Dawn - Progressivist vs Conservative conflict (OOC/Closed)

[Gigaverse]

This one will be different. I will combine 'story telling' and those 'chess-like warfare'; involving terrain and other realistic environments that most story teller chose to avoid. So, I hope your map reading, tactical concepts, and games theory have improved Asigna. And I do hope you will give 100% as if you are defending RL Philippines.

I wonder if Asigna will have to withdraw from real life altogether for this.

[Asigna]

This one will be different. I will combine 'story telling' and those 'chess-like warfare'; involving terrain and other realistic environments that most story teller chose to avoid. So, I hope your map reading, tactical concepts, and games theory have improved Asigna. And I do hope you will give 100% as if you are defending RL Philippines.

I wonder if Asigna will have to withdraw from real life altogether for this.

Definitely not. I'm literally being torn by schedules of RL, my RPG making and NS.

I guess i'll be fine. (The peak of my NS activity was during the Azenyanistan crisis) But that will be lowered to support my new schedule.

[Aeyariss]

Work enters into NS, Aey ?

Sort of.

Now I don't think that questioning your partner's competency is a good way to start an RP!

I think the lesson to take from this is that everyone has their specialities. Some people are better at writing believable and engaging characters. Some are better at culture-building. Some are better at creating thrilling storylines. Some are better at geographical strategy. Some are better with mechanics and statistics. Some are great at propaganda. Some are simply good at putting together good-looking and easy-to-read posts.

Oh, don't worry. I am not questioning him. He will continue to do what he is best in, and I will do the same. In fact, Asigna and I had gone a long way back during the old day when he's practically the Axis boss. He knows how I prefer to 'fight', and this, me giving my best is like me honoring those good old days. For him I will not underestimate him as a roleplayer and being former Axis himself, he deserve my 100%.

No-one is outstanding at all of these things at once, and just as we would not leap on someone for having a somewhat 2D character, an arguably flawed demographic, or a patently implausible political landscape, nor should we leap on someone for not fully understanding how underwater submarine communications work, or how a missile tracks its target.

Well Asigna did agree for a war. Besides it's only a few SACTO combatant.

This isn't a competition, because everyone will always lose some and win others. It's a combined RP that requires good faith on both sides as I'm sure you already know

I understand your point and yes I agree.

[Aeyariss]

Definitely not. I'm literally being torn by schedules of RL, my RPG making and NS.

I guess i'll be fine. (The peak of my NS activity was during the Azenyanistan crisis) But that will be lowered to support my new schedule.

Don't worry, I'll be busy in November as well, expect a crawling pace instead of 180km/h.

Hmm, come to think about it, Asigna...our RP will be a "chess" and "battleship"-esque when we do use proper maps.

[Brytene]

I understand your point and yes I agree.

Good good personally I don't know much about Asigna's theoretical understanding of military tactics or his grasp on the mechanics of an AShM, for example, but I definitely admire his world-building capabilities. It would be a shame for that world to get trashed over and over again simply because his specialities lie elsewhere and he "slipped up" whilst describing one of his tanks or something, eh!

[Zabolekhovye]

I understand your point and yes I agree.

Good good personally I don't know much about Asigna's theoretical understanding of military tactics or his grasp on the mechanics of an AShM, for example, but I definitely admire his world-building capabilities. It would be a shame for that world to get trashed over and over again simply because his specialities lie elsewhere and he "slipped up" whilst describing one of his tanks or something, eh!

I am pretty sure Asigna himself agreed - and wanted - a war RP in this style.

Thus that isn't really matter of that.

[Brytene]

Good good personally I don't know much about Asigna's theoretical understanding of military tactics or his grasp on the mechanics of an AShM, for example, but I definitely admire his world-building capabilities. It would be a shame for that world to get trashed over and over again simply because his specialities lie elsewhere and he "slipped up" whilst describing one of his tanks or something, eh!

I am pretty sure Asigna himself agreed - and wanted - a war RP in this style.

Thus that isn't really matter of that.

Sorry, just to you mean to say you think Asigna wanted a war focused mostly on technical details rather than plot?

[Asigna]

I am pretty sure Asigna himself agreed - and wanted - a war RP in this style.

Thus that isn't really matter of that.

Sorry, just to you mean to say you think Asigna wanted a war focused mostly on technical details rather than plot?

Both. It's quite a challenge but i'll do it.

[New Aeyariss]

I am pretty sure Asigna himself agreed - and wanted - a war RP in this style.

Thus that isn't really matter of that.

Sorry, just to you mean to say you think Asigna wanted a war focused mostly on technical details rather than plot?

Yes. Because ironically I trained him when we were allies . Though I won't speak on him, I am pretty sure that Asigna went through ROTC when we were away, so he has bigger chances than last time, and I also heard him mentioning Philippine air force as career choice. Again, I am not him, thus I am only stating what do I know from what he told me.

And who says that technical details exclude plot?

I am again pretty sure you are here only to complain and cause disagreements when everybody is in agreement. If you don't like war RPs, remember - you came here by yourself, and nobody in here is forced to do anything.

[Asigna]

Though I won't speak on him, I am pretty sure that Asigna went through ROTC when we were away, so he has bigger chances than last time, and I also heard him mentioning Philippine air force as career choice.

That is, if those lowly oafs in the airforce won't stop pissing me off.

[Brytene]

Yes. Because ironically I trained him when we were allies . Though I won't speak on him, I am pretty sure that Asigna went through ROTC when we were away, so he has bigger chances than last time, and I also heard him mentioning Philippine air force as career choice. Again, I am not him, thus I am only stating what do I know from what he told me.

And who says that technical details exclude plot?

I am again pretty sure you are here only to complain and cause disagreements when everybody is in agreement. If you don't like war RPs, remember - you came here by yourself, and nobody in here is forced to do anything.

yes yet again you've caught out one of my evil plans

actually it seems that what I'm saying agrees with both Aey and Asigna. All I did was remind Aey that technical skills aren't the only thing that counts, just as storytelling isn't the only thing that counts, and he agreed with what I said and so did Asigna.

[New Aeyariss]

:roll: yes yet again you've caught out one of my evil plans

actually it seems that what I'm saying agrees with both Aey and Asigna. All I did was remind Aey that technical skills aren't the only thing that counts, just as storytelling isn't the only thing that counts, and he agreed with what I said and so did Asigna.

I haven't caught any plans. I am speaking from my own experience - especially you telling me that "this kind of radar does not matter". I am just backing up Aey's point with my own experience .

his grasp on the mechanics of an AShM

Ask Asigna who helped him correct his AShM. Though it still has some flaws, if he used it now it would have been called wank by every knowledgeable person.

[Asigna]

Ask Asigna who helped him correct his AShM. Though it still has some flaws, if he used it now it would have been called wank by every knowledgeable person.

It's not an AShM, it's a cruise missile. Depending on the tech level of the rp it may be streamline hypersonic scramjet or supersonic stealth ramjet.

[Singaporean Transhumans]

Ask Asigna who helped him correct his AShM. Though it still has some flaws, if he used it now it would have been called wank by every knowledgeable person.

It's not an AShM, it's a cruise missile. Depending on the tech level of the rp it may be streamline hypersonic scramjet or supersonic stealth ramjet.

just not a buzzard ramjet

lol

[Brytene]

I haven't caught any plans. I am speaking from my own experience - especially you telling me that "this kind of radar does not matter". I am just backing up Aey's point with my own experience .

There was no disagreement between Aey and myself, as far as I'm aware...we both value every aspect of RPing, from technical detail through to storytelling


Also let's not drag up past stuff shall we?

[New Aeyariss]

I haven't caught any plans. I am speaking from my own experience - especially you telling me that "this kind of radar does not matter". I am just backing up Aey's point with my own experience .

There was no disagreement between Aey and myself, as far as I'm aware...we both value every aspect of RPing, from technical detail through to storytelling


Also let's not drag up past stuff shall we?

That remains to be proven. I still am willing to give you a chance .


It is still Aey who will have biggest fun from this RP...

[Brytene]

That remains to be proven. I still am willing to give you a chance .


It is still Aey who will have biggest fun from this RP...

Okay, well just let's all remember that everyone is here to learn and have fun, and no-one is perfect. I know I'm not a technical expert myself, since my skills lie elsewhere, and I remember even you forgetting how submarine communications worked

I'm sure everyone can have some fun from this experience if we come with an open mind.

On a similar note, I have already earmarked a few assets and characters who might be sacrificed if the RP goes a certain way, but they have to survive a different RP first. I want the House Canillac to gain in strength at the same time as the socialist party, but we'll see how everything goes.

[New Aeyariss]

Okay, well just let's all remember that everyone is here to learn and have fun, and no-one is perfect. I know I'm not a technical expert myself, since my skills lie elsewhere, and I remember even you forgetting how submarine communications worked

I'm sure everyone can have some fun from this experience if we come with an open mind.

On a similar note, I have already earmarked a few assets and characters who might be sacrificed if the RP goes a certain way, but they have to survive a different RP first. I want the House Canillac to gain in strength at the same time as the socialist party, but we'll see how everything goes.

Yeah, I do admit I did because there is reason why "connectors" as we call them here have their own specialized courses. If everybody specialized in everything we would not have specialized units.

TBH majority of the stuff is easy to figure out.

