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UK Politics Thread II: Gladstone's Revenge

Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:52 am

What does the election of Corbyn mean to the future of the Labour Party?

Does Stormont have a future?

Does David Cameron really decide on the timing of policy announcements based on Samantha's love of Radio 6 Music?

Why does the SNP keep electing leaders whose surnames remind us of fish?

Is Leanne Wood's Welsh improving?

Is the last hope of the Liberal Democrats to disinter William Gladstone, raise him from the dead, and have him denounce Ottoman atrocities in Bulgaria?

Do you farage in public, or do you only think it's appropriate to farage in private?

Is the Green Party deciduous?

These and other leading questions of the day will no doubt engage debate here in the second version of the UK politics megathread.
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Postby Pesda » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:53 am

I suspect Labour will surge over the next few weeks.
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Postby Val Halla » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:53 am

Why are wealthy cities so often not blue?
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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:54 am

You gave me quite a shock on that last thread, Arch; first time I post on a UK politics thread in months and a mod lock moments later :P

We really should resurrect Gladstone, and make him a real eternal leader.
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Postby St Wilhelm » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:55 am

Val Halla wrote:Why are wealthy cities so often not blue?

Hey, Bath and Salisbury, two of the nicest cities in the country are both Conservative.

But, sadly, it's typical that in not just Britain, but most of the western world, that left leaning parties do better in urban areas.

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Postby Pesda » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:56 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Is Leanne Williams' Welsh improving?

The real question is, has she married Hywel Williams?
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Postby St Wilhelm » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:56 am

Imperial Valaran wrote:You gave me quite a shock on that last thread, Arch; first time I post on a UK politics thread in months and a mod lock moments later :P

We really should resurrect Gladstone, and make him a real eternal leader.

If we're resurrecting Gladstone, I move to simultaneously resurrect Disraeli too.

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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:57 am

St Wilhelm wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Why are wealthy cities so often not blue?

Hey, Bath and Salisbury, two of the nicest cities in the country are both Conservative.

But, sadly, it's typical that in not just Britain, but most of the western world, that left leaning parties do better in urban areas.



And that would generally be in poor or rich urban areas (though there is a possible tendency for the left to do better in poorer ones than richer ones).
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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:57 am

St Wilhelm wrote:
Imperial Valaran wrote:You gave me quite a shock on that last thread, Arch; first time I post on a UK politics thread in months and a mod lock moments later :P

We really should resurrect Gladstone, and make him a real eternal leader.

If we're resurrecting Gladstone, I move to simultaneously resurrect Disraeli too.



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Postby Apollinis » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:58 am

To answer the OP's questions, in order:
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- God knows, but I wouldn't put it past him
- To show support for the brave fishermen and fisherwomen of Scotland, maybe, probably
- Pwy a wyr?
- Definitely
- It's a citizen's choice whether or not they Farage, but to do so they must be over 18 years of age, must not do so in enclosed spaces such as pubs (the horror) or shops and should not do so around children.
- It's actually one enormous moss. Treenormative ideas of "evergreen" and "deciduous" don't apply.
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Postby Val Halla » Sat Sep 12, 2015 5:59 am

Imperial Valaran wrote:
St Wilhelm wrote:Hey, Bath and Salisbury, two of the nicest cities in the country are both Conservative.

But, sadly, it's typical that in not just Britain, but most of the western world, that left leaning parties do better in urban areas.



And that would generally be in poor or rich urban areas (though there is a possible tendency for the left to do better in poorer ones than richer ones).

York is Labour, that's wealthy, right?

Pretty sure Lincoln is Tory though.
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Postby St Wilhelm » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:00 am

So, Jeremy Corbyn will be sharing out his responsibilities at PMQ's to other MPs - https://twitter.com/Gregstweet/status/6 ... wsrc%5Etfw

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:00 am

Val Halla wrote:Why are wealthy cities so often not blue?

Because no matter how "wealthy" a city is, it will be filled with low and middle income families and persons who will vastly outnumber the wealthy.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:01 am

Pesda wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:
Is Leanne Williams' Welsh improving?

The real question is, has she married Hywel Williams?


Gack; sorry about that - will go and change the OP. :oops:

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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:01 am

Val Halla wrote:
Imperial Valaran wrote:

And that would generally be in poor or rich urban areas (though there is a possible tendency for the left to do better in poorer ones than richer ones).

