Last edited by Bad Libertopia on Thu May 19, 2016 6:53 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Former WA member nation. Resigned in protest of impossible compliance requirements of GAR #369. Our former ambassador is exiled on the CastAway Island of Wilson.

User avatar
Wallenburg
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22878
Founded: Jan 30, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Wallenburg » Thu May 19, 2016 6:59 pm

Bad Libertopia wrote:OOC: Where did I get that idea...ugh, again...
http://srwallenburg.weebly.com/east-wallenburg.html#people
Racial tensions between the human population and the Indevian population run high,

...versus...
https://forum.nationstates.net/posting.php?mode=quote&f=9&p=28695660
I know that for a long time since that factbook was last edited, Wallenburg has claimed that his population is not human

I find it confusing and frustrating, but I'm new here so I chalk it up to me not getting the multiple levels of RP that go on here--maybe there's a "forum factbook" that's separate from the "NS factbook", or maybe it's too much exposure to heavy metals. /OOC

OOC: "Human", as it applies to my factbooks, does not refer to Homo sapiens.

I know, it's complicated.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

King of Snark, Real Piece of Work, Metabolizer of Oxygen, Old Man from The East Pacific, by the Malevolence of Her Infinite Terribleness Catherine Gratwick the Sole and True Claimant to the Bears Armed Vacancy, Protector of the Realm

User avatar
The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper
Diplomat
 
Posts: 607
Founded: Mar 05, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby The Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper » Fri May 20, 2016 3:44 am

Wrapper voted against the World Assembly Resolution "Toxic Heavy Metals Act".

ARI: Well now, since someone asked us privately for a comment on this, we may as well make our answer public. This resolution bears little resemblance to the proposal we helped the Kaboomlandian ambassador draft. And, while we believe this is worth legislating on, and some of the arguments against show that a few of our fellow ambassadors are having trouble with reading comprehension-- (Ahume whispers in his ear) --right, through no fault of their own, of course, we'll chalk it up to the universal translators, no doubt something's gotten lost in translation.... Where were we? Oh, yes, why did we vote against. As has been brought to our attention, this legislation in its final form is flawed, and while the Kaboomlandians put a lot of time and effort into this, erm, effort, the military opt-out clause, the lack of exemptions for less-toxic forms of these materials such as alloys and other insoluble forms, and some far-reaching statements in the preamble, to wit, very few toxic heavy metals bioaccumulate, yet the claim that "toxic heavy metals and their compounds steadily build up through food chains" overstates this case and implies that all toxic heavy metals bioaccumulate, not to mention a couple of minor grammatical nitpicks such as the misplaced comma in numbered clause 2, these were some of the reasons why we voted against this resolution. We do congratulate the Kaboomlandian delegation for all the work they put into this, as it is apparent this will pass with a comfortable margin, but we cannot in full conscience vote in favor of this proposal.
Last edited by Wrapper on Fri May 20, 2016 3:47 am, edited 1 time in total.
The General Assembly Delegation of the Puddle Jumping Wads of Wrapper:
-- Wad Ari Alaz, Wrapperian Ambassador to the WA; Author, SCR#200, GAR #300, GAR#361.
-- Wad Ahume Orliss-Dorcke, Deputy Ambassador; two-time Intergalactic Karaoke League champion.
-- Wad Dawei DeGoah, Ambassador Emeritus; deceased.
THE GA POSTS FROM THIS NATION ARE IN-CHARACTER AND SHOULD NEVER BE TAKEN AS MODERATOR RULINGS.

User avatar
Kaboomlandia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7395
Founded: May 22, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri May 20, 2016 6:28 am

I S L E wrote:
The Community of ISLE presents an argument by the Department of Material Science and Engineering:

The Department of Material Science and Engineering at The Community of ISLE applauds the, albeit late, recognition of the danger of unintentional exposure to heavy metals.

However, The DMSE encourages the original authors and editors to read their own legislation, as in its current state, this bill punishes poorer nations that cannot afford to dispose of toxic metals and inappropriately addresses nations using these types of metals in warfare.

2. Requires member states to research alternatives to reduce the use of, and where technologically and economically feasible, phase out the use of toxic heavy metals and their compounds;

7. Mandates that landfills used to hold toxic heavy metals be properly lined to prevent against leaching;


The majority of governments that do not already meet these requirements are the governments that cannot afford to invest in these measures. If the international community is to expect significant results with the guidelines it sets, then it is strongly encouraged to fund their legislation.

9. Exempts the use of toxic heavy metals in military applications, so long as due care is taken to ensure safe disposal of said toxic heavy metals and/or their compounds, as covered by existing international law.

While it is well understood that the language in section 9 is deliberately vague to protect warmongering nations, the DMSE politely reminds the WA that there have been no conclusive studies that heavy metals released in warfare can be effectively removed from the environment.
As long as weapons dispersing toxic metals are produced, there are no means as to prevent rouge nations and fringe groups from acquiring them. Any legislation short of an outright ban on the production of toxic metals to be used warfare will fail to address the issue.

As representives of The Community of ISLE, we propose the following amendments:
The world assembly will provide grants for nations that apply who cannot meet the following regulations.

9. Exempts the use of toxic heavy metals in military applications, so long as due care is taken to ensure safe disposal of said toxic heavy metals and/or their compounds, as covered by existing international law 9. The production of weapons using toxic heavy metals is strictly banned. Weapons are to be removed following the guidelines outlined in the previous definitions.


Until the appropriate changes are made, The Community of ISLE rejects the Toxic Heavy Metals Act.

