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[Draft] Liberate The Black Riders

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Postby Naginii » Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:39 pm

Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:
Ayvari wrote:And your solution is to use some of the faultiest, ill-imagined, fallible propaganda ever utilized to try and reclaim a trophy that just makes anti-raider types look like hypocrites?

I don't see how this is propaganda when every word of it is the truth.


Every word of it is hyberbole pretending to be fact. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, not your own set of facts.

The US House of Representatives recently held the 61st vote to strike-down Obamacare, a law that has allowed more US citizens than ever before to have insurance. That said, because Republicans universally loathe it, they keep trying to kill it knowing that they'll never be able to because they will never have the votes. It's all political and pointlessly symbolic.

Same with going after TBR again, and again, and again.

All the internal monologues, sub-narratives and intrigue as to whom owes what, or did what, to whom aside, this is just trying to undo a defender loss on the gamemap. There's nothing moral about it: they raided a founderless raider-held region, turfed the natives, and then lost it. Now, they want a chance to get it back, and need a lib to do it.

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Postby Kziltaezkewoonh » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:04 pm

Oh my God, I had completely forgotten about this... good times... Not as fun as Commend The Black Riders, but more successful than my original Liberate The Black Riders. This draft did it's purpose smothering that other guy's Liberation attempt though, so I can't complain. ;)
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Postby The Silver Sentinel » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:33 pm

So lets recap?

Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:First time writing a resolution, any comments?


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:I know exactly what happened to them, and yes, I am happy that they were defeated, as should everyone who knows what they did.


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:I am not a raider, nor am I going to be. I'm just willing to do what no "defender" is willing to do themselfs.


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:Defenders shouldn't exist, because Raiders shouldn't exist, making your argument invalid.


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:Raiding isn't immoral only on the internet. It is immoral. Period.


And so on, and so on. So you have pretty much managed to destroy any credibility you ever had. Good work. Pretty much any argument you had against my liberation attempt has been blown right out of the water here. Good job NSA. Makes things a lot easier for me when you destroy yourself instead.
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Postby We Are Not The ATF » Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:55 pm

The Silver Sentinel wrote:So lets recap?

Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:First time writing a resolution, any comments?


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:I know exactly what happened to them, and yes, I am happy that they were defeated, as should everyone who knows what they did.


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:I am not a raider, nor am I going to be. I'm just willing to do what no "defender" is willing to do themselfs.


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:Defenders shouldn't exist, because Raiders shouldn't exist, making your argument invalid.


Kziltaezkewoonh wrote:Raiding isn't immoral only on the internet. It is immoral. Period.


And so on, and so on. So you have pretty much managed to destroy any credibility you ever had. Good work. Pretty much any argument you had against my liberation attempt has been blown right out of the water here. Good job NSA. Makes things a lot easier for me when you destroy yourself instead.

Disclaimer: posted from mobile.

I... I can't tell if you're being satirical or if you actually believe that is a good arguement. I was literally spouting all of the cliché 'nativisms' that I could think of to keep up appearances. I guess you're going to claim a Cold War era American spy telling a soviet official that capitalism is bad invalidates their actual opinion of capitalism? I. Was. Acting. It's kind of my thing, if ya haven't noticed. :rofl:

EDIT: It now occurs to me that you may not have been in a clear mindset when formulating your response, and I'm sorry for the sarcasm. I imagine it must be upsetting to you seeing somebody else succeed in hiding their identity, and I did not mean to offend you.

EDIT 2: Also, just to clarify, when I said "the other guy" I wasn't talking about you.
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:31 pm

You understand that this was our attempt to clog up the queue and control the longer-standing Lib. resolution at a critical time (someone less necessary after you submitted without review, though it still kept the other draft floating around in second), under a disguise, yes?

Not the first time, won't be the last. I cover all my bases :P
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Postby CITY18 » Fri Oct 09, 2015 7:30 am

Fully Against. Just let the TBR die.
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Postby Povinksi » Fri Oct 09, 2015 4:43 pm

Knot wrote:Let's play "guess the author".

Tell me Knot, has Harenhime attempted these pathetic grabs at power before?
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Postby We Are Not the NSA » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:31 pm

Povinksi wrote:
Knot wrote:Let's play "guess the author".

Tell me Knot, has Harenhime attempted these pathetic grabs at power before?

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Postby Ayvari » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:35 pm

Povinksi wrote:
Knot wrote:Let's play "guess the author".

Tell me Knot, has Harenhime attempted these pathetic grabs at power before?

I think Knot. :p
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Postby Povinksi » Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:47 pm

We Are Not the NSA wrote:
Povinksi wrote:Tell me Knot, has Harenhime attempted these pathetic grabs at power before?

Harenhime or Ever-Wandering Souls?

Are they one and the same? Or has EWS also attempted to take over?
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Postby Ayvari » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:01 pm

Povinksi wrote:
We Are Not the NSA wrote:Harenhime or Ever-Wandering Souls?

Are they one and the same? Or has EWS also attempted to take over?

I...what exactly do you mean by "take over?"
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Postby Povinksi » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:04 pm

Ayvari wrote:
Povinksi wrote:Are they one and the same? Or has EWS also attempted to take over?

I...what exactly do you mean by "take over?"

Well, quite simply put, Harenhime attempts to become the new leader of TBH.
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Postby Ayvari » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:23 pm

Povinksi wrote:
Ayvari wrote:I...what exactly do you mean by "take over?"

Well, quite simply put, Harenhime attempts to become the new leader of TBH.

Why would he do that? :P He's already on the Council, and TBH isn't controlled by one person. Furthermore, I have a feeling Red Back would have some issues with such a plan.
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Postby Povinksi » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:46 pm

Ayvari wrote:
Povinksi wrote:Well, quite simply put, Harenhime attempts to become the new leader of TBH.

Why would he do that? :P He's already on the Council, and TBH isn't controlled by one person. Furthermore, I have a feeling Red Back would have some issues with such a plan.

Perhaps. I just don't see a real point in liberating the black riders.
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Postby Ayvari » Fri Oct 09, 2015 6:54 pm

Povinksi wrote:
Ayvari wrote:Why would he do that? :P He's already on the Council, and TBH isn't controlled by one person. Furthermore, I have a feeling Red Back would have some issues with such a plan.

Perhaps. I just don't see a real point in liberating the black riders.

They didn't want to Liberate it. They wanted to clog up the queue to stop people from Liberating it.
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