York is Labour, that's wealthy, right?

Pretty sure Lincoln is Tory though.


I would suggest doing it by looking at all the urban areas, rather than extrapolating from individual examples.

But a brief glance at a map of the 2015 seats shows a lot of red pinpricks where there are towns and cities.
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Imperializt Russia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Why are wealthy cities so often not blue?

Because no matter how "wealthy" a city is, it will be filled with low and middle income families and persons who will vastly outnumber the wealthy.

How do poorer towns become Tory then?
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Postby Pesda » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:03 am

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Gack; sorry about that - will go and change the OP. :oops:

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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:03 am

St Wilhelm wrote:So, Jeremy Corbyn will be sharing out his responsibilities at PMQ's to other MPs - https://twitter.com/Gregstweet/status/6 ... wsrc%5Etfw



huh.

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Because no matter how "wealthy" a city is, it will be filled with low and middle income families and persons who will vastly outnumber the wealthy.

How do poorer towns become Tory then?


It is a missconception to assume all lower income people vote Labour/left wing, and that all higher income folks do the opposite. The parties do make periodic appeals to various parts of the spectrum, and people vote on other factors than wealth.

After all, 'one nation'ism was invented by Disraeli (who admittedly was an exception and so on, but even so).
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Postby Dyrrachium » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:03 am

St Wilhelm wrote:So, Jeremy Corbyn will be sharing out his responsibilities at PMQ's to other MPs - https://twitter.com/Gregstweet/status/6 ... wsrc%5Etfw

Good, more people to question and hound the Forehead.

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Imperial Valaran wrote:
St Wilhelm wrote:So, Jeremy Corbyn will be sharing out his responsibilities at PMQ's to other MPs - https://twitter.com/Gregstweet/status/6 ... wsrc%5Etfw



huh.

Val Halla wrote:How do poorer towns become Tory then?


It is a missconception to assume all lower income people vote Labour/left wing, and that all higher income folks do the opposite. The parties do make periodic appeals to various parts of the spectrum, and people vote on other factors than wealth.

After all, 'one nation'ism was invented by Disraeli (who admittedly was an exception and so on, but even so).

Also John Major famously had a working class background.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:06 am

Val Halla wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Because no matter how "wealthy" a city is, it will be filled with low and middle income families and persons who will vastly outnumber the wealthy.

How do poorer towns become Tory then?

Rural connections and ageing, low-migrant populations, probably.
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Postby Dyrrachium » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:06 am

More generally for british politics, I like how it's... relaxed and friendly. Supporters of any party joke with each other and continue to function together, whereas if you look in the American thread it seems like a dysfunctional family tearing itself apart.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:07 am

St Wilhelm wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Why are wealthy cities so often not blue?

Hey, Bath and Salisbury, two of the nicest cities in the country are both Conservative.

But, sadly, it's typical that in not just Britain, but most of the western world, that left leaning parties do better in urban areas.


Though Bath was a fairly solid LibDem seat from 1992-2015. Several of the wealthier small urban centres in England (specifically) developed a tradition of voting LibDem in the last two decades; Cheltenham and Harrogate are other examples.

Salisbury, however, has been solidly Tory since the 1920s; Hugh Lawrence Fletcher Moulton (Liberal), was the last non-Tory to win the seat, in the 1923 election.

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Postby Val Halla » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:09 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:How do poorer towns become Tory then?

Rural connections and ageing, low-migrant populations, probably.

Fair enough.

Dyrrachium wrote:More generally for british politics, I like how it's... relaxed and friendly. Supporters of any party joke with each other and continue to function together, whereas if you look in the American thread it seems like a dysfunctional family tearing itself apart.

It's a Britain thing :D
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Postby Imperial Valaran » Sat Sep 12, 2015 6:10 am

Dyrrachium wrote:More generally for british politics, I like how it's... relaxed and friendly. Supporters of any party joke with each other and continue to function together, whereas if you look in the American thread it seems like a dysfunctional family tearing itself apart.



I used to think so, but there is a fair amount of venom and toxicity present here. I think its primarily seen as friendly when in comparison to the US, rather than by itself.

Though yes, and I'd also add that the main parties are closer here in policy than in the US.
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