[Brytene]

Yeah, I do admit I did because there is reason why "connectors" as we call them here have their own specialized courses. If everybody specialized in everything we would not have specialized units.

TBH majority of the stuff is easy to figure out.

Well some stuff is certainly easier to understand than others, but generally if you need to have a specialist for something, that means it's not easy to pick up. You'd describe ELINT staff as a specialist but you wouldn't call a paper-delivery boy a 'specialist' eh!

But as you say, no-one can know absolutely everything and even the best of us make mistakes, so I think we are all agreed not to leap on anyone and instantly claim "victory" whenever they make a mistake!

[New Aeyariss]

Well some stuff is certainly easier to understand than others, but generally if you need to have a specialist for something, that means it's not easy to pick up. You'd describe ELINT staff as a specialist but you wouldn't call a paper-delivery boy a 'specialist' eh!

But as you say, no-one can know absolutely everything and even the best of us make mistakes, so I think we are all agreed not to leap on anyone and instantly claim "victory" whenever they make a mistake!

Well I do have people who specialize in that .

But TBH, issue is rather when we can claim victory or when we can not, since everybody states an intent, and backs it up with facts. In such case we describe our PoV.

[Whiteshore]

Do the leadership of both sides believe their own propaganda.

[Victoriala]

Do the leadership of both sides believe their own propaganda.

Depends on who you ask.

[Brytene]

Well I do have people who specialize in that .

But TBH, issue is rather when we can claim victory or when we can not, since everybody states an intent, and backs it up with facts. In such case we describe our PoV.

Paper delivery? (jk)

Well that's all well and good, but for example how do you determine wind-speed, or any of the random environmental factors? How do you prove or disprove less tangible facts, such as morale, politics, culture, or economics, which are impossible to know with certainty but are almost always more important factors in war than 'how fast a missile flies'? How do simple NS players settle disputes that even professional generals, analysts, and strategists can't settle?

Setting your viewpoint out is one thing, but understanding the other person's is quite another, and 'claiming' victory is something you simply cannot do on a platform like this - claiming victory is for real wars, or videogames with indisputable outcomes. Here, you are gifted victory by your RP partners, if they choose!

Do the leadership of both sides believe their own propaganda.

That's for the RP to reveal

[New Aeyariss]

Well that's all well and good, but for example how do you determine wind-speed, or any of the random environmental factors? How do you prove or disprove less tangible facts, such as morale, politics, culture, or economics, which are impossible to know with certainty but are almost always more important factors in war than 'how fast a missile flies'? How do simple NS players settle disputes that even professional generals, analysts, and strategists can't settle?

Setting your viewpoint out is one thing, but understanding the other person's is quite another, and 'claiming' victory is something you simply cannot do on a platform like this - claiming victory is for real wars, or videogames with indisputable outcomes. Here, you are gifted victory by your RP partners, if they choose!

You are speaking of strategic level concerns, while how missile flies is a tactical concern, maybe operational if we consider issues of naval warfare in regards to range and size of individual ship.


The issues you mentioned are of concern to any commander, and you are right in there - there is a reason why my next post will be description of major intelligence gathering operation to asses overall capabilities of Asigna. However, when we take this into consideration, we would realize that while those things decide victory on strategic scale, how missile flies decides of success of TACTICAL scale - deciding thus the result of individual strike, attack, engagement or whatever other form of combat is employed. This can have also profound implications for operational scale (scale regarding individual battle), considering that single missile reaching a carrier may neutralize entire operation.

I am considering this war RP very similar thing to real war, and I am going to carry it out my way, and so does Aey (who also has RL wise interest in that). I am not going to claim victory, but I am going to openly say my opinion on weather said ship (If we are using this as an example) has chances of surviving. You have every right to disagree with it, and that is why we have OOC threads. I am eager to reach consensus, after all.

Environmental factors are from my knowledge usually determined by person whose nation it is.

Ironically, it is Asigna who holds several strategic advantages in here - especially considering geography of South - Eastern Asia, his population, which, even though demoralized, still hates SACTO or the fact that for me to attack him my naval operational groupings would have to pass not only through his navy, but also through his land - based systems. Even for me this war RP rises several operational concerns.


And pay attention; Aeyariss here is an officer IRL. We aren't speaking about stuff we do not know IRL - wise, and none of us are guys who won't help those with lower knowledge if they ask us. I helped Asigna assemble gear list, I voiced him concerns for his missile design - I want to have fun here. But I am pretty sure, with my past RP experiences with Asigna, that his knowledge about military topics while not perfect is certainly above level of majority of what you see on II.

Let us have fun, simply .

[The United Remnants of America]

Knock-knock.

Is this for definitely closed?

I just saw the link, and...