I am not able to use your changed wording for the following reasons:
  • Uranium, plutonium, etc. are toxic heavy metals.
  • Nukes are already legalized through our old friend NAPA.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

User avatar
Kaboomlandia
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7395
Founded: May 22, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Kaboomlandia » Fri May 20, 2016 10:26 am

Toxic Heavy Metals Act was passed 13,805 votes to 4,639.


I've been waiting for this day for over a year now - my first GA resolution passed!

Big shoutout to everyone who commented here - your feedback will be valuable if this gets repealed.
In=character, Kaboomlandia is a World Assembly member and abides by its resolutions. If this nation isn't in the WA, it's for practical reasons.
Author of GA #371 and SC #208, #214, #226, #227, #230, #232
Co-Author of SC #204
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result."
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

"Your legitimacy, Kaboom, has melted away in my eyes. I couldn't have believed that only a shadow of your once brilliant WA career remains."

User avatar
Europe and Oceania
Diplomat
 
Posts: 886
Founded: Mar 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri May 20, 2016 10:30 am

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Toxic Heavy Metals Act was passed 13,805 votes to 4,639.


I've been waiting for this day for over a year now - my first GA resolution passed!

Big shoutout to everyone who commented here - your feedback will be valuable if this gets repealed.


Congratulations comrade!
"For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either" --Blaise Pascal

"The Republican Party is not even a party anymore, it's just a group of Christian Fundamentalists and representatives for Corporate America."
--Kyle Kulinski, Host of Secular Talk


WA Delegate and Founder of New Utopian World

User avatar
Bad Libertopia
Secretary
 
Posts: 30
Founded: Apr 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bad Libertopia » Fri May 20, 2016 1:10 pm

Wallenburg wrote:OOC: "Human", as it applies to my factbooks, does not refer to Homo sapiens.

I know, it's complicated.

OOC: No, I get it, having the flexibility to the physiology and biology of your population at your whim has definite advantages.
Former WA member nation. Resigned in protest of impossible compliance requirements of GAR #369. Our former ambassador is exiled on the CastAway Island of Wilson.

User avatar
Separatist Peoples
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 16989
Founded: Feb 17, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Separatist Peoples » Fri May 20, 2016 1:35 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:
Toxic Heavy Metals Act was passed 13,805 votes to 4,639.


I've been waiting for this day for over a year now - my first GA resolution passed!

Big shoutout to everyone who commented here - your feedback will be valuable if this gets repealed.

OOC: only to be pulled down again. There are significant flaws, so pointed out by even your biggest contributors. Reign it in.

His Worshipfulness, the Most Unscrupulous, Plainly Deceitful, Dissembling, Strategicly Calculating Lord GA Secretariat, Authority on All Existence, Arbiter of Right, Toxic Globalist Dog, Dark Psychic Vampire, and Chief Populist Elitist!
Separatist Peoples should RESIGN!

User avatar
Imperium Anglorum
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 12683
Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 20, 2016 9:23 pm

Kaboomlandia wrote:I've been waiting for this day for over a year now - my first GA resolution passed!

OOC: I don't support this resolution and will gladly vote for a repeal. But I will congratulate you on passing a proposal. Well done! *bats on back*

Author: 1 SC and 56+ GA resolutions
Maintainer: GA Passed Resolutions
Developer: Communiqué and InfoEurope
GenSec (24 Dec 2021 –); posts not official unless so indicated
Delegate for Europe
Elsie Mortimer Wellesley
Ideological Bulwark 285, WALL delegate
Twice-commended toxic villainous globalist kittehs

User avatar
Europe and Oceania
Diplomat
 
Posts: 886
Founded: Mar 07, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Europe and Oceania » Fri May 20, 2016 9:37 pm

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Kaboomlandia wrote:I've been waiting for this day for over a year now - my first GA resolution passed!
*bats on back*


ISeeWhatYouDidThere. :blink:
Last edited by Europe and Oceania on Fri May 20, 2016 9:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"For after all what is man in nature? A nothing in relation to infinity, all in relation to nothing, a central point between nothing and all and infinitely far from understanding either" --Blaise Pascal

"The Republican Party is not even a party anymore, it's just a group of Christian Fundamentalists and representatives for Corporate America."
--Kyle Kulinski, Host of Secular Talk


WA Delegate and Founder of New Utopian World

User avatar
Imperium Anglorum
GA Secretariat
 
Posts: 12683
Founded: Aug 26, 2013
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Imperium Anglorum » Fri May 20, 2016 10:18 pm

Europe and Oceania wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:*bats on back*


ISeeWhatYouDidThere. :blink:

Quite.

Image

Author: 1 SC and 56+ GA resolutions
Maintainer: GA Passed Resolutions
Developer: Communiqué and InfoEurope
GenSec (24 Dec 2021 –); posts not official unless so indicated
Delegate for Europe
Elsie Mortimer Wellesley
Ideological Bulwark 285, WALL delegate
Twice-commended toxic villainous globalist kittehs

User avatar
Araraukar
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15899
Founded: May 14, 2007
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Araraukar » Sun May 22, 2016 7:23 am

OOC: Grats for passing this and sorry I missed the vote. :)
- ambassador miss Janis Leveret
Araraukar's RP reality is Modern Tech solarpunk. In IC in the WA.
Giovenith wrote:And sorry hun, if you were looking for a forum site where nobody argued, you've come to wrong one.
Apologies for absences, non-COVID health issues leave me with very little energy at times.

User avatar
CreepyCut
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 162
Founded: Feb 22, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby CreepyCut » Mon May 23, 2016 9:07 am

How nice that it passed.

\m/
-{Ash Rosekastell, founder and King of Insanity and Flowers in Asylum}-

Previous

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to WA Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads